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    Let me tell you a little thing about England. You go south of, say, Derbyshire, and you'll have an extremely hard time finding a non-Conservative constituency out of London. Labour are quite literally in the single digits when it comes to the South of England, they are very much geared into centre-right thought. A horrible left-wing mess of a party would get decimated in this country, and quite rightly so.
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    He should hold the referendum in England - that way he might get a Yes.
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    (Original post by Jarred)
    Let me tell you a little thing about England. You go south of, say, Derbyshire, and you'll have an extremely hard time finding a non-Conservative constituency out of London. Labour are quite literally in the single digits when it comes to the South of England, they are very much geared into centre-right thought. A horrible left-wing mess of a party would get decimated in this country, and quite rightly so.
    You mean apart from in Birmingham & the Black Country, Coventry, Leicester, Luton, Oxford, Cambridge, Norfolk, Colchester, most of South Wales, a large part of the South West (including Exeter, Bath, Bristol, Frome & Torbay) and then Southampton, Portsmouth, Lewes, Eastbourne and Brighton?

    I had an extremely hard time finding those via http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...tical-map.html
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    (Original post by maturestudy)
    You mean apart from in Birmingham & the Black Country, Coventry, Leicester, Luton, Oxford, Cambridge, Norfolk, Colchester, most of South Wales, a large part of the South West (including Exeter, Bath, Bristol, Frome & Torbay) and then Southampton, Portsmouth, Lewes, Eastbourne and Brighton?

    I had an extremely hard time finding those via http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...tical-map.html
    Well to start with; South Wales is not in England. And I should've have chosen the Midlands in general to look South of rather than Derbyshire.

    I am well aware of the LD representation in the South West, should've made myself clearer in my first post, but it is still only a few seats, the constituencies just happen to be very large making it seem like they have a big chunk of the constituency count down there. But really, the fact of the matter is that the amount of non-Conservative seats is pitiful in the South when you exclude London. The Conservatives have near complete domination down there.

    The South of England is nearly all Tory, with the odd Labour seat and a few LD seats dotted around. It is safe to say that they aren't particularly left-wing, the Liberal Democrats aren't exactly a socialist party. Basically, what the OP is suggesting would get nowhere down there. If the South wanted socialism, they'd vote Labour (I know Labour isn't particularly socialist, but they are moreso than the Liberal Democrats). The fact Labour has such pitiful representation outside of London suggests that an even more socialist party would bomb out down there.
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    looooll OP, the SNP use the term progressive as a positive label for their view of scotland, aswell as social democratic. They are a left wing party, but not a 'proper' left wing party, they have some economic policies here and there that are left wing, but are very authoritarian and still largely capitalistic, or state capitalist. A 'proper' left wing party would be the socialist and communist parties.

    And if England was independent, or even just Scotland gaining independence and we still have Wales and N.Ireland, we would have a Tory majority, most people are economically center-right and socially authoritarian (mild). You do realise that if scotland goes, and wales (especially wales) Labour would be well and truly fooked, the Tory's would have an over-whealming majority, even if only Scotland went, Labour would still diminish to the point where the Tory's get a majority.

    And even in the stereo-typical Labour areas, Northern Counties (FTW), the attitude that we are all labourites and the tory's are scum is not true, take a look at gallop polls and you will see a lot of the north is blue, and was in the election.

    Sort out your world view, maybe on TSR or in colleges and University's people like to think of themselves as left wing (in most cases as a pompous fashion label, which goes along with the whole holier than thou, Im better, Im smarter, self-gratifying attitude), but not the population.

    And even then, I'm sick of people thinking Labour are a left wing party and that therefore makes that person better.

    Labour are centrist or center-right.

    They are essentially the same as the tories on most economic things, well, new-labour.

    And the Lib dems more so rightwards, their economic policies are closer to the tories (even before the coalition) that people think, they are actually more rightward on monetary issues.
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    For everyone saying Tories dominate England....do they?

    Look at the amount of people who actually voted Tory last election. Only 36% of the whole of the United Kingdom voted Tory. Even if we assume for some reason that every single Tory vote came from England, that's still not even close to a majority of English voters.
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    (Original post by Quady)
    Its racist when the policy differs depending on your country of origin.

    If all criminals were to be deported then it wouldn't be.
    To where, pray tell, would we deport british born criminals? :rolleyes:
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    A proper left wing party at the moment would fail terribly. It would increase spending at a time where cuts are needed
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    (Original post by alxbutler)
    Left wing parties do not win elections in England - Labour in the 1980's a prime example of that.
    I would tend to agree with you. *nods*

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    (Original post by Sdiff)
    To where, pray tell, would we deport british born criminals? :rolleyes:
    Well the uk has...
    The Pitcairns?
    Antarctica (our sector)?
    The Falklands?


    Or we could pay the Russians to let us put them in Siberia or dump them in the amazon/sahara/ect
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    (Original post by Maddog Jones)
    Oh look, citing two policies and claiming it makes Labour left wing :rolleyes: I think it's you who has 'no clue' what he's on about :rofl2:

    And polls show Scotland cares less about immigration than the English.
    That's because 2% of Scotland is non-white, compared to 15% in England. I live in Scotland, ethnic minorities are still a novelty - even in Glasgow and Edinburgh where less than 5% of the population are ethnic minorities (compared to like 44% in places like Birmingham), we are the least diverse country in Western Europe - why would the electorate care about immigration when we don't actually get any immigrants? Scots would care about immigrants, more than the English in my opinion, you only have to look at the way that sectarianism stemming from Irish immigration is still a big deal.
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    (Original post by Jarred)
    Well to start with; South Wales is not in England. And I should've have chosen the Midlands in general to look South of rather than Derbyshire.

    I am well aware of the LD representation in the South West, should've made myself clearer in my first post, but it is still only a few seats, the constituencies just happen to be very large making it seem like they have a big chunk of the constituency count down there. But really, the fact of the matter is that the amount of non-Conservative seats is pitiful in the South when you exclude London. The Conservatives have near complete domination down there.

    The South of England is nearly all Tory, with the odd Labour seat and a few LD seats dotted around. It is safe to say that they aren't particularly left-wing, the Liberal Democrats aren't exactly a socialist party. Basically, what the OP is suggesting would get nowhere down there. If the South wanted socialism, they'd vote Labour (I know Labour isn't particularly socialist, but they are moreso than the Liberal Democrats). The fact Labour has such pitiful representation outside of London suggests that an even more socialist party would bomb out down there.


    You see the thing is the number of seats isn't a good indicator of the amount of support. That goes for pretty much all Westminster elections.
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    no, we dont don't need a Socialist National Party

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