(Original post by rad_student)
Feminism is not about gender equality anymore, its about female supremacy & "hating Feminism is NOT hating girls/women". You are lead to BELIEVE that is what it is, but it has been taken over by this group.
If arguing about equality then surely more urgent
than pay is the majority of 1.suicides, 2.workplace (not just 3.police/4.forces), 5.recently divorced people deaths are male; 6.more than 5+ years difference when men die early; 7.more violence on men? Find proof of these 7 points yourself (or ask) because nothing says inequality then an early grave.
Men face many problems
(click other headers in link) & discrimination, Tom Martin's site has 100+ cited reasons
& a funny video at LSE. In posts 113 & 120 I mentioned some info on false rape at http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...php?p=35453544
(No one should compare Black's oppression with female's oppression. Blacks were removed from home made into slaves for decades, where Africa was raped of its culture, natural resources & people. In the past British women were equally oppressed as British men.)
The main points raised in this thread seems to be about earnings, maternity, army.
First I will assume that demand & supply determine pay & we want "equal pay for equal job productivity", i.e. less pay for a new radiographer then radiologist; with equal grades/experience/hospital the wage should be the same for 2 new radiographers/radiologists.
The gender pay gap is to do with job CHOICES. Its a choice to have children, if not then women'd earn more. Company cost is MORE paying maternity leave & a replacement - so she may earn less, but has cost more for the same productivity. In medicine when too many women become pregnant for maternity leave, its not EVEN possible to get replacements
& patients suffer.
Society does not deem motherhood and child bearing as an inferior role, feminism does; women are embarrassed to say I am happy being a wife & bringing up children, their own instincts. It took wide array of skills to run a decent home and family in the past & men were so in awe of them. Women still have these skills
& men can't compete, when they join a job where men's skills are needed...
Childless women in their 20s earn MORE then men.
Should we look forward to women paying for dates? Or happy for the man to give up his career (or not have one) to be a househusband?
It won't be common as women are naturally into hypergamy. In capitalism if women truly earnt less, all businesses would be falling over themselves to hire women.
a 3 times Director of NOW (pure feminism), was able to explain the pay gap myth.
From "Why Men Earn More: The Startling Truth Behind the Pay Gap - and What Women Can Do About It"
book: more pay where you do jobs with danger money (oil rig), work unsociable hours (night shift on new years eve), commute longer & travel extensively (sales), not take career breaks (pregnancy/sabbaticals), stay with 1 employer, do 60+ hour jobs/overtime (CEOs), less holidays & take more risks (entrepreneur), work in an inhospitable environment (mining), less absence from work, be willing to relocate inc overseas, have dependents or a partner who does not work, take on different & bigger responsibilities even with the same job title (precursor to promotion), less secure jobs (commission), willing to pay for their own advanced education (PhD/internship), produce MORE.
highlights choice by The Motherhood Penalty & More women in part-time work, but ignores Govt. handouts. It talks about median gross weekly pay for male single parents is more, ignoring that women get >80% of sole custody & hence enforced support from the father.
- article shows men's median pay more for same job description. Nurses & Nursing auxiliaries and assistants show that men's median pay is more, given that 92% of these people are women - anyone really think such domination could discriminate women?!
With a desire for women to be doing the same jobs as men the standards needed for police
/firepeople/military drop rather then say its not for you; so who loses out - the general public. www.manwomanmyth.com/video/equality/the-pay-gap/
video for a v. good explanation.
The Govt supports women in the workplace with laws, as more labour pool means less pay (demand/supply) which make the economy more favourable to business esp. consumerism & more tax £ for the Govt., as well as women votes. E.g. in India the Media benefit "breaking families leads to more spicy news like increasing crime, increase in gender violence both agsint men and women alike, most importantly breaking families brings immense financial gain to the media and its advertisers" - http://menseekjustice.blogspot.com/2...nd-family.html
- former male feminist, talks about the way they are forced to think within feminism; repeat mantra don't ask questions. Some in-fighting & censoring.