[PonchoKid]

(Original post by -Invidious-)
Jealousy obviously and rightly so.

My boarding days were some of the best of my life.

my comp days were the best days of my life...

jealousy doesnt come into it. i know that my local private wouldnt have been able to cope with me, so i wouldnt have got anywhere in life if id have gone, so i certainly aint jealous of you

[Xyls]

(Original post by chronic_fatigue)
Where did I say I thought 99% are like that? Why would the see me as selfish? I did stress I would have to generalise because I haven't met all of them. Everybody on this thread is going to base their opinions on what they have seen. I have friends who went to private school but I was talking about some of the ones I have met who went to the more famous ones because have a lot more money than those from other private schools.

No, You misunderstood - I didn't mean you said 99% are like that, I mean 99% of the times you think something about someone or a group of people they will have an opinion about you, So when you said well I thought these people were like X X and Y, they are probably thinking Z Z and B back at you.

And Jealously and selfishness go hand in hand, especially when it comes to this sort of debate - As people don't want people to experience something they can't, which is selfish.

[BIGWARREN]

I bet the OP actually does have a horse.

[IB_19]

Agreed OP, it's pathetic. It's not even as though I go to a private school, I'm at a good state school. Those comments stereotyping private school students are ridiculous and it implies one word, jealousy. Parents should have the choice if they want their children to go to a certain school. If anyone said everyone who lives in a council house are chavs, that wouldn't go down too well, so it shouldn't work the other way either.

[la galloise]

(Original post by -Invidious-)
Jealousy obviously and rightly so.

My boarding days were some of the best of my life.

I attend a state school and I would say exactly the same thing. I wouldn't exchange the education I've received for the world! However most of the people I know, including myself, have a negative opinion of private schools not out of jealousy, but because privately educated students are obviously educated to a better standard, therefore make us feel inferior intellectually. Feeling insecure leads to insult. Being Welsh I can understand the suspicion attached to private schools, especially english ones, as as a nation (generally; this isn't my personal opinion!) we are very suspicious of the english. It could be a regional matter as well as one of class, which can be backed up by something a student said at an Oxford open day- "I wasn't expecting to hear any regional accents today". I don't personally have anything against people who have attended a private school, I try to judge people by their actions and behaviour rather than their education.

[Jabberwox]

I know someone who went to a private school and he isn't the least bit stuck up. Sure, some people think they're a cut above others just because they were privately educated, but not everyone is that way inclined. It depends on the individual really, and also how judgmental people are.

I went to a school in a town notorious for 'chavvyness' and I had someone once very rudely say to me that I wasn't actually 'clever', I only did well because I was in a school with a load of 'chavs' and I was 'comparatively clever'. It's that sort of snobbery which I really despise. It largely depends on you and if you really want to make a go of things and do well in your schoolwork.

[Ponderous]

I went to state school - it was fantastic I wouldn't change it for the world.
I think I have more of an issue with single sex rather than just private, but that's not the point.

Private school emotes such a responce because our society (e.g. the government) tells us that to be successful you have to spend thousands on your education. Through the media (hollywood) it appears that people in private schools have connections, don't need to try and are generally posh *****.
The comments I usually hear are about the government, how can someone who went to Eton and never worked a day in his life until entering politcs make decisions forand about the people who had to get jobs during their education. (working just being an example)

I have a lot of friends at private schools, St Pauls, Godolphin, UCS etc. I'm still very good friends with them.
There are just some differences that can bring on dislike for example I've been working since I was 11 (paper round everymorning, then shop works now as a weekend carer) because I needed the money, my friends never needed to.
I'm generally much less stressed than they are though - private schools seem to convince the students that no matter how hard the work they are in danger of iminent failure - I'm not sure if I agree with that teaching style...

There is also a percieved 'we're better than you' from some private school kids, that's annoying.

[~carly~]

I did my college dissertation on class and how it effects society and when i looked into it all, its so shocking...our government has mostly 'oxbridge' educated ministers. Not necessarily my view but they tend to get better jobs....go on youtube and search The Up Series, it shows a group of kids every 7 years in their life, think this year they are on their 56th year.

I love the class debate im a geek in that department...but no other haha

[Octohedral]

(Original post by BIGWARREN)
I bet the OP actually does have a horse.

No, the OP doesn't. That she is aware of, anyway.

[Octohedral]

(Original post by ~carly~)
I did my college dissertation on class and how it effects society and when i looked into it all, its so shocking...our government has mostly 'oxbridge' educated ministers. Not necessarily my view but they tend to get better jobs....go on youtube and search The Up Series, it shows a group of kids every 7 years in their life, think this year they are on their 56th year.

I love the class debate im a geek in that department...but no other haha

Really? So you'll know the actual facts.

I don't know much except my own experience of it, which is why I'm getting other peoples' opinions. I entirely agree that most of our ministers seem to be from Oxbridge. On the other hand, a lot of people from Oxbridge are now from state schools, and 'knowing people' no longer works, so arguably why shouldn't seemingly academic people run the country? There's also probably a generational backlog that our government will 'grow out of' in a few years.

Or maybe that's a delusion, I don't know. Do you have any interesting links?

Thanks for the reply

[paniking_and_not_revising]

I don't hate private schools or people who went there. I actually feel that they're lucky. I would do anything to be able to go back a few years and go to a private school.

My high school was awful. We'd finish at 2.30 every day (teachers would cheat and let us out 10 minutes early) without any homework and not much word done during school. I underperformed in GCSEs. The only thing the school cared about was sports (stupid sports specialist college my ****ing arse). I was threatened with being moved down from top set in Science after complaining about a teacher who actually refused to teach us. I wasn't allowed to take the GCSEs I wanted. My experience was miserably and I learnt no life and social skills. I was bullied and nothing was done.

I did meet some awesome people though.

Overall, the people I've met from private schools aren't snobbish but I do admit I'm jealous of them.

[IRSP044]

No war But, Class War!

Na but seriously Its not the kids fault that they are sent to private schools or whatever. Its the parents. If the person goes on to be a honest working class person then they're okay. If not then they are the enemy.

[Mr_Platini]

(Original post by la galloise)
I attend a state school and I would say exactly the same thing. I wouldn't exchange the education I've received for the world! However most of the people I know, including myself, have a negative opinion of private schools not out of jealousy, but because privately educated students are obviously educated to a better standard, therefore make us feel inferior intellectually. Feeling insecure leads to insult. Being Welsh I can understand the suspicion attached to private schools, especially english ones, as as a nation (generally; this isn't my personal opinion!) we are very suspicious of the english. It could be a regional matter as well as one of class, which can be backed up by something a student said at an Oxford open day- "I wasn't expecting to hear any regional accents today". I don't personally have anything against people who have attended a private school, I try to judge people by their actions and behaviour rather than their education.

Yes but that's just an inferiority complex showing through again. The Scots have exactly the same problem with the english.

[~carly~]

(Original post by Octohedral)
Really? So you'll know the actual facts.

I don't know much except my own experience of it, which is why I'm getting other peoples' opinions. I entirely agree that most of our ministers seem to be from Oxbridge. On the other hand, a lot of people from Oxbridge are now from state schools, and 'knowing people' no longer works, so arguably why shouldn't seemingly academic people run the country? There's also probably a generational backlog that our government will 'grow out of' in a few years.

Or maybe that's a delusion, I don't know. Do you have any interesting links?

Thanks for the reply

Definitely, check out the up series though, its brilliant...especially john andrew and charles! I am a complete geek when it comes to class and education. Im training to be a careers advisor at the moment so that we can get those that never thought they would be good enough, or have the money to study further.

In a way i wasnt 'supposed' to go college let alone university...the class/education debate says that most people follow what their parents did or those that are around them. I certainly didnt, no disrespect to my parents who have worked they're whole lives but i wanted to do more. My dad is in the agricultural engineering business and has worked 30+ years in a low pay job and my mum is now holding down two jobs one as a cleaner and one delivering medications for the local doctors surgery. It made me see how they struggled and made me determined to get a good pay job so that i wont have to worry about money, if we could get more young people thinking of this rather than the easy options the country might have less unemployed youths.


Wow im sorry for that long message/rant! Told you i was a geek when it comes to this!

[xconfetti]

I think that whether you're talking about whether someone is privately educated or not, whether someone is unemployed or has a top job in investment, whether someone is homeless or lives in a 10-bedroomed mansion - it all comes down to one thing, that as humans, we tend to automatically judge people on what we see or the one fact we know about them. I'm not saying that this is right, at all, but we are human - often we can't help it.

I went to a private school, but my school was definitely closer in a lot of aspects to many state schools that my friends went to than some of the top private schools.. certainly academically we had way worse results than many state schools. Within the categories "private", "grammar" and "comprehensive" there are so many different levels, so although we do initially assume someone is a particular way because they went to X school, it's important to remember that it's not the category that actually matters, it's the individual school... and even then, you can't judge someone on which school they went to! If we could, then people who went to the same school would all be the same, which obviously isn't the case. There may be similar traits, interests or behaviours in people who went to the same school, but that's just the surface.

Just my opinion

[itsabreeze]

(Original post by tootles1)
private school students generally have a confidence which can sometimes come across as arrogance.

Isn't this exactly what parents pay for? Generalising, given either two state educated people, or two privately educated, or one of each, it will be the more confident that succeeds better in life. That privately educated students have confidence leads to stereotyping and, indeed, can lead to an inferiority feeling in state educated students, which manifests itself in the OP's 'private school hate'.

[goodmorningworld]

I am jealous of people who go to private schools to some extent, but I am also jealous of those who go to the local independent school (free, extremely hard to get into, but probably up to the standard of private schools; run by charitable foundations). I arrived in this town six months too late to apply; but I don't begrudge people that choice. I feel that there might be fairer ways to decide education, but nonetheless it is the system we have - I wouldn't hate on people who go to private schools, perhaps on the system that made them required though.

[Barden]

I went to state grammar... just because I speak properly I get called 'posh' all the time at uni

[goodmorningworld]

Properly? ;D
I can speak like that if I have to, but normally I have such a broad accent you might not be able to understand me. I also talk way too fast.
I am at a state comphrehensive.

[Aequat omnes cinis]

I went to a private school and my sister has a horse. Can I be a toff now?! Vast majority of private school students are nothing like aristocrats, the majority are middle class. I suppose some of the people I went to school with were what would be classed in contemporary parlance 'rich', but rich (ie. Parents at least millionaires) were fewer than the rest


Seriously op, if you make a thread like this, you have to name your school.