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British civil war in the future

Over the past 1-2 years I've had quite a few discussions with people about current affairs (namely the issue of terrorism and the related issues of immigration, global politics etc) and quite often heard a common belief that a british civil war will erupt when ethnic minorities increase in numbers and become more estabished. This beleif is common amonst certain white british nationalists etc...

I don't believe this will ever happen for various reasons . . . .

Do any of you beleive that a british/english civil war will take place (on the basis of race/identity)? If so, what do you predict/envisage?

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The south will rise again!
Original post by The Dark Lord
The south will rise again!


and the north?
I believe it will happen (something similar to what India has now to an Israel-Palestine type thing).
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Original post by PendulumBoB
I believe it will happen (Israel-Palestine type situation at the very least).


What a ridiculous comparison.
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Original post by Organ
What a ridiculous comparison.


How is it any different?
The only difference is Palestine are still suffering injustice.
Original post by Organ
What a ridiculous comparison.


As the numbers of minority groups who don't respect secular law increase they will demand greater autonomy, and mini-vassal states will appear but still remain part of the UK (like Palestine) and things will get pretty tense.
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Original post by PendulumBoB
As the numbers of minority groups who don't respect secular law increase they will demand greater autonomy, and mini-vassal states will appear but still remain part of the UK (like Palestine) and things will get pretty tense.


So you reckon that first a large imperial power will rule the UK (like the Ottomans ruled Palestine). This imperial power will be defeated and then power will pass to another power (like Palestine became a British mandate). So you think that an entire group of people are going to move to the UK after a genocide, and then a state will be established, voted for and partitioned by the United Nations? You then think that neighbouring countries will then invade this new state, that the native British people will be forced to flee to like Cornwall (Gaza) and Yorkshire, Lincolnshire, Norfolk, Suffolk, Essex and a part of East London (West Bank). That these British people will form militant groups, that want to return to the former England. That this new state will be supported by the USA who will provide it with diplomatic protection and weaponry?

As I said, absolutely mental to transplant Israel/Palestine to the UK.

Original post by Hogwartz
How is it any different?
The only difference is Palestine are still suffering injustice.


What?
Original post by Organ
So you reckon that first a large imperial power will rule the UK (like the Ottomans ruled Palestine). This imperial power will be defeated and then power will pass to another power (like Palestine became a British mandate). So you think that an entire group of people are going to move to the UK after a genocide, and then a state will be established, voted for and partitioned by the United Nations? You then think that neighbouring countries will then invade this new state, that the native British people will be forced to flee to like Cornwall (Gaza) and Yorkshire, Lincolnshire, Norfolk, Suffolk, Essex and a part of East London (West Bank). That these British people will form militant groups, that want to return to the former England. That this new state will be supported by the USA who will provide it with diplomatic protection and weaponry?

As I said, absolutely mental to transplant Israel/Palestine to the UK.


I didn't mean historically. :facepalm2:
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Original post by PendulumBoB
I didn't mean historically. :facepalm2:


How can you compare the two then?
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How can you compare the two then?


How can you compare any two things?

There will be similarities and differences between all things, I could have compared it with the Balkans but I doubt it will go quite that far.
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Original post by PendulumBoB
How can you compare any two things?

There will be similarities and differences between all things, I could have compared it with the Balkans but I doubt it will go quite that far.


Well, these sorts of hatred like the Balkans and Israel & Palestine emerge out of very specific things. It is dumb to just say x will happen in the UK.
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So you reckon that first a large imperial power will rule the UK (like the Ottomans ruled Palestine). This imperial power will be defeated and then power will pass to another power (like Palestine became a British mandate). So you think that an entire group of people are going to move to the UK after a genocide, and then a state will be established, voted for and partitioned by the United Nations? You then think that neighbouring countries will then invade this new state, that the native British people will be forced to flee to like Cornwall (Gaza) and Yorkshire, Lincolnshire, Norfolk, Suffolk, Essex and a part of East London (West Bank). That these British people will form militant groups, that want to return to the former England. That this new state will be supported by the USA who will provide it with diplomatic protection and weaponry?

As I said, absolutely mental to transplant Israel/Palestine to the UK.



What?

I'm sure you are not deaf, and even if you are, my post does not require the ears.
I don't think civil war is likely.

If there was civil was I don't think it'd be a racial war, but a class war or a war against the financial inequalities in our society.
Civil war requires two sides. Its not whites and ethic minorities as productive and spongers. There are plenty of white spongers and plenty of productive ethnic minorities. Plenty of whites who represent everything wrong with this country and plenty of non whites who are model Brits.

The reason WNs can see a civil war is they can clearly see and enemy, anyone who isn't white, its clear us and them. For the most part, people are smart enough to see the problems are deeper than white vs non white.

There will be a anti immigrant rising if things don't get better economically, either way there isn't a large enough number of people who feel this way for it to be of any significance. The whole race war, is a far right illusion contracted to form a fear, and a feeling that they will be attacked.
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If there was a civil war, i'd think it would be a racial one. We all know the white British people have these racist attitudes and what with the recession it's all building up. White British people see immigrants as a big threat and I can see them voting for an extreme right wing party maybe like EDL in a political form. Take it from there really.
The right wing nationalists have been saying this for a few decades now since Enoch Powell and his 'rivers of blood' speech. The only people that want a civil war against immigration are the right wing skinhead types, most people are not that bothered about issues of race and colour, even the ones that are a bit racist down the pub with their mates are not motivated enough to rise up to arms and fight for their race and so on. So whilst you might get a bit of small scale rioting and protests/demonstrations from fringe groups you are not going to get large scale mass revolution.

What people on the fringes never understand is that the vast majority of the population don't think like they do. It's the same with socialist worker groups. When I was at uni every meeting advertised by the socialist groups was of speakers coming in to discuss topics like "can there be revolution in the UK" and predictions that there will be a civil war because people will be so disaffected with capitalism that they will rise up in mass arms against it. Again, you might get some small groups of far left protestors and rioters but the masses aren't interested in this type of fringe politics.

Even in recent years when there have been all these massive economic problems, political parties like the BNP and the Socialist Labour party have made no impact, they just don't get votes, they are dwarfed even by the Lib Dems lol.

I know it's a right wingers fantasy to predict armed war and racial conflict but it isn't happening in the UK.
Original post by PendulumBoB
As the numbers of minority groups who don't respect secular law increase they will demand greater autonomy, and mini-vassal states will appear but still remain part of the UK (like Palestine) and things will get pretty tense.


has this already started? Which minority group(s) do you suspect?
People like the BNP and the EDL have been saying stuff like this for ages, but it is all just propoganda to convince people to support them.
Original post by ajtiesto
If there was a civil war, i'd think it would be a racial one. We all know the white British people have these racist attitudes and what with the recession it's all building up. White British people see immigrants as a big threat and I can see them voting for an extreme right wing party maybe like EDL in a political form. Take it from there really.


is there previous form for the british?

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