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Reply 60
Original post by twins27
Do you know anyone doing a joint geography and something degree, because you do the geography at kings and the other subject as SOAS. I was wondering if you might just feel a bit lost?


Yes, I do. They seem to love it; it won't stop you being a part of the SOAS community.
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Reply 61
Original post by RichardJapanese
Hey man! Got an offer for Japanese and Japanese & politics. Would Jap & politics be more intense than straight Japanese?


Yes. a lot more. Japanese has a huge dropout rate (like Arabic and Chinese), because people don't realise how intense it is. However, those people who manage joint degrees have a wonderful experience.

Original post by RichardJapanese
Also I'm quite social and I like to go out and get ****faced like every state school cool cat, there will be fellow drunkards right?


Yes, of course.

Original post by RichardJapanese
Or is everyone really work-dedicated?


No everyone. For Japanese, you have to be work-dedicated. But there's no contradiction between being work-dedicated and very sociable.

Original post by RichardJapanese
I'm willing to sacrifice some social life for Japanese but not amaretto or rum yuh get meh?


Yes, I get you.

Original post by RichardJapanese
I've watched some YouTube videos were current students are like ' why did I come here, I have no life, I can't get a job with Japanese' And it makes me cry at night man


Hope you get happier soon :smile:

Joe
Original post by JoeJBB
Yes. a lot more. Japanese has a huge dropout rate (like Arabic and Chinese), because people don't realise how intense it is. However, those people who manage joint degrees have a wonderful experience.



Yes, of course.



No everyone. For Japanese, you have to be work-dedicated. But there's no contradiction between being work-dedicated and very sociable.



Yes, I get you.



Hope you get happier soon :smile:

Joe


Thank you for answering! Okay, I still might take Japanese and Politics simply because of the job opportunities at the end, but thanks for making it clear that a joint honours would be even more challenging than Jap.

I swear every second a glass of rum is not upon my lips I will be learning Kanji. Does it help to learn Japanese beforehand? I have a tutor for like an hour a week.

Once again, thanks.
Richard
Compared to Sheffield, do you think the workload would be much heavier? I just don't want to feel isolated and pressured for the whole degree because I know my work will suffer, especially in London, that's why chances to relax and socialise would be a kind of solace to me, and I'd love to do Jap. and politics but if it means even more work then I might have to re-consider.
Since SOAS is so focused on cultural diversity and experience, would courses such as Politics, Linguistics, and Law focus primarily on Britain and include other cultures as options, or would said courses not have a specific culture, focus more on theory and application to other countries? I really want to know how Linguistics works because that's the study of language: which language? The first year has Introduction to Grammatical Structure, and I'm unsure if the main focus in English or different grammatical systems of the world's languages?

This isn't a problem because Linguistic degrees need to offer a wide range of different language systems for comparative analysis, but I'm still curious.
Reply 65
Original post by Id and Ego seek
Since SOAS is so focused on cultural diversity and experience, would courses such as Politics, Linguistics, and Law focus primarily on Britain and include other cultures as options, or would said courses not have a specific culture, focus more on theory and application to other countries? I really want to know how Linguistics works because that's the study of language: which language? The first year has Introduction to Grammatical Structure, and I'm unsure if the main focus in English or different grammatical systems of the world's languages?

This isn't a problem because Linguistic degrees need to offer a wide range of different language systems for comparative analysis, but I'm still curious.


No course focus on Britain - every course has a primary focus on Asia, Africa, and the Middle East. Obviously, for every discipline, there's some basic disciplinary training and theory that everyone needs, and SOAS teaches this. However, SOAS is firmly rooted in the critical academy and lots of this theory focuses on stuff like postco and critiques of eurocentrism.

So, in Politics, for example, in the first year you have to take a module on political theory. This is very much based on dead white European males, but it's just so you can get a grounding. IR at SOAS is very much focused on nonmainstream theories and critiques of Realism and Liberalism. Throughout the degree, you also take various disciplinary modules (such as "Comparative Political Sociology of Asia and Africa", or "Identity in International Relations") and regional modules (eg. "Southeast Asian Government and Politics" or "State and Politics in Africa").

Law is a slight exception to this - to get credited as an LLB, some modules have to focus around European law. However, the optional Law modules are very exciting.

I don't know much about linguistics, but I'd imagine it's similar - broad disciplinary modules without the Asia, Africa and Middle East focus, and then other modules that do focus on those regions.

Joe
Reply 66
Original post by RichardJapanese
Thank you for answering! Okay, I still might take Japanese and Politics simply because of the job opportunities at the end, but thanks for making it clear that a joint honours would be even more challenging than Jap.

I swear every second a glass of rum is not upon my lips I will be learning Kanji. Does it help to learn Japanese beforehand? I have a tutor for like an hour a week.

Once again, thanks.
Richard


Well, I don't know much about Japanese, but there are 3 (maybe 4) "starter" levels. Basically, people who come study Japanese without knowing anything at all get put in one, people who know a bit get put in another one, bit more the next one etc etc. Not sure how long you'd be ahead for before everyone else caught up; I'll ask some of my friends who study the course and get back to you with more detail.

(Also, the line "I swear every second a glass of rum is not upon my lips I will be learning Kanji" really tickled me for some reason :smile:)

Original post by RichardJapanese
Compared to Sheffield, do you think the workload would be much heavier? I just don't want to feel isolated and pressured for the whole degree because I know my work will suffer, especially in London, that's why chances to relax and socialise would be a kind of solace to me, and I'd love to do Jap. and politics but if it means even more work then I might have to re-consider.


Don't know much about the Sheffield course to be honest, but I can't imagine it would much less pressure. Also, Sheffield's Politics department is ranked 1st in the UK for research, so it's not like Sheffield would be a "soft" choice. Also, there are just as many chances to relax and socialise in Sheffield (I'm from there), but it might get a bit samey after a while.

Come to SOAS though, it's much better :biggrin:.
Reply 67
Original post by RichardJapanese
Thank you for answering! Okay, I still might take Japanese and Politics simply because of the job opportunities at the end, but thanks for making it clear that a joint honours would be even more challenging than Jap.

I swear every second a glass of rum is not upon my lips I will be learning Kanji. Does it help to learn Japanese beforehand? I have a tutor for like an hour a week.

Once again, thanks.
Richard


I disagree though. A full degree in Japanese might be just as challenging. I'm doing a BA Honours in Chinese, and from what I hear, joint degree students actually (for some) find it easier, because they don't have to take 4th year courses, and they can choose the less challenging courses of the Chinese (in your case would be Japanese) department.

It might help to learn a bit in advance, but don't kid yourself, you'll need to work regardless of how much you do in advance. And if you know a bit, they might just put you in an advanced class, i.e. with half Japanese people who have the grammar all down, or people who have lived a bit in Japan, and ask you to do the year faster (and take another module at the same time.)
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Reply 68
Original post by RichardJapanese

Does it help to learn Japanese beforehand?


Right, I've asked a couple of friends about this, and they say the most beneficial thing would be to learn the two alphabets that aren't kanji beforehand (they tried to get me to remember the names of them, but I didn't), as you're expected to know both those alphabets within like a week of starting the course :smile:
Reply 69
SOAS aint every1's cup of tea. PREPARE TO BE DISAPPOINTED ! And if you are really determined to go ahead and come here, goodluck with that LOOOOOOOL social life sucksss ! Every1 is very geeky abt stuff like politics and religion so make sure you do some homework on Middle East/Islam. WORKS EVERY TIME !
Reply 70
and take the words of a first year, dont waste your time on getting chummy wiv those kids on the internet. MOST of them wont acknowledge your presence in the real world. So potential students, dont waste your time on all the SOAS facebook groups but rather come down to visit the university and RESEARCH a lottttt before joining it. Each to their own, some people seem to lurveeee it but I wish I'd went smwhere else. #notexaggerating
Reply 71
Original post by ussumane

Original post by ussumane
btw, I'm typing in London slang and that, but hardly anyone at SOAS speaks like this...full of private/grammar students.


I'm a minority maayn, state school soldier :frown:


THIS. hahaha be prepared to sacrifice your slangs, people would give you the weird look. The whole 'pretentious' stereotype is scarily true in SOAS. had ppl frm east london pretending they dont speak like that looolllllll made me look like an complete idiot when I thought 'ooooh finally sm1 wiv whom I can speak normally.' Naaaaaaaahhhh! smh
Original post by FLYORDIE5
SOAS aint every1's cup of tea. PREPARE TO BE DISAPPOINTED ! And if you are really determined to go ahead and come here, goodluck with that LOOOOOOOL social life sucksss ! Every1 is very geeky abt stuff like politics and religion so make sure you do some homework on Middle East/Islam. WORKS EVERY TIME !

Original post by FLYORDIE5
THIS. hahaha be prepared to sacrifice your slangs, people would give you the weird look. The whole 'pretentious' stereotype is scarily true in SOAS. had ppl frm east london pretending they dont speak like that looolllllll made me look like an complete idiot when I thought 'ooooh finally sm1 wiv whom I can speak normally.' Naaaaaaaahhhh! smh

Your 'criticisms' are making me fall in love with this university; that seldom happens—this must be fate :colonhash:

I'm guessing, from previous comments, that getting a degree from SOAS will make you favourable to international employers because of the multicultural diversity implied by graduating from SOAS. How true is this? Anyone care to share some light on the reputation of SOAS in terms of employment?
Reply 73
Original post by FLYORDIE5
THIS. hahaha be prepared to sacrifice your slangs, people would give you the weird look. The whole 'pretentious' stereotype is scarily true in SOAS. had ppl frm east london pretending they dont speak like that looolllllll made me look like an complete idiot when I thought 'ooooh finally sm1 wiv whom I can speak normally.' Naaaaaaaahhhh! smh


are you seriousssssss?
i'm from east london :frown:
Original post by JoeJBB
Right, I've asked a couple of friends about this, and they say the most beneficial thing would be to learn the two alphabets that aren't kanji beforehand (they tried to get me to remember the names of them, but I didn't), as you're expected to know both those alphabets within like a week of starting the course :smile:


I really appreciate this, it means to a lot that you're helping me with questions you must get all the time! Well I've learnt them and it took me way more than a week haha! I think I'm going to firm SOAS for Japanese and Politics ( AAA ) and make straight Japanese my insurance ( AAB ). So either way, i'm London- bound!

I just re-read my rum comment and I can't remember typing it! It is true though, I do love my rum!
Original post by miniteen
I disagree though. A full degree in Japanese might be just as challenging. I'm doing a BA Honours in Chinese, and from what I hear, joint degree students actually (for some) find it easier, because they don't have to take 4th year courses, and they can choose the less challenging courses of the Chinese (in your case would be Japanese) department.

It might help to learn a bit in advance, but don't kid yourself, you'll need to work regardless of how much you do in advance. And if you know a bit, they might just put you in an advanced class, i.e. with half Japanese people who have the grammar all down, or people who have lived a bit in Japan, and ask you to do the year faster (and take another module at the same time.)


This has put me at ease! Especially the fourth year stuff! So would I do my 3rd year courses for Politics in my year abroad? That's the only thing I don't get! Thank you!
Original post by FLYORDIE5
SOAS aint every1's cup of tea. PREPARE TO BE DISAPPOINTED ! And if you are really determined to go ahead and come here, goodluck with that LOOOOOOOL social life sucksss ! Every1 is very geeky abt stuff like politics and religion so make sure you do some homework on Middle East/Islam. WORKS EVERY TIME !


Oh my god you make me want to cry! I WANT TO HAVE A SOCIAL LIFE! I love religion and philosophy so I might be able to hold my own. Why does the social life suck?
Reply 77
does anyone know what the employment opportunities are like for someone with a degree in History and Politics from SOAS ? :smile:
Reply 78
Original post by RichardJapanese
Oh my god you make me want to cry! I WANT TO HAVE A SOCIAL LIFE! I love religion and philosophy so I might be able to hold my own. Why does the social life suck?


Well not dissing SOAS,its my personal experience tbh. But I see you're doing religion and philosophy. You'd be fine I guess. frm what I've observed, ppl seem to form a clique instantly due to common interests in religion/politics (except for Int. Asians who often mingle amongst themselves ). erm abt social life, depends on what you consider as socialising really. SOAS societies seem very 'active' in organising stuff. But if you're thinking in terms of nightlife etc. look elsewhere. the soas events suck ! not your typical idea of a uni-rave. ****ty crowd, ****ty venues and ****ty music. I am sorry if it offends any1.
Reply 79
Could be the fact that it has so many Int. students + mature students. for eg seen ppl frequenting the likes of Mayfair and Soho club but being an average Londoner , I need my bashment and £1 jd coke and ghettoness lolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

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