I am totally disagree with that point, you can be who wants but remember a feminist woman dont say you: Dont live as a housewife, say : LOVE YOURSELF and search your qualities and do them reality
Meeting the possibilities of the woman and all the things that a group of women did a day and today give us freedom to be what we want ; rights very important in our society
you can live your life as a housewife, single mom and gay woman....but all the things are thanks to the determination of the feminism
But even today, however, there are many discrimination acts against the woman, and that s the power of the feminism actually, trying to delete those types of things.
I dont think a girl who wants getting those rights say you: All the boys are perverts...say you: we fight against perverts and discrimination acts done by any genre
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Soya I am glad to hear that policies and representation have massively been improved. Q1 What areas still need improving further for women?
(Original post by soya salami)
without being rude, I'd say thats a little naive to say women are equal in many first world countries. Yes, by policies and representation things have massively been improved but they are still sexualised and exploited. Why are women more likely to be victims of sexual violence and why are standards so different for them in terms of appearance, just some of the modern feminist issues.
Since last post, some examples where it could equally improve for men. Purposefully used the word LEGAL enough times to convey the message that women are LEGALLY allowed to literally get away with murder, while men are LEGALLY responsible for EVERYthing.
1. Men are not LEGALLY allowed to refuse to pay child support. T/F? Women proportionately refuse to pay child support more than men, not just true in UK. Has nothing to do with sex bashing and EVERYTHING to do with entitlement.
2. Men are not LEGALLY allowed to murder their partners, or anyone else for that matter. Women literally get away with murder AT WHIM. “I was abbbbuuuussseeedddd!” Three simple words, tears and it’s case closed.
Kiranjit Ahluwalia was even given an Award by Cherie Blair for killing her husband! Even a film with Aishwarya Rai, Provoked: A True Story (2006). Ahluwalia had taken time to learn how to make a chemical weapon, similar to Napalm & set him on fire, i.e. revenge. This would be manslaughter/murder but Battered Women Syndrome (created by L.Walker psychologist) meant conviction was quashed on appeal. Given her bruising, her children as witnesses, she could have ejected him permanently by calling the police.
Battered Men Syndrome & why abuse to men is so hidden, so not going to get used & its nothing new.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/peni...-1226038437571 - unpunished, its not just UK. Now imagine for 20 seconds a man had done that to a woman... Anyone think he would have walked free...?
Warren Farrell said the equivalent defence of a woman killing during PMS is testosterone poisoning! PMS (& post baby depression) has been used by women to get away with killing their children & husbands.
http://csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm - 218 empirical studies and 64 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 369,800. This is what Erin Pizzey has been saying for >25 years.
3. Men are not LEGALLY allowed to rape or molest children. Men who break that law are harshly and severely punished THE REST OF THEIR LIVES. Women who break that law are rarely or lightly punished. The 8.2% of boys/men being raped probably ignores when women are not charged; media say the boy is "lucky" = rape, "affair" = serial rapist. Kidscape on female sexual abuse of children.
4. When women make false rape accusations, women’s groups rise up to defend them as in the Dominique Strauss-Kahn and Duke LaCrosse cases. They RUIN men’s lives and in low profile cases aren’t even reprimanded/perjury, much less prosecuted.
Men still care about rape (though it has become less), even when women don’t give a damn about false rape accusations. It’s not that women are bad, but the system does not punish the ones who are. Feminists condescend to admit there ‘may be a few male victims’, but no large body of them, no systemic victmisation and, they add, it’ll do men good to be victims now and then. Summary of 3 sources.
Q2 Where is the equal representation? And how do we fight all unequal representation?
With pushing more women into Govt., do you think these women will fight FOR equality, like creating a Minister For Men? Research reasons WHY boys/men die more for the same age group & take action?
I think women have been conditioned to be selfish, as that has become the norm for centuries. In the past it was more natural for 'men compete & women choose" because childbirth had fatalities of the child &/or mother so men sacrificing was for the greater good.
UK still bans women fighting on the frontline because men die saving them, but Oz has lifted ban. Similarly true in police & fire fighter; but no ban.
Nowadays women's privilege is shown in health, reproductive rights, education, in work excludes glass cellar, on the battlefield, etc. When a male takes a woman out, he usually pays for the transport, meal, drink, event costs, she spends on herself to look good for the occasion like new clothes, beauty salon treatment. Wonder if men spend more on pampering themselves with the beauty industry(?) Could this be why women have grown up to be more narcissistic, with the attention the other gender gives? Or do they like the make-up, etc because women want to rather then an expectation? A relationship where the man spends as much £ &/or time as the women causes problems, because having 2 people self-obsessed can be tricky.
'Girl Writes What' has more on systemic gendered violence (& done a great video on Reproductive Rights, if anyone needs arguing points). She mentions Egyptian woman chanting in the streets "Drag me, strip me. My brother’s blood will cover me." GWW says "A single female victim of state violence will lead the women of Egypt to rise up and pledge their brothers’ lives "not their own" to avenging that wrong. And yet it is women who suffer systemic gendered violence across the globe?"
Q3 Anyone with ONE example (not hearsay) where men are LEGALLY entitled to harm women; LEGALLY entitled to force women into servitude; LEGALLY allowed any advantage over denied women?
Should more boys/men be brushed under the prison carpet(?)
Any law students or Soya please reply to Q1-3 as I'd like to know. It may help with Sociology essays.
The more the number of laws, the more a reason for Govt existence & law people to be employed (No fee No win ads came about in mid 1990s).
The more men in prison the more they can do restrained social work (building painting, road-side gardening, etc) for the council (or MPs!) & be payed a few pounds for work costing £50+, saving £millions (ex-con told me that).
As mentioned before, do NOT believe Wikipedia, there is censoring when it involves politics & £100M+ industries.
Any feminists get offended/protested in London, Miss World 2011, appalling offense against women’s equality, reduces women to their parts?
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(Original post by When you see it...)
I know you never said that, I'm just saying that it is an axiomatic fact and that I believe women being more intelligent is also an axiomatic fact.
The statements on wikipedia are based on statistics, not facts, therefore I don't accept that as proof. I could provide you with statistics showing that women do better at school. Does that prove that they are more intelligent?
It doesn't even matter - I am just saying that in general
they are more intelligent and that in general
men are stronger. I can't provide proof and neither can you, so get over it. It is my opinion based on what I have observed. You disagree- fine, but don't ask me to provide evidence as it is obviously subjective.
(I know you will say that strength is objective, but just let it go - I merely used this as an (admittedly bad) example of how you can't prove this and that it just seems self-evident to me. Also, what I will say is how do you explain why women do better at school other than by concluding that they are more intelligent.)
Even if they are not more intelligent, they are definitely harder working (one or the other or both - otherwise how would they do better at school?) and better qualified for jobs that there are a higher proportion of men working in. Therefore, regardless of whether you agree with me about intelligence, you have to see my point. Why are there more men working in high-paying or competetive jobs when, if anything, more women should be working in these jobs (due to women being, on average, better qualified even ignoring intelligence/workrate)? Why are women payed less than men for the same job?
Will people stop fixating on this now?
You can prove that the average man is stronger than the average woman and it's possible to prove (if indeed it is the case) that the average woman is more intelligent than the average man, but you cannot. As james22 said, the differences in academic attainment at school can easily be explained by the faster maturation rates of females. As for the idea that women work harder and should thus be paid more, firstly earnings are not and should not be linked to effort anyway, and secondly, measuring how hard a person works is pretty difficult to do meaningfully, but I would welcome a link to a study. You should also note that young women earn more than young men and the evidence for a national conspiracy against women by men is wearing thin indeed.
This idea that women are not physically less strong but are more intelligent is in no way, "self-evident" you can gather evidence to support or refute both these things.
You should also be aware that in the UK paying a woman less for doing the same job is illegal and so with a few notable exceptions where the employer is now having his/her ass sued, this probably isn't a national epidemic.
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Hi SophiaKeuning, if you knew what feminism was about then yes there is reason to be anti-feminism; I am talking modern feminism, not 1st/2nd wave or egalitarianism. Have a look at my post #115 (I take it you have read the other posts on page 6).
(Original post by SophiaKeuning)
I'd just like to say, this forum is extremely anti-feminism. They think that men are actually becoming discriminated against on a large scale, as well as white people. They think to fight the cause for one thing, which has a history of repression, you are yourself repressing the other. They don't understand feminism, so don't be down heartened by their reactions.
Why can't you lot understand that feminism isn't a personal attack against men?! Don't be so dense... Why can't you sympathise with something that doesn't directly affect you, men of TSR. Why can't you understand that women have had a massive history of repression and are still recovering from that.
Men are being discriminated on a large scale; on what levels do you think this is not happening? Do you not see it because men's discrimination does not affect you? (Like the women inc Sharon Osborne on The View laughing at a wife who castrated husband; as they never had a penis, losing it is meaningless.)
A compendium of (US, similar to other English speaking countries) men's issues http://cmi.thedamnedoldeman.com/ & http://www.sexismbusters.org/ref1.html; to see if you think its all minor or very few reasons.
An Australian 'journalist' wrote "There’s a movement that sees males - generally straight, middle-aged, white males - as the new oppressed. No, seriously." 795 comments about that (read a few), which looks really high in comparison on their site = a lot of people have something to say because they are being ignored & treated unfairly.
What doesn't directly affect men of TSR, but heavily affects women? Is it worse than discrimination in the law, health funding, early deaths/late retirement combination? Have a read of my posts to understand why there is discrimination on a large scale & much worse. I mean we sympathise with 11% of rough sleepers & 25% of suicides of women, as well as the 89% & 75% of men; it'd be wrong to just concentrate on the 89% & 75% only. 92% of rapes (ONS) are on women, we should still sympathise with the 8% of males equally as the 92%. Its just that more effort should be put on the majority. Even with men being the majority for some disadvantages, the focus REMAINS on women.
During this massive history of repression, what was happening to the men? Were they living it up? EACH time you think of women in history being repressed, just do a quick check on how their men were suffering.
How could there be a Men's Rights Organization in the 1920s if women were repressed, I mean there were Husband-Killing Syndicates, women getting less sentences for killing men (even then!) using chivalry.
You can't mean during wars when women were giving out White Feathers & British men dying on a battlefield 1,000/day?
Or during the Titanic or in Italy now ("Women and children first," Smith said. "All these families who were clinging to each other had to be separated).
Maybe staying at home with the kids was worse than jobs in agriculture & manufacturing than they are now?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp8tToFv-bA mother on Feminism and the Disposable Male & her balanced article. (replace * with shi t)
Feminism: Recipe for slavery video - if you wanna know how feminism is used to control women(, to control men), parts 1-6. Part 7-8 is about religion & I think there are better ways, so may wanna ignore.
Part of feminism which you can see in Denmark, Sweden, etc is to split the males from the family, so the focus is elsewhere (easier to control as 'divided we fall'). Just look at the % of 1 parent (women) families in the country, how laws/payouts prevent the need for 2 parent families & the trouble in society caused by children without fathers (>80% of UK custody go to the mother only). One Swedish man's story who challenged the system and went public with proof of the corruption & they are prosecuting him.
Once you have been through the links, I'd appreciate some input please or things I have not addressed.
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