[kopite493]

if you cant legally live in halls your to young

[The Entity]

(Original post by Computerised)
lol it's true

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rostitute.html

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.u...sectioncode=26

Haha.


Child prodigy whore has turned quite fit as well.

[ChannieAlana]

(Original post by 0kelvin)
Was wondering how is that seen internationaly. There are cases in here of students who began studying earlier or skipped one year, which results in some students being admitted at age 16. I'm not talking about brilliant minds, but rather pressure to start earlier or even schools that advances syllabuses.

Yes, for going to uni

In Scotland, seeing a 16year old start Uni is quite common but personally I think in most cases 16 year olds arn't ready for that sort of learning style and the life that university brings.

On the social side, Universities focus on over 18s with regards to Union nights out. Being 17 for the first 3 months of my time at University, I found that I missed out a little bit as all my friends would go off to nightclubs and I couldn't.

As for the work, if you are OK with a more independent learning style and tight deadlines you will be be fine

[mrt23498]

(Original post by chr1stopher11)
I think there is a maturity difference between the average 18 year old and the average 16 year old. However for those applicants who are 16 but have the maturity level well in excess of their peers then why should you hold them back in pursuing their goals?

In terms of pushy teachers/schools/parents I think that the transition from a highly structured environment constructed by the pushy teachers/schools/parents of the student to one that is pretty much made up by the student would be a difficult one. Also sometimes the dreams of the pushy teachers/schools/parents are put into the student and so it might not be in the best interests of the student and so would result in failure. The story of the child prodigy now prostitute I would imagine is linked to the pressure of the father trying to realize his own dreams through his daughter, which she probably didn't share, causing the whole thing to fail. The decision to study at university when 16 or younger has to 100% be made by the applicant because otherwise it won't work. That is not limited to 16 year old applicants but also for all ages.

Its also about pace, i am not a child prodigy, but life goes too fast, you go through school, work hard for your gcses, a levels, then you land at uni, there is not enough time to relax. Being a child prodigy, and doing what the suggestion is, just ramps up the treadmill speed even if the child finds it easy

[chr1stopher11]

(Original post by mrt23498)
Its also about pace, i am not a child prodigy, but life goes too fast, you go through school, work hard for your gcses, a levels, then you land at uni, there is not enough time to relax. Being a child prodigy, and doing what the suggestion is, just ramps up the treadmill speed even if the child finds it easy

Of course it is important to relax but if the child truly wants to achieve entry to university early and works hard to achieve it and succeeds then the journey to achieving this will help develop a strong work ethic, determination, self-motivation etc which are all valuable skills. You can also manage working hard with relaxing if the child has good time management. Also it doesn't have to be the later stages of secondary education where the speed is increased. This could be done in early primary school where the child has been immersed in a pro-education home environment leading to increased aptitude in basic things which could lead them to skip a few years in primary school and then continue at the same pace as their classmates through the rest of the child's education.

[chr1stopher11]

(Original post by StacFace)
Why the need to rush? Uni isn't going anywhere and at 16 I hardly think you can class it as 'holding yourself back'.

I would definitely not call it rushing it because that suggests things are not done to an optimum standard. I'll give you an example. 16 years at university this year have avoided the fee increase and so will have less debt when leaving university. If they had not gone as early and had maybe left it a few years then they would be paying for it.

If you went to uni with a big part of the social side missing then you'd still get the 'leap' but it wouldn't be as much of a 'new experiences' leap as 18-year-olds have the opportunity to get. Most people only do one undergraduate degree, and even though you shouldn't go to uni just for the "uni experience" of drinking etc. you can't deny that it is still a part of the experience for a lot of uni students. There's also problems like whether or not you'll be able to get a place in halls so young, as if not this is another part of the uni 'social experience' gone. I know I'd regret going to uni at 16 because I'd miss out on a lot of the social side and it's not really something you can repeat (even if you can afford another degree it won't be the same 'second time round' as the whole 'new experience' part has gone).

So you would not recommend a very bright 16 year old from going to university because they would miss out on the "university [social] experience" i.e. getting drunk, going a bit crazy, going out to clubs etc? While that is all fine and well it is not the reason why people go to university or at least shouldn't be. Ultimately a university is an educational center and any added "amazing" social aspect should only be viewed as a nice bonus not an integral part of it. By going earlier it means they will largely avoid these distractions and be able to focus on getting on good grades, which is a good thing.

Nobody is preventing them going at that age if they want, I'm just saying that personally I feel it is too young. I wouldn't have done it myself and if a young person was considering going to uni at this age and asked my opinion I would tell them that I think they should wait and explain to them why. Whether they then took my advice or not would be up to them.

I feel like for the most part, as displayed in this thread, that most people are on the whole at least weary of the prospect of a 16 year old going to university, or are against it. This acts as a barrier even if you acknowledge it or not and acts as a dissuading actor in their decision. Ambitious, capable 16 year olds who know exactly what they want, university early, and don't take this barrier into account in their decision making process do themselves credit.

[chr1stopher11]

(Original post by jus2sik)
You will not be eligible for a student loan until you are 18 so you would have to pay yourself or something.

You can get a student loan at 16.

[chr1stopher11]

(Original post by Flan!)
Not too young to do the work maybe, but to be mature enough to live and take care of yourself? I'd probably say yes. Besides, there's no need to rush; if you have the a-levels at 16, just have a 2 year long gap year (yay! )

That would be nice if every 16 year old had the money to have two amazing gap years. For the rest of them who can't afford it then university it is.

[Nix-j-c]

If you're moving away from home then I think it is too young as many people that age aren't ready for the big wide world and you'll get exposed to stuff you might not be mature enough for or be pressured into sex.

[Mr Dangermouse]

(Original post by jus2sik)

You will not be eligible for a student loan until you are 18 so you would have to pay yourself or something.

That's complete bull****

[Mr Dangermouse]

(Original post by Nix-j-c)
If you're moving away from home then I think it is too young as many people that age aren't ready for the big wide world and you'll get exposed to stuff you might not be mature enough for or be pressured into sex.

Well I'm 16 and I know I wouldn't be pressured into 6... I don't need any pressure

[chr1stopher11]

(Original post by Mr Dangermouse)
That's complete bull****

You can get a student loan but I think that is pretty much the only form of credit you can get. So no overdraft.

[The Fez]

I would've started uni at 15 going on 16 if I hadn't done a year abroad and now a gap year. I personally didn't feel like I was ready - so that's why I'm taking a gap year and when I go to uni next year I'll be 18

[Antifazian]

Too young imo, I wouldn't go at 16, if nothing else your social life will suffer. Most people would not be mature enough at 16 to deal with it, because of the immediate freedom etc.

[Mr Dangermouse]

(Original post by chr1stopher11)
You can get a student loan but I think that is pretty much the only form of credit you can get. So no overdraft.

I wasn't actually aware of that. Thanks for letting me know.


I'll be 17 when I start because of the natural progression of the Scottish system. It won't be a problem as I have a part time job, student loan and some building society savings to last me a few months, plus my parents will probably pay for most things, it'll only really be social life I'll be contributing to.

[Mr Dangermouse]

(Original post by kopite493)
if you cant legally live in halls your to young

I'm sure you can at 16. My friend did.

[Luffy.]

Wow you are so great, I am 18 and doing A level.

[Flan!]

(Original post by chr1stopher11)
That would be nice if every 16 year old had the money to have two amazing gap years. For the rest of them who can't afford it then university it is.

I meant it figuratively rather than literally; it was a joke.

[Iqbal007]

(Original post by 0kelvin)
Was wondering how is that seen internationaly. There are cases in here of students who began studying earlier or skipped one year, which results in some students being admitted at age 16. I'm not talking about brilliant minds, but rather pressure to start earlier or even schools that advances syllabuses.

Yes, for going to uni

I know someone who is 17 on a course

[StacFace]

(Original post by chr1stopher11)
I would definitely not call it rushing it because that suggests things are not done to an optimum standard. I'll give you an example. 16 years at university this year have avoided the fee increase and so will have less debt when leaving university. If they had not gone as early and had maybe left it a few years then they would be paying for it.

It's not the debt that matters, it's how much you end up paying back. Also avoiding paying higher fees shouldn't be a reason to go to uni earlier than you would otherwise anyway. I would call it rushing if they went to uni at 16 without properly considering why they want to go at such a young age, as any important decision which is made without proper consideration is a 'rushed' one.

So you would not recommend a very bright 16 year old from going to university because they would miss out on the "university [social] experience" i.e. getting drunk, going a bit crazy, going out to clubs etc? While that is all fine and well it is not the reason why people go to university or at least shouldn't be. Ultimately a university is an educational center and any added "amazing" social aspect should only be viewed as a nice bonus not an integral part of it. By going earlier it means they will largely avoid these distractions and be able to focus on getting on good grades, which is a good thing.

Yes, I would. Although university is an educational center, it's not all about "study, study, study" 24/7. A healthy balance of 'work and play' is important and can be reached through good time management skills. As I said in my previous post, even though you shouldn't go to uni just for the "uni experience" of drinking etc. you can't deny that it is still a part of the experience for a lot of uni students. The study is, of course, the most important part but a student who goes just for this may find they regret not having the 'full' experience later on, especially when they made the original decision at a younger age, or perhaps with pressure from parents and/or teachers. Although they can of course go back to uni to have the 'full' experience second-time round they may find it's not the same, as uni isn't really new to them. They'd also have to find the money very quickly themselves instead of getting a loan and having low repayments in proportion to their salary.

I feel like for the most part, as displayed in this thread, that most people are on the whole at least weary of the prospect of a 16 year old going to university, or are against it. This acts as a barrier even if you acknowledge it or not and acts as a dissuading actor in their decision. Ambitious, capable 16 year olds who know exactly what they want, university early, and don't take this barrier into account in their decision making process do themselves credit.

Of course it acts as a dissuading factor in their decision but this is actually a good thing. It means that (hopefully) they will seriously consider the point instead of just dismissing it. I disagree that a 16-year-old who doesn't take it into account is doing themselves credit; completely disregarding anything in relation to applying to uni is not doing yourself credit. However if a student planning to go to uni at 16 was to consider the point, then decide they still wish to go at 16, then I would agree they were doing themselves credit.