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You need to get an education.

[Tsunami2011]

(Original post by catoswyn)
Its a perfectly fine degree for management consultancy. In truth the top management consultancy firms tend to recruit via a full testing procedure. So not just your examinations but how well you did on the tests will be the deciding factor. Your degree will just be one of the criteria used to determine whether they allow you to take the test in the first place.

There are various routes into consultancy... look at gaining project management qualifications such as PRINCE. Get a good employment history as many consultancies only recruit people with experience.

Good luck

top management consultancy firms are arguably the most elitist, the likes of Warwick and LSE barely get a look in. Its predominately Oxbridge grads, and my inkling is that if your degree isn't relevant then only Oxbridge will cut it.

[sarah1345]

(Original post by catoswyn)
Its a perfectly fine degree for management consultancy. In truth the top management consultancy firms tend to recruit via a full testing procedure. So not just your examinations but how well you did on the tests will be the deciding factor. Your degree will just be one of the criteria used to determine whether they allow you to take the test in the first place.

There are various routes into consultancy... look at gaining project management qualifications such as PRINCE. Get a good employment history as many consultancies only recruit people with experience.

Good luck

Cheers, are consultancy firms like SAP easy to get into, what sort of tests do they do? Would you say internships are the best way to get into it?

Are you in consultancy at the moment?

[sarah1345]

(Original post by Tsunami2011)
top management consultancy firms are arguably the most elitist, the likes of Warwick and LSE barely get a look in. Its predominately Oxbridge grads, and my inkling is that if your degree isn't relevant then only Oxbridge will cut it.

I'm not talking about top ones like Boston Consulting Group...everyone on this forum seems to think you need to start at the top to get anywhere in life. Or that grads from the top 6 fill every graduate position, it's not like that in reality, in theory, you could argue it is, but that's all it it; theory.

[catoswyn]

(Original post by Tsunami2011)
top management consultancy firms are arguably the most elitist, the likes of Warwick and LSE barely get a look in. Its predominately Oxbridge grads, and my inkling is that if your degree isn't relevant then only Oxbridge will cut it.

They are elitist true. They are not known for their enlightened thinking really and have become very much 'establishment' in their approach. Despite this I found a London University degree was fine for McKinseys, London. However this was after being in employment so it might be different if you are trying for direct entry from university.

[Tsunami2011]

(Original post by sarah1345)
I'm not talking about top ones like Boston Consulting Group...everyone on this forum seems to think you need to start at the top to get anywhere in life. Or that grads from the top 6 fill every graduate position, it's not like that in reality, in theory, you could argue it is, but that's all it it; theory.

My bad.. It's just when someone says 'top' I generally assume they are talking about the best, so in this case Mckinsey, Bain,etc.

[catoswyn]

(Original post by sarah1345)
Cheers, are consultancy firms like SAP easy to get into, what sort of tests do they do? Would you say internships are the best way to get into it?

Are you in consultancy at the moment?

No.. thankfully not right now!
No top mangement consultancy firm is 'easy' to get into in truth. I'm in the UK so I can't talk for the USA but I would guess the same is true there.

They will use a whole raft of tests from personality profiling (on computer) to critical thinking papers and job specific tests such as business finance problems, editing/proofreading etc depending which area you are trying to enter. There are often assessment centre days where you are assessed by professional recruitment consultants... you may do paper tests, profiling, working in small groups while being observed, issued with something like a company profile and accounts which you read for half an hour and then enter a room and make recommendations on certain issues as if you are reporting to the board.

These are just examples.. in truth there are always new ways of torturing potential employees. It is hard to fool these processes. Either in the end you'll sail through with flying colours or not. If not it doesn't mean consultancy isn't for you, merely that you'll have to find another way in to the work.

[SoulfulBoy]

(Original post by srascal8)
On TSR, it seems if you don't have a science or maths degree, you are not gonna et a job?

Is it like that in the real world? Are History degrees as respected as sciences? say if I want to work in the corporate world and hopefully get into a big company, will I have a good chance? I have 4 offers from RG unis to study History btw

thank you, just confused tbh!

History degree is good when the only requirement for a job is having a (any) university level degree. Apart from that, you can be a History teacher.

[zedeneye1]

(Original post by srascal8)
On TSR, it seems if you don't have a science or maths degree, you are not gonna et a job?

Is it like that in the real world? Are History degrees as respected as sciences? say if I want to work in the corporate world and hopefully get into a big company, will I have a good chance? I have 4 offers from RG unis to study History btw

thank you, just confused tbh!

[Wenger]

We know longer live in a society where <5% of school leavers become university graduates. During these times, students had the freedom to study abstract subjects such as philosophy and classics because employers would be employing them regardless.

In 2012, the job market has changed quite considerably, but the university departmentalism structure has not. Simply obtaining a university degree is no longer a pre-requisite to a high flying job, the relativeness of a degrees content actually matters, and the transferability of that knowledge into practice.

It is ignorant to say 'Is history a worthless degree to have', of course it isn't, history is a respectable, rigorous, academic subject and will benefit the vast majority of people. However, assessing the impact of appeasement in 19th century Europe is probably not as useful in todays jobs market as knowing how to perform heart surgery. Yes, there a variety of cases where the geography graduate got a better job then the mathematics graduate, but its really down to the employer who gets what job, and lets face they are all different, and have different reasons to employing people.

The most straightforward way to answer your question is simply to ask yourself, what job do I want, and why do I want it. If you want to be a banker because you earn alot of money then any degree is worthless to you because it is merely a word on your CV. If you want to be a member of european parliament because you want to make an impact on government policy then history is definitely useful to use. The answer is different for everyone

[non]

(Original post by Tsunami2011)
top management consultancy firms are arguably the most elitist, the likes of Warwick and LSE barely get a look in. Its predominately Oxbridge grads, and my inkling is that if your degree isn't relevant then only Oxbridge will cut it.

What degree do you think is relevant to consultancy because i didn't think there was a relevant degree for consultancy.

(Original post by Wenger)
We know longer live in a society where <5% of school leavers become university graduates. During these times, students had the freedom to study abstract subjects such as philosophy and classics because employers would be employing them regardless.

In 2012, the job market has changed quite considerably, but the university departmentalism structure has not. Simply obtaining a university degree is no longer a pre-requisite to a high flying job, the relativeness of a degrees content actually matters, and the transferability of that knowledge into practice.

It is ignorant to say 'Is history a worthless degree to have', of course it isn't, history is a respectable, rigorous, academic subject and will benefit the vast majority of people. However, assessing the impact of appeasement in 19th century Europe is probably not as useful in todays jobs market as knowing how to perform heart surgery. Yes, there a variety of cases where the geography graduate got a better job then the mathematics graduate, but its really down to the employer who gets what job, and lets face they are all different, and have different reasons to employing people.

The most straightforward way to answer your question is simply to ask yourself, what job do I want, and why do I want it. If you want to be a banker because you earn alot of money then any degree is worthless to you because it is merely a word on your CV. If you want to be a member of european parliament because you want to make an impact on government policy then history is definitely useful to use. The answer is different for everyone

why would any degree be worthless if you wanted to be a banker? you can't except in rare circumstances get recruited for a job if you don't have a degree.

[Augustine Leudar]

(Original post by srascal8)
On TSR, it seems if you don't have a science or maths degree, you are not gonna et a job?

Is it like that in the real world? Are History degrees as respected as sciences? say if I want to work in the corporate world and hopefully get into a big company, will I have a good chance? I have 4 offers from RG unis to study History btw

thank you, just confused tbh!

It depends how you define worthless. If you equate worth with ability to make money then .... Personally I think anything that expands human knowledge is worthwhile.

[Dukeofwembley]

opprtunity cost makes history worthless, ie you earn more if you did not go to uni,
ie 45 grad debt vs plumber who earns 30-40k(60k in plimlico i eard lol)
you will never catch up
dont do it
read history books in spare time, do somthing vocational

[banter2012]

I know its been a while since the last post was posted
but Dukeofwembley is completely right

i am a history undergrad at LSE and i learn **** all
my degree teaches me nothing
id have rather done Business with International relations or something
a degree with a placement year is best to do
Go to Aston - theyre graduates are always employed
(even something like management at the LSE - its all theory. do something which actually teaches u life skills)


ref: yes i hate the uni