Big man charged with assault for removing fare dodger from train

Looks like the kid will potentially be charged with fare evasion as well.

How ironic, the man is being charged because his actions were being seen as disproportionate, but this kid will now potentially be dragged through the criminal justice system, and end up with a criminal record for a crime of 'dishonesty' which will be flagged up for any job he would happen to apply for in the near future.

Suffering a bit of humiliation in being thrown off a train and facing an embarrasing call to the parents / a long walk / a long wait until 6am for the first train -- or having to potentially end up in front of a judge and almost certainly end up with a criminal record (which for many jobs will stay on your record for life).

I think I know which one I would prefer if I was him

He wasn't trying to explain the situation at all. He was just sitting there telling the inspector to "**** off" and showing him the wrong ticket repeatedly, holding up other passengers and being a generally vile little turd. He wasn't assaulted, he was thrown off the train, as he should have been.

Actually it would take some time - especially if that time is meant to be used doing announcements or actually checking tickets. I've already explained all the problems of trying to get the BTP involved when it's clearly a busy time of day on a busy train on a busy route. As an inspector you expect that if someone doesn't have a ticket you tell them to get off the train and they do, not to have abuse hurled at you.

And I think it's good to see people 'taking the law into their own hands', as I say he WAS too physical, but it would've been fine if him and another passenger had picked him up, taken him off the train, and left him there, rather than actually thrown him out of the doors.

Why as normal citizens should we stand around and let people who have broken the rules and are now infringing on our lives (yes, they are, they are delaying the train which I am on trying to get somewhere) just do as they like? They need to realise they cannot get away with it whilst people sit around and ignore it in that typical "British disapproving way"...no, if you're going to break rules, then people are going to speak up against you or do something about it.

He wasn't trying to explain the situation at all. He was just sitting there telling the inspector to "**** off" and showing him the wrong ticket repeatedly, holding up other passengers and being a generally vile little turd. He wasn't assaulted, he was thrown off the train, as he should have been.

It's a good thing that the brute has been charged! Justice has been dealt, we cannot live in a country were the strong oppress the weak, we have laws, and regardless of weather or not the boy was a fare dodger the brute had no right to unceremoniously drag him off the train.
Edit: -12 and +12...the lord giveth and the lord taketh away...

But you werent there at all, also the filming by the video took place after the incident began to start, so we dont know the whole story

Man who assaulted student charged with assault. This is shocking and a total outrage.... oh, wait?! He's a bully and deserves everything he gets.

For what it's worth, the student has been reported for his (totally separate) crime under Section 38 of the Criminal Justice and Licensing Act Scotland.

It's a good thing that the brute has been charged! Justice has been dealt, we cannot live in a country were the strong oppress the weak, we have laws, and regardless of weather or not the boy was a fare dodger the brute had no right to unceremoniously drag him off the train.
Edit: -12 and +12...the lord giveth and the lord taketh away...

If you don't have a ticket, you get kicked off. I don't see a problem with this?

Just curious here.... do people think that if it was a 6''5 black man, with bulging muscles and tattoos that was giving the 'lip', the big man would've got up and dragged him off too...... or is it just skinny 19 YO brats?

I personally think that he would have just sat in his seat and slowly pee'd himself behind a newspaper held against his face hoping that nobody calls for his help.


Just my view.

And if someone genuinely loses their ticket.

He is NOT a boy. He is an adult.

He did not show a valid ticket. So yes, he is guilty of that offence.

So? You do the right thing when you can. I'd rather people did that than shied away even when they could help.

Oh yeah, good point. I guess that anyone who says "Sorry I genuinely lost my ticket" should be believed and allowed to continue on their journey

Help do what exactly?

He didn't do the right thing though, The right thing in this situation is to radio the BTP and have them take him from the train at his stop. (The student was going to a main station as far as im aware so this wouldn't have been a problem.)

Throwing him off clearly didn't help... all that did was turn it from a Civil matter to a criminal one. In the process delaying the train even more, and leading to two possible convictions that could be at a cost to the taxpayer when put through the courts.

I didn't say that they should be believed, I just think that they should have the opportunity to pay for the ticket when they have money available. Be that though a fine issued when they get to the station or through some other means

All throwing people off that have no money does is gets people lost, meaning that they start hassling people an the street at night for train fare or asking randomers to borrow their phone to call help.

Look, people have places to go and things to do. Either the little wotsit goes off the train or they're waiting ages for the cops to come. Take him to the next station and he just gives the cops the slip, that is if they are on the platform in time in the first place.