Half of benefit claimants can't be arsed to work

Can confirm Otkem is the sheltered, mindless product of bad journalism and has probably never met anyone on benefits

Anytime I've actually wanted a crummy job like working at Tesco or something, I've been able to get it quite easily. Just sayin'.

The problem needs to be put within context. The UK benefit system is a national embarrassment but the productive portion of the economy has been so distorted that working for living in many cases no longer makes sense. The Tory answer seems to consist of reducing benefits and telling the unemployed to 'get on their bike', but if the jobs aren't there and the wages don't cover basic living costs these solutions are unrealistic.

We need nothing short of an economic revolution to sort the system out, there are too many rent-seekers, too many laws and too many people that want to syphon off obscene amounts of wealth without providing anything in return.

your not bashing the landlords again are you?!

But Bill, basic land monopolies are directly responsible for the economic crash and the wretched plight of the benefit classes, why wouldn't I want to attack state based privileges?

Why would somebody substitute cash benefits and benefits in kind worth maybe £250 a week for a waged income that after tax only pays £200? And put up with all the costs and hassle that go with it?

It's not that benefit claimants are bad people, they've been let down appallingly by a morally bankrupt system that has no workable solution to these basic mathematical problems.

Why would somebody substitute cash benefits and benefits in kind worth maybe £250 a week for a waged income that after tax only pays £200? And put up with all the costs and hassle that go with it?

It's not that benefit claimants are bad people, they've been let down appallingly by a morally bankrupt system that has no workable solution to these basic mathematical problems.

Benefit fraud costs the taxpayer £1 billion

Tax evasion cost the taxpayer £7-10billion

Priorities in order?

your taking the incentive out of a capitalist system. I thought you was against socialism!?

That should never happen. That is why the negative income tax is so much better than the crazy benefits system we have now.

No, the capitalist incentive is profit. I'm arguing for the complete privatisation of all profit to help genuine capitalists with a complementary tax on land/resource rents to maintain the state. If Mr Gates operated under the system I advocate for example his tax bill would only be fraction of what it is now, but the U.S think it's a sensible idea to punish wealth and success.

Of course, that is not the case at all, and it is not what your link is claiming.
In terms of this scheme, why should companies like Tesco get free labour? If they need someone to do a job, why don't they actually hire someone? That way, you also help solve the issue of high unemployment we have (by actually offering people real jobs).

where does the profit go!?

Into private pockets, exactly where it should go. I'm just arguing for a bit of fair competition and lower barriers to entry.

where do private pockets put it!? dont say consumer goods.

I don't know Bill, that's down to the individual. Does it matter where the profits go? Where should they go, in your opinion?

I believe in private property & what it stands for. I believe the individual at the bottom should be able to amass his own private property and freely do with it what he wishes. If it be for him to work all his life buy 2-3 properties & rent them and have an easy retirement. Just like the queen. Then fairplay. I dont mean in over taxing the individuals rights to property to discourage him from working & obtaining bricks & mortar or any other tangible investment.