[josh_cook]

Contradictions in the Genesis.

If God created Adam and Eve without the knowledge of what is right and wrong, in what sense are Adam and Eve to blame in their actions for eating from the tree of knowledge? Without that moral compass which is derived from the tree of knowledge, how can they be blamed for disobeying God? And by extension on what grounds does God have to impose 'Original Sin'?

Discuss.

[TurboCretin]

Monotheistic religion has always sought to simultaneously wound people and offer them the cure for their ails.

[Study]

We talked about this in RS class, even this christian fundamentalist girl got angry when it was said to eve that you gto serve men .

[gltw]

(Original post by josh_cook)
Contradictions in the Genesis.

If God created Adam and Eve without the knowledge of what is right and wrong, in what sense are Adam and Eve to blame in their actions for eating from the tree of knowledge? Without that moral compass which is derived from the tree of knowledge, how can they be blamed for disobeying God? And by extension on what grounds does God have to impose 'Original Sin'?

Discuss.

They were told specifically not to eat the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge, that was their only command. They knew that what they were doing was wrong. They acted in disobedience.

God did not impose original sin, sin entered the world through Adam and this resulted in death, this was passed down through their children.

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned

[ScheduleII]

(Original post by josh_cook)
Contradictions in the Genesis.

If God created Adam and Eve without the knowledge of what is right and wrong, in what sense are Adam and Eve to blame in their actions for eating from the tree of knowledge? Without that moral compass which is derived from the tree of knowledge, how can they be blamed for disobeying God? And by extension on what grounds does God have to impose 'Original Sin'?

Discuss.

They already had one piece of knowledge: that they were forbidden to eat from the tree.

[SnoochToTheBooch]

(Original post by josh_cook)
Contradictions in the Genesis.

If God created Adam and Eve without the knowledge of what is right and wrong, in what sense are Adam and Eve to blame in their actions for eating from the tree of knowledge? Without that moral compass which is derived from the tree of knowledge, how can they be blamed for disobeying God? And by extension on what grounds does God have to impose 'Original Sin'?

Discuss.

it was the snake what done it really.

[AlmostChicGeek]

Can someone please explain to me, if Adam and Eve had two sons, how the rest of the world population came to be?

[josh_cook]

(Original post by gltw)
They were told specifically not to eat the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge, that was their only command. They knew that what they were doing was wrong. They acted in disobedience.

God did not impose original sin, sin entered the world through Adam and this resulted in death, this was passed down through their children.

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned

Well, without the knowledge of what is good and what is evil, then how exactly could Adam and Eve know that disobeying God was wrong?

I'm not really into my fiction, but I'm pretty sure that God threw Adam and Eve out of Eden, and this resulted in them becoming mortal

"Then the Lord God said "Now the man has become like one of us and has knowledge of what is good and what is bad. He must not be allowed to take fruit from the tree that gives life, eat it and live forever. So the lord God sent him out of the Garden of Eden and made him cultivate the soil from which he had been formed."

[josh_cook]

(Original post by ScheduleII)
They already had one piece of knowledge: that they were forbidden to eat from the tree.

They knew God had forbade them, but how could they know that know that disobeying God was wrong?

Is Forbade even a word...

[josh_cook]

(Original post by AlmostChicGeek)
Can someone please explain to me, if Adam and Eve had two sons, how the rest of the world population came to be?

Think Oedipus complex.

[AlmostChicGeek]

(Original post by josh_cook)
Think Oedipus complex.

I'm sure Fundementalist's would not like that idea...

I'm really interested to know their explanation of events....

[gltw]

(Original post by josh_cook)
Well, without the knowledge of what is good and what is evil, then how exactly could Adam and Eve know that disobeying God was wrong?

I'm not really into my fiction, but I'm pretty sure that God threw Adam and Eve out of Eden, and this resulted in them becoming mortal

"Then the Lord God said "Now the man has become like one of us and has knowledge of what is good and what is bad. He must not be allowed to take fruit from the tree that gives life, eat it and live forever. So the lord God sent him out of the Garden of Eden and made him cultivate the soil from which he had been formed."

They knew it was wrong because they were told so.

(Original post by josh_cook)
I'm not really into my fiction

Well I would say evolution is fiction but there is no need to be disrespectful to others beliefs. It was you who started the thread so at least be civil to those answering your question.

[AlmostChicGeek]

(Original post by gltw)
They knew it was wrong because they were told so.



Well I would say evolution is fiction but there is no need to be disrespectful to others beliefs. It was you who started the thread so at least be civil to those answering your question.

Can you please answer my question regarding how the rest of the world's population came about?

[mevidek]

(Original post by josh_cook)
Contradictions in the Genesis.

If God created Adam and Eve without the knowledge of what is right and wrong, in what sense are Adam and Eve to blame in their actions for eating from the tree of knowledge? Without that moral compass which is derived from the tree of knowledge, how can they be blamed for disobeying God? And by extension on what grounds does God have to impose 'Original Sin'?

Discuss.

firstly, don't expect any reasonable answers. Secondly, Christians believe that God is and was all-knowing, so God did know what was right and wrong and therefore could punish them as a result. (Most Christians nowadays don't take genesis literally)

[gltw]

(Original post by AlmostChicGeek)
Can you please answer my question regarding how the rest of the world's population came about?

You did not ask me that but God told Noah and his sons to “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth.” (Genesis 9:3).

After the confusion of languages at the Tower of Babel (Genesis 11), people groups of the same language would have migrated to different parts of the world and needed to adapt to a world that had been drastically altered by the Flood.

[josh_cook]

(Original post by gltw)
They knew it was wrong because they were told so.



Well I would say evolution is fiction but there is no need to be disrespectful to others beliefs. It was you who started the thread so at least be civil to those answering your question.

You must know that "They knew it was wrong because they were told so." makes no sense in the context of my argument. They could only have known they were commanded not to eat from the tree, but not that it was wrong, since they had no understanding of the difference between what is supposedly right and what is wrong. With no prior knowledge of morality, they could not have known what they were doing was wrong, only that they were acting in opposition against God's command, which they could not concieve as being inherently wrong, since they had no knowledge of right and wrong in the first place!

I wasn't being disrespectful, I do believe that the bible is ficticious. Anything book that claims the earth was made in seven days, or that it is only several thousands of years old must be. Lets not even get into Noah's Arc.

[AlmostChicGeek]

(Original post by gltw)
You did not ask me that but God told Noah and his sons to “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth.” (Genesis 9:3).

After the confusion of languages at the Tower of Babel (Genesis 11), people groups of the same language would have migrated to different parts of the world and needed to adapt to a world that had been drastically altered by the Flood.

No. I'm talking about at the very beginning. Adam and Eve had two sons. How did the rest of the world come to be?

[gltw]

(Original post by josh_cook)
You must know that "They knew it was wrong because they were told so." makes no sense in the context of my argument. They could only have known they were commanded not to eat from the tree, but not that it was wrong, since they had no understanding of the difference between what is supposedly right and what is wrong. With no prior knowledge of morality, they could not have known what they were doing was wrong, only that they were acting in opposition against God's command, which they could not concieve as being inherently wrong, since they had no knowledge of right and wrong in the first place!

I wasn't being disrespectful, I do believe that the bible is ficticious. Anything book that claims the earth was made in seven days, or that it is only several thousands of years old must be. Lets not even get into Noah's Arc.

Gen 2:16-17 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, "You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die."


They knew the consequences of their actions was death.

[TurboCretin]

(Original post by gltw)
They knew it was wrong because they were told so.

I think you're talking at cross-purposes. You're saying that the wrong was eating the fruit, whereas the other poster is saying that the wrong was disobeying God. If they had no knowledge of right or wrong other than what they were told, there is a paradox in that they don't know that being disobedient is wrong. Even if God said "you must obey me," and then issued the command, they are under no moral obligation to obey that initial order without a previous order telling them to obey that, and so on ad infinitum.

Essentially, either the evilness of eating the forbidden fruit was self-evident, and the command made no difference to their fate, or it was the disobedience itself which was wrong, and they couldn't have been held responsible for it.

[gltw]

(Original post by AlmostChicGeek)
No. I'm talking about at the very beginning. Adam and Eve had two sons. How did the rest of the world come to be?

Again, a lack of biblical understanding, they had many sons and daughters.

Gen 5:4 The days of Adam after he fathered Seth were 800 years; and he had other sons and daughters.

For believing that the bible is completely fictitious, you don't seem to have read very much.