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    Good old sex-obsessed men who encourage this sort of stuff by only paying attention to women when they show cleavage.
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    (Original post by When you see it...)
    Good old sex-obsessed men who encourage this sort of stuff by only paying attention to women when they show cleavage.
    Prove it to me?

    It's called women using their sexual power to influence people .... manipulation.
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    (Original post by Dr Good Manners)
    Feminism outside Iran and Saudi Arabia is an unfunny joke and 100% obsolete. Its just an excuse for bitter spotty women to sit round a table crying about men and how repressed they are because woman still has "man" in it.
    Can you not see how your own comment reflects your sexist attitude towards women? To suggest that only unattractive women have something to complain about in society is, inherently, sexist.
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    (Original post by xmintyx)
    Can you not see how your own comment reflects your sexist attitude towards women? To suggest that only unattractive women have something to complain about in society is, inherently, sexist.
    I put it to you, you're confusing "sexist" with "shallow". Of which I am neither. And of which feminists are one and many women are of the other.
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    (Original post by Dr Good Manners)
    I put it to you, you're confusing "sexist" with "shallow". Of which I am neither. And of which feminists are one and many women are of the other.
    And I put it to you, I am aware of what the definitions for both 'sexist' and 'shallow' are, therefore I am using such words as intended and I am not confused :rolleyes:

    The same could be said of your gender
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    Can someone explain to me why feminists complain how boobs are not a sexual object and it is only viewed as that because of dated views yet women are disgusted at the sight of this woman who was on the news recently when she revealed her hairy srmpits and legs on TV. Someone explain that one to me? Seems contradictory to me!
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    I really don't understand why feminists have to go making things complicated. I don't think women should fight on the front line. Ideally I don't think anyone should ever have to fight on the front line but obviously that's an unrealistic fantasy. There are certain jobs that aren't for women. I don't want to ever be treated like a man because I'm not a man and surely that's something to be celebrated? Trying to make it so that the same set of rules apply in every situation to two groups of people that generally have many differences both physiologically and psychologically and therefore different needs, qualities and preferences seems insane to me.

    I'm quite happy to spend time in the kitchen, endure periods and childbirth, be considered useless in many areas because of my gender, get free meals and never see females on the front line. I don't even necessarily believe men and women are equal.

    I don't think women are necessarily better in the same way that I don't think men are necessarily better but we're either one or the other and that's none of us can really judge which gender is superior because we'd be biased. Saying that men and women are equal isn't factual, nor is it supported by any form of evidence or even believable theories. It's simply a compromise to keep everybody happy.

    In my opinion we should have equal rights to an extent. I'm glad that women are able to vote and have a career of their own but at the same time I'm quite happy to be viewed by men as a sexual object until they get to know me. I don't mind having slightly lesser job prospects than a man because I wouldn't ever want to emasculate a man by making him stay at home to look after children and if the woman earns less then it makes things simpler.
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    Fear and Hatred, your chosen worshipped throne...
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    I've never understood how anybody would want to oppose modern feminism.

    If you oppose racial freedom then you can get a jail sentence but when you're talking about half of the human race it's perfectly fine.
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    (Original post by Olifromsolly)
    I've never understood how anybody would want to oppose modern feminism.

    If you oppose racial freedom then you can get a jail sentence but when you're talking about half of the human race it's perfectly fine.
    now, play fair, one can't bring logic or reason to a thread full of angry bigots who hate women now! :mmm:
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    (Original post by Skill)
    Can someone explain to me why feminists complain how boobs are not a sexual object and it is only viewed as that because of dated views yet women are disgusted at the sight of this woman who was on the news recently when she revealed her hairy srmpits and legs on TV. Someone explain that one to me? Seems contradictory to me!
    Anyone?
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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...iend-back.html

    thoughts ?
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    This has made me rage so hard.

    Deserves the same amount of time inside if the accuser was proven for rape. How the hell didn't she get any time at all for wasting the courts time and the police's too, not to forget that she kept an innocent detained for 9 hours.
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    (Original post by Skill)
    Can someone explain to me why feminists complain how boobs are not a sexual object and it is only viewed as that because of dated views yet women are disgusted at the sight of this woman who was on the news recently when she revealed her hairy srmpits and legs on TV. Someone explain that one to me? Seems contradictory to me!
    We are socialised to believe that women should not have body hair and we internalise these feelings of disgust ourselves. I know I was never given the choice whether to shave or not - when I started growing hair under my arms, my mum taught me how to shave. I guess it's the same for a lot of women and now we don't feel we can go out in public with body hair. Even feminists aren't immune to this internalised hatred of our own bodies - most of us still shave and are embarrassed showing our unshaven bodies. I find Emer utterly inspiring though, and I've been giving the whole 'not shaving' thing a lot of thought since I read her article. I'm trying to work up the courage at the moment, which is pathetic when you think about it.

    Here's her article if you're interested. The whole blog is amazing and I'd advise anyone interested in feminism to have a look if they haven't already.

    http://vagendamag.blogspot.co.uk/201...t-musical.html
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    (Original post by Skill)
    Anyone?

    Because not all women are feminists, not all women think the same thing, and not all feminists think the same thing.
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    So I've just read Caitlin Moran's book, How to be a Woman. She reached the same conclusion as me about the root of patriarchy throughout history - it basically comes down to an absence of painkillers, the Pill and decent maternity wards. Hundreds of years ago, we literally were the 'weaker sex', and as Moran says, it was 'prejudice based on fact'.
    As a female in the olden days, you had to endure period pain and other womanly illnesses without any good medicine. :sick:Then, after having sex (always unprotected), you'd get pregnant. If you didn't die from childbirth you'd be constantly exhausted from all the unwanted babies. Staying at home, rather than exploring the world and making pioneering contributions to science, politics and and so on, was the sad, but practical option.

    I can then understand why women centuries ago were cooped up and dominated - at least only in a protective way, I'm not condoning rape or abuse. What do you guys think? Do you agree?

    Of course, there is no place for discrimination now, we should be treated equally with men. We can work and live life to the full without the medical considerations. Nor is there any reason why men shouldn't stay at home and look after the kids if they want to.

    What there was NEVER a place for was sexual exploitation. I can't quite believe what I just read here:lolwut::


    (Original post by littleone271)
    I'm happy to be viewed by men as a sexual object until they get to know me.
    I like to think I'm viewed as a human being with potential, not an object. Sure, I enjoy getting dressed up and the odd compliment, but within reason - not to the degree that I'm seen only as a sex object instead of a person.

    Do you initially view men as sexual objects? If not, then why is it us who should be belittled and patronised?
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    (Original post by emmadawn)
    So I've just read Caitlin Moran's book, How to be a Woman. She reached the same conclusion as me about the root of patriarchy throughout history - it basically comes down to an absence of painkillers, the Pill and decent maternity wards. Hundreds of years ago, we literally were the 'weaker sex', and as Moran says, it was 'prejudice based on fact'.
    As a female in the olden days, you had to endure period pain and other womanly illnesses without any good medicine. :sick:Then, after having sex (always unprotected), you'd get pregnant. If you didn't die from childbirth you'd be constantly exhausted from all the unwanted babies. Staying at home, rather than exploring the world and making pioneering contributions to science, politics and and so on, was the sad, but practical option.

    I can then understand why women centuries ago were cooped up and dominated - at least only in a protective way, I'm not condoning rape or abuse. What do you guys think? Do you agree?

    Of course, there is no place for discrimination now, we should be treated equally with men. We can work and live life to the full without the medical considerations. Nor is there any reason why men shouldn't stay at home and look after the kids if they want to.

    What there was NEVER a place for was sexual exploitation. I can't quite believe what I just read here:lolwut::




    I like to think I'm viewed as a human being with potential, not an object. Sure, I enjoy getting dressed up and the odd compliment, but within reason - not to the degree that I'm seen only as a sex object instead of a person.

    Do you initially view men as sexual objects? If not, then why is it us who should be belittled and patronised?
    I don't think it's patronising but until somebody speaks to you they can only base their judgements according to what they see on the surface.

    I don't think it's the same for men and women because we are different.

    I have no desire to be anything like a man. I'm proud to be a woman and I don't want females to stop having different roles in society to men.
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    (Original post by littleone271)
    I don't think it's patronising but until somebody speaks to you they can only base their judgements according to what they see on the surface.

    I don't think it's the same for men and women because we are different.

    I have no desire to be anything like a man. I'm proud to be a woman and I don't want females to stop having different roles in society to men.
    If you want to have a traditionally female role then that is no problem. But, if you think that all women should have to, that's wrong.
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    (Original post by littleone271)
    I don't think it's patronising but until somebody speaks to you they can only base their judgements according to what they see on the surface.

    I don't think it's the same for men and women because we are different.

    I have no desire to be anything like a man. I'm proud to be a woman and I don't want females to stop having different roles in society to men.
    I acknowledge that men and woman are biologically different, I'm proud to be a woman as well. However, I think it's about freedom of choice and not imposing things. If you like being girly, fine. If you don't, then that's not an issue either.

    Also, judging someone on their appearance doesn't necessarily always mean 'I want to have sex with it'. Of course, we are all human with instincts, but not to the extent that it's right to objectify somebody. We're not cave men anymore, some basic form of respect for others isn't too much to ask
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