D&D Theology's "Ask About Islam" Thread Mk. IV

Are you a Muslim ? What/whose tafsir (interpretation) is this according to?

He is an Ahmadiyya. And yes, I would also like to know what Tafsir he is using.

thanks for the detailed response. The thing is that there is a lot of evidence that suggests that humans had evolved from primitive apes. This would include Adam pbuh.
Do the verses of Adams creation explicate that he was neccesarily created directly from clay as opposed to indirectly?
Thanks

Is there any other ways to when a Believer turns into disbeliever other than doing the Shirk?

How do you know I'm an Ahmadi? But yes our view is that Adam was the first Prophet not man.

There were people in existence before Adam, Qur'an also gives a indication to this with reference to 'Jinn' which can mean 'hidden beings'. So we believe there may have been people who lived in caves and were therefore 'hidden' at the time of Adam.

Science has also proved that that people lived before Adam.

Anyways, here's our belief in this matter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwzZ_Sh4SJE

http://www.alislam.org/library/links/00000179.html

http://www.alislam.org/library/links/original_sin.html

Edit: riight, do neg me for stating my view/beliefs. Just shows your level. At least comment on my posts rather than hiding behind your negs.

May Allaah Most High save us from such fitnah and keep us all protected.

The fitnah the Muslims currently are in for rejecting the Promised Messiah? Ameen.

care to expand?

What is the punishment for apostasy?

You have heard of the Hadith and the prophecy that Muslims will lose their faith in the latter days yes?

Then Allah will raise a Messiah and Mahdi like Jesus who will come in his spirit to reform and revive the Muslim Ummah.

So we Ahmadis believe that that same Messiah and Mahdi has come in the form of Jesus as prophesied by the Holy Prophet (saw). His name is Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.

He fulfilled the signs and the prophecy and has come as the Messiah. Those who have recognised him and accepted him and conveyed the Salaam of the Holy Prophet to him, as the Prophet instructed, have become enlightened and their faith has been lifted and regained.

‘Whoever among you meets the Messiah should convey my greeting to him.’ (Dar Mansoor).

If you look at the Muslims who have rejected him, they are the pit of darkness and ignorance. Not all of them, some individually may still be good and righteous but as a whole they have become corrupt.

Look at Pakistan where Ahmadis are denied professing the kalima and the kalima is wiped off mosques. Look at the state of the country. It is destroyed. Corrupt politicians and Mullahs have destroyed the country along with severe floods ever seen in Pakistan.

The time of the coming of the Messiah was predicted in the 14th century and many scholars were expecting him then. There as only one claimant and his community has spread worldwide from a tiny hamlet in Qadian, India.

The sun and moon, another sign, were eclipsed to show the coming of the Messiah and Mahdi. He came directly east of Damascus near a white minaret as the prophecy foretold. He was a follower and great lover of Muhammad and had the same name, which is even in the Qur'an - Ahmad.

These are the signs which have been fulfilled. Now if you look at Ahmadiyya, they practice Islam as it should be practised. They are praised by all groups except the Muslims. Just as the Jews rejected Isa, the Muslims have rejected Ahmad. History of Messengers always repeats itself.

Placing his hand on Hadhrat Salman (ra) who was a Persian, The Holy Prophet is reported to have said, ‘If Faith were to go up to the Pleiades, a man, from among these would surely bring it back’ (Bukhari).

He was of Persian descent.

This was the command of the Holy Prophet:
‘When you find the Mahdi, perform bai’ah at his hands. You must go to him, even if you have to reach him across ice-bound mountains on your knees. He is the Mahdi and the Caliph of Allah. (Ibn Maajah).

Now only one worthy claimant has come, does it not behove you to fully recognise him and accept him after detailed investigation into his claims and intensive prayers for guidance from Allah?

When The Holy Prophet told the Muslims that in the latter days there will be 72 sects all destined for the fire but the 73rd will be the only one on the right path, a companion asked how will they distinguish which one is on the right path. The Prophet (saw) replied, ‘They are the people who will follow my practice and that of my companions.’ (Tirmidhi)

Ahmadis claim to be that 73rd sect.

http://www.alislam.org/
http://www.alislam.org/topics/messiah/index.php

This is the exact fitnah that I pray to Allaah that He keeps me safe from. Ameen.

Err the messiah = Prophet Isa/Jesus (pbuh)...who is a different person to Imam Mahdi. :|

The signs of them two praying in in Makah have not occurred - how would one lead the prayer of the other, when you say they're one person?
Also, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad has died. And the world hasn't ended yet.

How can you give a normal man the status of Prophet Isa (pbuh)?! That's disgusting. Astaghfirullah.

You have heard of the Hadith and the prophecy that Muslims will lose their faith in the latter days yes?

Then Allah will raise a Messiah and Mahdi like Jesus who will come in his spirit to reform and revive the Muslim Ummah.

So we Ahmadis believe that that same Messiah and Mahdi has come in the form of Jesus as prophesied by the Holy Prophet (saw). His name is Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.

He fulfilled the signs and the prophecy and has come as the Messiah. Those who have recognised him and accepted him and conveyed the Salaam of the Holy Prophet to him, as the Prophet instructed, have become enlightened and their faith has been lifted and regained.

‘Whoever among you meets the Messiah should convey my greeting to him.’ (Dar Mansoor).

If you look at the Muslims who have rejected him, they are the pit of darkness and ignorance. Not all of them, some individually may still be good and righteous but as a whole they have become corrupt.

Look at Pakistan where Ahmadis are denied professing the kalima and the kalima is wiped off mosques. Look at the state of the country. It is destroyed. Corrupt politicians and Mullahs have destroyed the country along with severe floods ever seen in Pakistan.

The time of the coming of the Messiah was predicted in the 14th century and many scholars were expecting him then. There as only one claimant and his community has spread worldwide from a tiny hamlet in Qadian, India.

The sun and moon, another sign, were eclipsed to show the coming of the Messiah and Mahdi. He came directly east of Damascus near a white minaret as the prophecy foretold. He was a follower and great lover of Muhammad and had the same name, which is even in the Qur'an - Ahmad.

These are the signs which have been fulfilled. Now if you look at Ahmadiyya, they practice Islam as it should be practised. They are praised by all groups except the Muslims. Just as the Jews rejected Isa, the Muslims have rejected Ahmad. History of Messengers always repeats itself.

Placing his hand on Hadhrat Salman (ra) who was a Persian, The Holy Prophet is reported to have said, ‘If Faith were to go up to the Pleiades, a man, from among these would surely bring it back’ (Bukhari).

He was of Persian descent.

This was the command of the Holy Prophet:
‘When you find the Mahdi, perform bai’ah at his hands. You must go to him, even if you have to reach him across ice-bound mountains on your knees. He is the Mahdi and the Caliph of Allah. (Ibn Maajah).

Now only one worthy claimant has come, does it not behove you to fully recognise him and accept him after detailed investigation into his claims and intensive prayers for guidance from Allah?

When The Holy Prophet told the Muslims that in the latter days there will be 72 sects all destined for the fire but the 73rd will be the only one on the right path, a companion asked how will they distinguish which one is on the right path. The Prophet (saw) replied, ‘They are the people who will follow my practice and that of my companions.’ (Tirmidhi)

Ahmadis claim to be that 73rd sect.

http://www.alislam.org/
http://www.alislam.org/topics/messiah/index.php

How can you give Prophet Isa a higher status than that of a man and a normal Prophet? This is what the Christians have done. Jesus was but a man, just as the Holy Prophet was but a man and Prophet. Are you giving Jesus higher status than Holy Prophet? Now that is 'disgusting'!

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad has died and his community still exits and has spread all over the world, what does that tell you? Does Allah not destroy all false Prophets and their communities? Why does Ahmadiyya still exist, why is it still growing if it is false? A false community never prospers.

So now tell me why you disobey the Holy Prophet?

‘When you find the Mahdi, perform bai’ah at his hands. You must go to him, even if you have to reach him across ice-bound mountains on your knees. He is the Mahdi and the Caliph of Allah. (Ibn Maajah).

Only one claimant has come. Where is Jesus, where is your Mahdi if they are two different people? Do you reject him without proper investigation and without prayers for the truth?

This is what the Jews did to Jesus, be not like one of them.

How can you give Prophet Isa a higher status than that of a man and a normal Prophet? This is what the Christians have done. Jesus was but a man, just as the Holy Prophet was but a man and Prophet. Are you giving Jesus higher status than Holy Prophet? Now that is 'disgusting'!

Which signs in Makkah? Please provide the evidence so I can see for myself.

Who said the world is going to end as soon as the Messiah and Mahdi comes? That would completely make the coming of the Messiah meaningless. What's the point in coming if the world is going to end right after you die?

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad has died and his community still exits and has spread all over the world, what does that tell you? Does Allah not destroy all false Prophets and their communities? Why does Ahmadiyya still exist, why is it still growing if it is false? A false community never prospers.

By the way Hadhrat Isa has died, Qur'an tells us this clearly. So how can you be waiting for a Judaic Prophet who has passed away? Jesus came for the Jews you know.

So now tell me why you disobey the Holy Prophet?

‘When you find the Mahdi, perform bai’ah at his hands. You must go to him, even if you have to reach him across ice-bound mountains on your knees. He is the Mahdi and the Caliph of Allah. (Ibn Maajah).

Only one claimant has come. Where is Jesus, where is your Mahdi if they are two different people? Do you reject him without proper investigation and without prayers for the truth?

This is what the Jews did to Jesus, be not like one of them.

You have heard of the Hadith and the prophecy that Muslims will lose their faith in the latter days yes?

Then Allah will raise a Messiah and Mahdi like Jesus who will come in his spirit to reform and revive the Muslim Ummah.

So we Ahmadis believe that that same Messiah and Mahdi has come in the form of Jesus as prophesied by the Holy Prophet (saw). His name is Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.

He fulfilled the signs and the prophecy and has come as the Messiah. Those who have recognised him and accepted him and conveyed the Salaam of the Holy Prophet to him, as the Prophet instructed, have become enlightened and their faith has been lifted and regained.

‘Whoever among you meets the Messiah should convey my greeting to him.’ (Dar Mansoor).

If you look at the Muslims who have rejected him, they are the pit of darkness and ignorance. Not all of them, some individually may still be good and righteous but as a whole they have become corrupt.

Look at Pakistan where Ahmadis are denied professing the kalima and the kalima is wiped off mosques. Look at the state of the country. It is destroyed. Corrupt politicians and Mullahs have destroyed the country along with severe floods ever seen in Pakistan.

The time of the coming of the Messiah was predicted in the 14th century and many scholars were expecting him then. There as only one claimant and his community has spread worldwide from a tiny hamlet in Qadian, India.

The sun and moon, another sign, were eclipsed to show the coming of the Messiah and Mahdi. He came directly east of Damascus near a white minaret as the prophecy foretold. He was a follower and great lover of Muhammad and had the same name, which is even in the Qur'an - Ahmad.

These are the signs which have been fulfilled. Now if you look at Ahmadiyya, they practice Islam as it should be practised. They are praised by all groups except the Muslims. Just as the Jews rejected Isa, the Muslims have rejected Ahmad. History of Messengers always repeats itself.

Placing his hand on Hadhrat Salman (ra) who was a Persian, The Holy Prophet is reported to have said, ‘If Faith were to go up to the Pleiades, a man, from among these would surely bring it back’ (Bukhari).

He was of Persian descent.

This was the command of the Holy Prophet:
‘When you find the Mahdi, perform bai’ah at his hands. You must go to him, even if you have to reach him across ice-bound mountains on your knees. He is the Mahdi and the Caliph of Allah. (Ibn Maajah).

Now only one worthy claimant has come, does it not behove you to fully recognise him and accept him after detailed investigation into his claims and intensive prayers for guidance from Allah?

When The Holy Prophet told the Muslims that in the latter days there will be 72 sects all destined for the fire but the 73rd will be the only one on the right path, a companion asked how will they distinguish which one is on the right path. The Prophet (saw) replied, ‘They are the people who will follow my practice and that of my companions.’ (Tirmidhi)

Ahmadis claim to be that 73rd sect.

http://www.alislam.org/
http://www.alislam.org/topics/messiah/index.php

1) Isa (as) has not prayed behind him

Tpos is not doing that

The Noble Quran infact says the prophet Isa was not killed.

'And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.' (Surat al Nisa : 157)

The Mahdi has not yet come brother. Nor has Isa returned. Answer this, has the fitnah of dajjal emerged yet and is he slain?