[Dinodance]

Wow, you're thicker than I am...that's saying something!

[kat2pult]

(Original post by haverstock)
Although I agree that you have a point, surely Stained Glass Studies should be a module for a degree that involves design or maybe it should be just some other course that is offered more as an activity to occupy your spare time?

Well stained glass is a very bespoke industry with few specialists, and it has a huge Wikipedia entry about the history and different designs of stained glass http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stained_glass

Plus you've then got the practical aspect which I'd imagine takes quite some time to learn and master. They are very expensive when you buy them as a lot of skill and attention goes into them.

I don't think having it as one module would be sufficient to teach all the necessities that it entails. It possibly might be better as a BTEC, but there's obviously a need for the degree otherwise the institution wouldn't have it.

[Zangoose]

(Original post by imperial maniac)
Yeah, that and Philosophy...

History: Arguing about pointless details of the past.

Philosophy: Arguing about pointless details of the present.

Biology, Chemistry and Physics: Gets **** done.

This guy right here, is a paragon of rationality. Learn from people like this.

[OU Student]

Define "useless". A degree is only useless if you have no interest in the subject and have no intention of doing anything related to it at all.

[Solen.132]

I'm not going to sit here and ridicule you by saying something like 'oh you clearly got rejected for history(!)', as everyone has there own opinions on things, however, your illustrations for your argument are highly ignorant.

You may view studying the past to be highly pointless, but actually when you look at events in enough depth you begin to realise that what happened in the past is happening, to some extent, in the present. History allows you to look at things analytically, to come up with sustained and thought out conclusions to arguments, instead of making one based on rash or biased views. (Which could have helped you here )

History also helps with the study of other subjects, if we hadn't started learning about things that happened in the past, think of how little our knowledge of subjects such as medicine would be. If it was so pointless, I'm sure it wouldn't be seen as such a highly regarded degree to have, with so many career prospects being offered at the end.


I've applied for history... is it obvious?

[HappygoLucky8]

no degree is worthless

[amirlad]

(Original post by Zangoose)
For me, it has to be History without a doubt... Without travelling far and wide to pointlessly study it in university, all you'd really need to do is:

Write essays - I have a pen and paper, and a laptop to type documents
Read books - I'll get those from my local library which is a 5 minute bus journey. If I need extra books, I'll go on Ebay or Amazon
Field trips - Visit a few places related to whatever you're studying

These are all things you can do in your local town without spending a few grand on tuition fees. In an academic sense, why spend years in university accumulating vast amounts of student debt which you'll never pay back because there's no hope of getting a decent job with that degree?
I could get a Ph.D level of knowledge on the Crusades by sitting in my living room/study/bedroom and reading copious amounts of materials related to the topic over a few years.
History is a subject for the rich, pompous, middle-class scholars who didn't know what to do with their hefty parental allowances so they blew it all on pointless tuition fees for that pointless degree.
People studying History generally have nothing better to do than to loaf around sipping tea, nibbling crumpets and having senseless debates about the most pointless and outdated events which have long since been swept under the rug by anyone with an ounce of common sense.

Guy with common sense: Hi, what are you studying?
History student: History, you?
Guy with common sense: Psh... History? Well then, let's hope you're not living in a skip by the time you find out who killed the Princes in the Tower

Edit: (Negged by butt-hurt History students who can't face the truth)

Edit 2: (I've never applied for, nor have I been rejected for a History degree. I got 5 straight offers for Biochemistry which I am currently studying) BOOM.

Why is biochem useful?

[I'mBadAtMaths]

(Original post by Zangoose)
For me, it has to be History without a doubt... Without travelling far and wide to pointlessly study it in university, all you'd really need to do is:

Write essays - I have a pen and paper, and a laptop to type documents
Read books - I'll get those from my local library which is a 5 minute bus journey. If I need extra books, I'll go on Ebay or Amazon
Field trips - Visit a few places related to whatever you're studying

These are all things you can do in your local town without spending a few grand on tuition fees. In an academic sense, why spend years in university accumulating vast amounts of student debt which you'll never pay back because there's no hope of getting a decent job with that degree?
I could get a Ph.D level of knowledge on the Crusades by sitting in my living room/study/bedroom and reading copious amounts of materials related to the topic over a few years.
History is a subject for the rich, pompous, middle-class scholars who didn't know what to do with their hefty parental allowances so they blew it all on pointless tuition fees for that pointless degree.
People studying History generally have nothing better to do than to loaf around sipping tea, nibbling crumpets and having senseless debates about the most pointless and outdated events which have long since been swept under the rug by anyone with an ounce of common sense.

Guy with common sense: Hi, what are you studying?
History student: History, you?
Guy with common sense: Psh... History? Well then, let's hope you're not living in a skip by the time you find out who killed the Princes in the Tower

Edit: (Negged by butt-hurt History students who can't face the truth)

Edit 2: (I've never applied for, nor have I been rejected for a History degree. I got 5 straight offers for Biochemistry which I am currently studying) BOOM.

Where do you study big man? (I'm a biochemist too)

[I'mBadAtMaths]

(Original post by amirlad)
Why is biochem useful?

wanna cure cancer?

[Integral]

Considering a significant number of Britain's elite politicians have degrees in some form of History, calling it the most useless degree leads me to question whether OP is a very bad troll, or if he reall is that stupid.

[kerily]

(Original post by Zangoose)
History is a subject for the rich, pompous, middle-class scholars who didn't know what to do with their hefty parental allowances so they blew it all on pointless tuition fees for that pointless degree.

I hasten to add that I'm doing maths so 'my friend' is actually not me. Anyway, my best friend, who's doing history here at UCL, is from a working-class background, grew up in a council house, gets precisely no financial support from her family and is studying history because she loves it, without a trace of being middle-class in her entire system. Your stereotype here entertains me

[Zangoose]

(Original post by amirlad)
Why is biochem useful?

You get to play with chemicals and mix them up and make things explode

(Original post by Integral)
Considering a significant number of Britain's elite politicians have degrees in some form of History, calling it the most useless degree leads me to question whether OP is a very bad troll, or if he reall is that stupid.

Did you also read the part where I said it's a degree for the rich, pompous and middle-class?

[Zangoose]

(Original post by kerily)
Anyway, my best friend, who's doing history here at UCL, is from a working-class background, grew up in a council house, gets precisely no financial support from her family and is studying history because she loves it, without a trace of being middle-class in her entire system.

Cool story bro.

[Threxy]

(Original post by modini)
David Beckham studies.

Wow, people will neg for anything, won't they?

No such thing.

(Original post by imperial maniac)
Yeah, that and Philosophy...

History: Arguing about pointless details of the past.

Philosophy: Arguing about pointless details of the present.

Biology, Chemistry and Physics: Gets **** done.

Actually, philosophy (the subject of thinking of life, basically) pioneered the exploration of "how **** works" and "why it happens" (science)
As for history, considering it's important to culture and national identity and the fact it has a tendancy to repeat itself, I doubt you'd call that pointless.

[kerily]

(Original post by Zangoose)
Cool story bro.

If you're going to make a point that generalises wildly, you can't really complain if someone comes up with a counterexample to it. 'tralala not listening' isn't much of an argument

[Integral]

(Original post by Zangoose)
Did you also read the part where I said it's a degree for the rich, pompous and middle-class?

Even if that rubbish were true, that wouldn't make it useless. Piss poor trolling. Try harder, m'dear.

[Prepare-Yourself]

(Original post by Zangoose)
Okay?

YOU'RE clearly retarded if you can't tell the difference between your & you're. Those are rudimentary English skills your average 10 year old can comprehend.



Flawed? I think not. And trust me my son, I'm in the field of applied science and unless you have a lab in your basement, I don't think you'll cover a lot of crucial areas a Biology degree entails. Comparing History with Biology is the real flaw kiddo.

Oh wow, you can't argue back with any valid point so you choose the grammar card instead. Well ****ing done.

[Dinodance]

(Original post by Zangoose)
You get to play with chemicals and mix them up and make things explode



Did you also read the part where I said it's a degree for the rich, pompous and middle-class?

Playing with chemicals? I can do that with my little brother's chemistry set.

And yes, poloticians are middle class, pompous etc...but the reason they're poloticians is because they are damn good debaters, have better ideas on how to run the country, and know how to gain the public's heart. History teaches you that, believe it or not. Other jobs you can get; civil servant (btw, my dad was working class who stupidly got a history degree, then got a job in the Cabinet - top 1000 brains in the country), lawyers, teachers, media-related jobs, accountants, buisness(wo)men, and the list goes on

[viffer]

(Original post by geetar)
learning should always be encouraged. If someone enjoys their degree, and gets something out of it, it's very useful indeed

Who do you think should pick up the tab for it if the only benefit is the student's "enjoyment"?

[amirlad]

(Original post by Zangoose)
You get to play with chemicals and mix them up and make things explode

You do that in year 7 chemistry, no really, tell me why it's useful? I'm intrigued to find out haha