[Stalin]

(Original post by Gob Bluth)
Question for you guys: Would you prefer to finish 7th and win 2 trophies of FA Cup and Carling Cup) or 3rd and win nothing?

RVP to stay if you finish 3rd/4th too? How likely is that? Can't see him being on this level of form next season. Maybe close, but i can't see how he will remain fully fit all season and have as good a season as this one. He has covered over some of the cracks this season at the club, so it's a must he stays for you as you will not get a replacement on his level.

Essentially: Champions League football and heaps load of money or two Mickey Mouse trophies and just about nothing?

3rd and no trophy please.

[J.Star]

(Original post by Gob Bluth)
Question for you guys: Would you prefer to finish 7th and win 2 trophies of FA Cup and Carling Cup) or 3rd and win nothing?

RVP to stay if you finish 3rd/4th too? How likely is that? Can't see him being on this level of form next season. Maybe close, but i can't see how he will remain fully fit all season and have as good a season as this one. He has covered over some of the cracks this season at the club, so it's a must he stays for you as you will not get a replacement on his level.

Is there there any reasoning or logic behind that quote? Or is it just a baseless statement that you made to try WUM the gooners in this thread?

Of course there is always a chance that RVP could get a serious injury, but so could any player.

The bottom line is, when RVP came back everyone said he would back in the injury room in no time, and that was, what, over 15 months ago now?

[Abbadon27]

(Original post by Gob Bluth)
Question for you guys: Would you prefer to finish 7th and win 2 trophies of FA Cup and Carling Cup) or 3rd and win nothing?

RVP to stay if you finish 3rd/4th too? How likely is that? Can't see him being on this level of form next season. Maybe close, but i can't see how he will remain fully fit all season and have as good a season as this one. He has covered over some of the cracks this season at the club, so it's a must he stays for you as you will not get a replacement on his level.

1) Discussed on the previous page

2) Nobody really knows if RvP will stay. The common opinion is that if RvP is happy that there will be investment in the squad and he is offered a reasonable salary he will stay, but if he feels the team won't move forward in the summer he will leave.

[Gob Bluth]

(Original post by J.Star)
Is there there any reasoning or logic behind that quote? Or is it just a baseless statement that you made to try WUM the gooners in this thread?

Of course there is always a chance that RVP could get a serious injury, but so could any player.

The bottom line is, when RVP came back everyone said he would back in the injury room in no time, and that was, what, over 15 months ago now?

I just don't particularly see it likely that RVP will be on the same level of quality next season with basically full fitness throughout too. Might happen, who knows, but i'm not entirely sure because he has been sensational this season.

[In2deep]

(Original post by Gob Bluth)
Question for you guys: Would you prefer to finish 7th and win 2 trophies of FA Cup and Carling Cup) or 3rd and win nothing?

RVP to stay if you finish 3rd/4th too? How likely is that? Can't see him being on this level of form next season. Maybe close, but i can't see how he will remain fully fit all season and have as good a season as this one. He has covered over some of the cracks this season at the club, so it's a must he stays for you as you will not get a replacement on his level.

A lot of people thing you talk a lot of **** but lets look at this differently; we could (and should now) finish third yet you think for some reason that we have under-performed. I guess we could only disprove doubters like you if we won the League and at least on other trophy, thank you for rating us so highly

As for your never-ending rant about RVP. He is our striker and strikers are supposed to score goals, whether we score 70 goals a season with 5 players contributing or 70 goals with just one, it doesn't make a difference. This bs about a one-man team is relentless and season after season we disprove the idiotic pundits, first it was Henry, then Fabregas and now RVP.

If he leaves then so be it, Arsenal will always survive and at the end of the day, our squad minus RVP is still better than Liverpool's, Spurs' and Chelsea's (of course that doesn't take into account summer spending and injuries).

And finally, 3rd anyday, it sad to see how relatively meaningless the FA cup has become but that is modern football I guess..

[Gob Bluth]

(Original post by In2deep)
A lot of people thing you talk a lot of **** but lets look at this differently; we could (and should now) finish third yet you think for some reason that we have under-performed. I guess we could only disprove doubters like you if we won the League and at least on other trophy, thank you for rating us so highly

As for your never-ending rant about RVP. He is our striker and strikers are supposed to score goals, whether we score 70 goals a season with 5 players contributing or 70 goals with just one, it doesn't make a difference. This bs about a one-man team is relentless and season after season we disprove the idiotic pundits, first it was Henry, then Fabregas and now RVP.

If he leaves then so be it, Arsenal will always survive and at the end of the day, our squad minus RVP is still better than Liverpool's, Spurs' and Chelsea's (of course that doesn't take into account summer spending and injuries).

And finally, 3rd anyday, it sad to see how relatively meaningless the FA cup has become but that is modern football I guess..

I personally disagree Arsenal's team is better than Spurs, Chelsea and even Liverpool's without RVP. Same level maybe, but i struggle to see the argument of much better anyway.

I think in a sense you have under performed as so many times RVP has saved your blushes this season despite having a good quality team. Honestly if he got injured this season you would have had to play Chamakh. I would imagine you would be where Liverpool are without RVP which is quite unacceptable seeing the quality of the side. But you aren't, so that's an irrelevant moot point. But we must remember how much bad seasons a lot of these clubs have had this season. Chelsea have been dreadful, whilst Liverpool drew too many and imploded like Spurs have recently.

If RVP does go you need a suitable replacement. Simple as that i think. But that will be difficult to find right away as Wenger doesn't go for tried and tested. If RVP stays and you get a new winger, an actual replacement to Fabregas, then you can title challenge. But Wenger doesn't seem interested in winning trophies in a sense because he's always one or two quality player off recently. Still the best man for the job as i have been saying for much of the season. Might have made many mistakes especially this season, but there's no man better for the job at this moment in time.

[implus]

Oh, Cesc.

[L-x]

"If RVP had got injured you'd be X in the table, so you suck" is getting realy old.

Where would we be if Wilshere & Diaby had been fit for even half a season each?
Where would we be if we hadn't spent weeks with 4 first choice fullbacks injured?

[In2deep]

(Original post by Gob Bluth)
I personally disagree Arsenal's team is better than Spurs, Chelsea

That is a matter of opinion.

and even Liverpool's

That is bull****.

I think in a sense you have under performed as so many times RVP has saved your blushes this season despite having a good quality team. Honestly if he got injured this season you would have had to play Chamakh. I would imagine you would be where Liverpool are without RVP which is quite unacceptable seeing the quality of the side. But you aren't, so that's an irrelevant moot point. But we must remember how much bad seasons a lot of these clubs have had this season. Chelsea have been dreadful, whilst Liverpool drew too many and imploded like Spurs have recently.

That is all irrelevant, every team in the prem decides what players they want/need in the market and they all have to deal with injuries. Arsenal have RVP and because he is such a class player, he didn't want to bother any of the other players and decided to score all of the goals.

Your point is just as idiotic as an Arsenal fan saying "we would be 2nd if Man City didn't have Silva".

No team had had to deal with what Arsenal did this season, losing three of their 4 starting midfielders, two sold and one to a long-term injury and then the turmoil in the summer affecting our start to the season. What did Liverpool have to deal with, buying players that weren't good? And chelsea, players getting old or players disrespecting their manager? And what excuse do Sp*rs have, this is their best team in 50 years. The simple fact at the end of the day is that Arsenal was said by the majority of pundits and all of the fans at competing clubs that we were finished and would finish 6/7th at best yet here we are again disproving the idiots and here we are again listening to the same old "if Arsenal didn't have X" argument.

[gunit123]

Arsenal's win percentage this season is 61.22%, better than the 1997/98 double winning season (61.11%).

Wow.

[Darth Vader 7]

(Original post by Gob Bluth)
You basically made a condescending post trying to make out you're better than me. And RVP is relied on moreso than those you suggested. Barca have got a team full of fantastic players, same with the likes of Bayern. And Rooney just isn't consistent. Quality at times and one of the best on form, goes missing too much imo. The whole point of the RVP debacle is that without him is a possibility next season so it's worth talking about how you would do without him if that's the case!!!

What have you been smoking? When did I say I was better than you and in what context?

My point was, every big team relies on their striker to score goals because, funnily enough, that's what they're paid to do.

And as we've said many times, we will cope without RVP. It's happened with Viera, Henry, Fabregas. Why not with RVP?

You don't understand how football works. RVP scores so many goals because the team is built around the fact that he's an amazing finisher. Walcott has assisted something like 1/3 of all his goals this season. However, we easily dismiss Walcott as a 'bad' player and call Van Persie world-class when majority of them are sitters.

You have to actually watch Arsenal (which you clearly don't) to understand what's happening on the field and everything behind it.

You just support your team. Which one is it again? Swansea or was it Liverpool? I forget.

[City_Gooner]

Young's diving antics starting to p me off.

[Gob Bluth]

(Original post by In2deep)
That is a matter of opinion.



That is bull****.



That is all irrelevant, every team in the prem decides what players they want/need in the market and they all have to deal with injuries. Arsenal have RVP and because he is such a class player, he didn't want to bother any of the other players and decided to score all of the goals.

Your point is just as idiotic as an Arsenal fan saying "we would be 2nd if Man City didn't have Silva".

No team had had to deal with what Arsenal did this season, losing three of their 4 starting midfielders, two sold and one to a long-term injury and then the turmoil in the summer affecting our start to the season. What did Liverpool have to deal with, buying players that weren't good? And chelsea, players getting old or players disrespecting their manager? And what excuse do Sp*rs have, this is their best team in 50 years. The simple fact at the end of the day is that Arsenal was said by the majority of pundits and all of the fans at competing clubs that we were finished and would finish 6/7th at best yet here we are again disproving the idiots and here we are again listening to the same old "if Arsenal didn't have X" argument.

Liverpool's team is man for man very similar in terms of quality to Arsenal's. Hard to deny? Prove it wrong.

Not going to bother arguing with the rest as i stand by what i said. RVP is more important than any other player

I would argue having Scholes back is more important than having Rooney for United. City have much quality and are still gelling as a side i feel. Silva was class early season but they have the quality to cope without him. They will win the title next season that i'm sure. It's imperative you keep RVP, as it is very hard to come by a replacement on that level of quality. For United and City it is easier. But you guys don't like to spend much and don't ever really buy proven talent. Podolski is a great start, but he is not RVP level. I will stand by that you need RVP if you want any shot at the title next season. Defensively you are set. Well you need a new LB as gibbs and santos aren't good enough defensively. Arteta is quality but he isn't a title winning first teamer. Same with Ramsey, Gervinho (who is so average), and Walcott (who goes missing too much). You need to improve or at the very least maintain your squad to get top 4 in the next 2 seasons imo.

(Original post by Darth Vader 7)
What have you been smoking? When did I say I was better than you and in what context?

My point was, every big team relies on their striker to score goals because, funnily enough, that's what they're paid to do.

And as we've said many times, we will cope without RVP. It's happened with Viera, Henry, Fabregas. Why not with RVP?

You don't understand how football works. RVP scores so many goals because the team is built around the fact that he's an amazing finisher. Walcott has assisted something like 1/3 of all his goals this season. However, we easily dismiss Walcott as a 'bad' player and call Van Persie world-class when majority of them are sitters.

You have to actually watch Arsenal (which you clearly don't) to understand what's happening on the field and everything behind it.

You just support your team. Which one is it again? Swansea or was it Liverpool? I forget.

I said before. Swansea first, Pool second. No swans talk on here, so i usually will post for Pool. Though honestly i'm not hugely fussed. I would have been happy if Everton won yesterday, mainly for Moyes. You will cope without RVP, but you will struggle heavily to get top 4 without him. That's the whole point. The team is built around him. So if he goes, there goes all that, and you need a suitable replacement similar to RVP. That is going to be so hard for Arsenal. You're not big spending.

[Darth Vader 7]

(Original post by Gob Bluth)
I said before. Swansea first, Pool second. No swans talk on here, so i usually will post for Pool. Though honestly i'm not hugely fussed. I would have been happy if Everton won yesterday, mainly for Moyes. You will cope without RVP, but you will struggle heavily to get top 4 without him. That's the whole point. The team is built around him. So if he goes, there goes all that, and you need a suitable replacement similar to RVP. That is going to be so hard for Arsenal. You're not big spending.

As we've struggled all the other seasons right?

The team is built around him because Wenger chooses that tactic. If he leaves, Wenger changes tactics. That's what a good manager does.

Who is a suitable replacement for RVP? I can't think of a single player available on the market that could come close to replacing what he does for us.

[In2deep]

(Original post by Gob Bluth)
Liverpool's team is man for man very similar in terms of quality to Arsenal's. Hard to deny? Prove it wrong.

Not going to bother arguing with the rest as i stand by what i said. RVP is more important than any other player

Stand by what? Arsenal are worse if we didn't have RVP? Well done Sherlock! My point is that it is completely irrelevant, just as irrelevant as saying "Liverpool would be title-contenders if they had Messi LOL" and "City would have won this League if they didn't lose to Arsenal". Take the "if" out and stop being an idiot.

You will cope without RVP, but you will struggle heavily to get top 4 without him. That's the whole point. The team is built around him. So if he goes, there goes all that, and you need a suitable replacement similar to RVP. That is going to be so hard for Arsenal. You're not big spending.

Just how we wouldn't get CL football again if Fabregas left and we didn't replace him with quality right?

I really don't understand why so many people are butthurt to see Arsenal doing relatively better than expected, I guess eating your own words isn't particularly nice, amirite?

[Illmatic94]

A player of RVP's quality is the difference between a team who wants to win the league or just try to stay in the top 4

We could cope with his loss but forget about ever having an ambition to win trophies

[TheInvincibles14]

Thoughts on Tony Adams becoming no.2 if Pat Rice retires at the end of the season?

[J.Star]

(Original post by Gob Bluth)
Liverpool's team is man for man very similar in terms of quality to Arsenal's. Hard to deny? Prove it wrong.

Not going to bother arguing with the rest as i stand by what i said. RVP is more important than any other player

I would argue having Scholes back is more important than having Rooney for United. City have much quality and are still gelling as a side i feel. Silva was class early season but they have the quality to cope without him. They will win the title next season that i'm sure. It's imperative you keep RVP, as it is very hard to come by a replacement on that level of quality. For United and City it is easier. But you guys don't like to spend much and don't ever really buy proven talent. Podolski is a great start, but he is not RVP level. I will stand by that you need RVP if you want any shot at the title next season. Defensively you are set. Well you need a new LB as gibbs and santos aren't good enough defensively. Arteta is quality but he isn't a title winning first teamer. Same with Ramsey, Gervinho (who is so average), and Walcott (who goes missing too much). You need to improve or at the very least maintain your squad to get top 4 in the next 2 seasons imo.


I said before. Swansea first, Pool second. No swans talk on here, so i usually will post for Pool. Though honestly i'm not hugely fussed. I would have been happy if Everton won yesterday, mainly for Moyes. You will cope without RVP, but you will struggle heavily to get top 4 without him. That's the whole point. The team is built around him. So if he goes, there goes all that, and you need a suitable replacement similar to RVP. That is going to be so hard for Arsenal. You're not big spending.

People said exactly the same when Fabregas left. That we would cope without him, but would struggle for top 4. People also said our team was built around Cesc, which we were tbf, and that we would need a suitable replacement. People didn't class Ramsey/Rosicky as suitable replacements yet here we are 3rd in the table with a couple games to go.

You have to understand, this is Arsenal Football Club, even if our 'talisman' leaves someone will step in and we will carry on. That's just the nature of this club.

[internet tough guy]

(Original post by TheInvincibles14)
Thoughts on Tony Adams becoming no.2 if Pat Rice retires at the end of the season?

Seems right, an arsenal legend coming back, don't really know much about his managerial skills though. Similarly, Viera should get back to us, no idea why he's working for them instead of us.

[Gob Bluth]

(Original post by In2deep)







Stand by what? Arsenal are worse if we didn't have RVP? Well done Sherlock! My point is that it is completely irrelevant, just as irrelevant as saying "Liverpool would be title-contenders if they had Messi LOL" and "City would have won this League if they didn't lose to Arsenal". Take the "if" out and stop being an idiot.




Just how we wouldn't get CL football again if Fabregas left and we didn't replace him with quality right?

I really don't understand why so many people are butthurt to see Arsenal doing relatively better than expected, I guess eating your own words isn't particularly nice, amirite?

I'm stating "if" as there is a big chance he will leave come end of season, so it's an interesting thought to discuss. I don't understand why you Arsenal fans are so aggressive on here toward any talk over RVP leaving. I saw it posted a couple of times lately, but overall your fan base on here is poor. Though, Abiraleft is my top football poster. I actually congratulated you the other day, and said i never saw a 3rd place finish likely. I was wrong, like many others. I said it here!!

I asked you to prove me wrong on how Arsenal are at least better than Liverpool man for man. Yet you laugh and don't say anything. Sums up my thoughts on too many Arsenal fans on here and why i dislike a lot of the club fanbase (irl it aint dissimilar). I was up for having a rational debate on here yet i get called an idiot right away for some of my thoughts, and still am. At least debate like i'm not Gob Bluth, and some new user on the scene.

(Original post by Illmatic94)
A player of RVP's quality is the difference between a team who wants to win the league or just try to stay in the top 4

We could cope with his loss but forget about ever having an ambition to win trophies

Yes.

(Original post by J.Star)
People said exactly the same when Fabregas left. That we would cope without him, but would struggle for top 4. People also said our team was built around Cesc, which we were tbf, and that we would need a suitable replacement. People didn't class Ramsey/Rosicky as suitable replacements yet here we are 3rd in the table with a couple games to go.

You have to understand, this is Arsenal Football Club, even if our 'talisman' leaves someone will step in and we will carry on. That's just the nature of this club.

It states Wenger's importance. He is making more mistakes now. Is that because of the board or what? We don't know. But Wenger is not the man he was. But is still the best man for it.