[f1mad]

(Original post by super_dooper)
Maybe they are just responding to questions or maybe they just want attention, but if you go on any F1 website it seems like every day you get headline such as:-

Berger: 'This will be Schumacher's final season'

Lauda: 'Hamilton is dangerous and needs to sort his head out'

Stewart: 'Alonso will win more titles'

Mansell: 'Vettel can beat Schumacher's records'

Prost: 'Schumacher is past it'

Watson: 'Schumacher will win again'

Etc, etc, etc. I mean, who even asked for their opinions? Unless journalists were simply talking to them and their comments were taken out of context and turned into 'headline news' for F1 websites, etc.

True- I'm a Schumacher fan myself but I doubt he will take what stuff is in the media seriously.

[f1mad]

(Original post by The_master616)
That why Graham and Damon Hill are champions then?

What on earth does that have to do with anything?

Damon Hill a gentleman? OK what about Japan 1998 .

[super_dooper]

(Original post by The_master616)
Disagree. I personally wouldn't include some drivers who have won championships in my greatest drivers list. I wouldn't include Jacques Villeneuve or Keke Rosberg for example. In addition, Stirling was a more rounded driver and raced more than just F1 cars (Rallying, Sports cars etc).

Just because a driver didn't win a title in Formula one, doesn't mean that he was crap in any sense.

I didn't say he was 'crap'. I just said he doesn't deserve a place in the top 5 drivers of all time.

My personal top 5 list would be:-

1. Senna
2. Schumacher
3. Prost
4. Jim Clark
5. Mansell

Though I'm sure many of you will disagree...

[super_dooper]

(Original post by f1mad)
Damon Hill a gentleman? OK what about Japan 1998 .

Damon Hill was a gent, he was very well mannered and polite. And what about Japan 1998, what happened there? I don't remember.

[The_master616]

(Original post by f1mad)
What on earth does that have to do with anything?

Damon Hill a gentleman? OK what about Japan 1998 .

Japan 1998? You mean when Shumacher couldn't pass him on the road and then passed Frentzen in the final chicane on the final lap?

[Marc Fiorano]

Would be interesting to get lists of our Top 5 of all time going

[f1mad]

(Original post by The_master616)
Japan 1998? You mean when Shumacher couldn't pass him on the road and then passed Frentzen in the final chicane on the final lap?

Schumacher couldn't pass him? Oh you mean Hill, doing everything he could to hold Schumacher up from salvaging any chance of winning the championship, after ignoring Jordan's calls to move over (IIRC)?

Schumacher was actually 3rd before his tyre blew up FYI.

[super_dooper]

(Original post by Raving_Hippy)
To add to this thread....I recently saw a painting depicting the scenes of 'what if' Senna had survived the crash and been able to climb out of the wreckage of the Williams FW16 unharmed, and a model showing the scene of 'what if' he'd won the San Marino race and how he'd have looked climbing out of the car in Parc ferme afterwards (since he had planned to wave an Austrian flag in tribute to Roland Ratzenberger, who died in qualifying that weekend).

Here is the painting....



And here is the model....

http://gpma.org/f106d-el.html







If only either of these scenarios could've been true....(preferably him winning the race). I get a very eerie feeling looking at these pics, though.

WOW...those pictures....I get shivers looking at them too...

[The_master616]

(Original post by f1mad)
Schumacher couldn't pass him? Oh you mean Hill, doing everything he could to hold Schumacher up from salvaging any chance of winning the championship, after ignoring Jordan's calls to move over (IIRC)?

Schumacher was actually 3rd before his tyre blew up FYI.

Any proof that Eddie Jordan told Hill to move over at any point?

[f1mad]

(Original post by The_master616)
Any proof that Eddie Jordan told Hill to move over at any point?

I remember reading about it, on Autosport forums.

Also if you need further proof that he isn't a 100% gentleman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxu8LIzeNHY

He is a gentleman but not as much as you guys are making out! Although he and Schum seem pretty cool nowadays though.

[super_dooper]

(Original post by Marc Fiorano)
Would be interesting to get lists of our Top 5 of all time going

Ok, I just started a thread on this, but I've made it a top 10 instead of top 5: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...2#post36227892

[The_master616]

(Original post by f1mad)
I remember reading about it, on Autosport forums.

Also if you need further proof that he isn't a 100% gentleman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxu8LIzeNHY

He is a gentleman but not as much as you guys are making out! Although he and Schum seem pretty cool nowadays though.

That's from 1997. You said that he did that in 1998.

I feel that you are getting desperate in your argument.

[f1mad]

(Original post by The_master616)
That's from 1997. You said that he did that in 1998.

I feel that you are getting desperate in your argument.

How am I?

Hill was holding up Schumacher in 1998. Watch the race if you don't believe me.

Like I said if you need more info checkout Autosport Forums.

Why don't you respond back to the video, as it still supports my argument?

[f1mad]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mWw78WrJpc

Excellent.

[f1mad]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKRveUU6Fig

Let me guess, wasn't Hill's fault?

[The_master616]

(Original post by f1mad)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKRveUU6Fig

Let me guess, wasn't Hill's fault?

Silverstone was Hills fault no question.

Monza was more 50/50.

[f1mad]

(Original post by The_master616)
Silverstone was Hills fault no question.

Monza was more 50/50.

50/50?

Schumacher is infront, Hill brakes late and takes the guy INFRONT off the track. How is that 50/50? Schumacher played no part in that: Hill is aggressor.

[The_master616]

(Original post by f1mad)
50/50?

Schumacher is infront, Hill brakes late and takes the guy INFRONT off the track. How is that 50/50? Schumacher played no part in that: Hill is aggressor.

50/50 because it is well documented that people thought Shumacher was brake testing him. If I'm not mistaken, Shumacher got a suspended 1 race ban for that. I not aquitting Hill of any blame either. If you're going to take the moral high ground here, Shumacher has done far worse far more often than whatever Hill did at the time.

[James A]

senna. no question about it.

[f1mad]

(Original post by The_master616)
50/50 because it is well documented that people thought Shumacher was brake testing him. If I'm not mistaken, Shumacher got a suspended 1 race ban for that. I not aquitting Hill of any blame either. If you're going to take the moral high ground here, Shumacher has done far worse far more often than whatever Hill did at the time.

This isn't about moral high ground- I've said this already:

"He is a gentleman but not as much as you guys are making out". You went on like he never got himself into any silly incidents .