[Ayshizzle]

(Original post by Picnic1)
So tell me what this process is for making something out of nothing.

Well by using that logic a deity can't have come from nothing either. So where did the deity come from?

[c471]

The biggest issue is actually the evolution and complexity in science. most people are ignorant to science in any proper way, so beliefs tend to have little solid scientific basis.

the idea of sciences basis in fact is only partially true. much of the relevant theories are simply extentions based on maths. We think of an idea and test what we can that this theory predicts. If these hold true we extend it, to things we cannot test (behaviour of black holes for example).

of course, lots of this is best guessing. for all we know, our understanding of some fairly big ideas, such as quantum theory may be approximating to correct in the aspects we have tested, but not hold true for other aspects we predict to occur but cannot observe. just like the speed of light could potentially turn out not to be the universal speed limit, which means relativity needs to be updated. science is highly unlikely to have all the major ideas correct.

my point being that the atheist stand point mentioned above of 'science is fact, religion is an unsubstantiated leap' cant really be considered fool proof logic. science obvserves some very strange things, which essentially leave the community going 'WTF? how does that happen?'. scientists have to use their thoughts and intuition to follow ideas based on their past experiences, that have little to no supporting evidence. Then potentially follow this idea their entire life.

If god does not sit well with you, thats fine. However, assuming science is fact and disproves higher powers, life after death etc, is probably largely creditting science with achievements it hasnt made. I am an agnostic btw, so no vested interested. Also, i dislike the idea of basing my entire lifes standpoint and possibly enternal suffering or not on something i just take at face value. just like other big decisions an informed decision is far better than deciding i trust scientists more.

[Agenda Suicide]

Funny how people say ATHEISTS HOW DID SOMETHING COME FROM NOTHING?

I then ask if everything HAS to be created and come from something, who made God?

[MissBlueskys]

It wasn't from nothing it was from a Hydrogen atome and energy (Something about a Higgs Boson) Sorry my science isn't good enough to explain better. Just wondering why Atheist are always joined to the Big Bang theory? Are we no allowed to create our own? Use a little imagination

[lambert1]

The same way theists do by saying if God can come from nothing then so can the universe.

[noisy06]

(Original post by Agenda Suicide)
Funny how people say ATHEISTS HOW DID SOMETHING COME FROM NOTHING?

I then ask if everything HAS to be created and come from something, who made God?

Do you think that an infinite regress of creators is possible? (out of interest)

[Cringe]

(Original post by Ayshizzle)
Well by using that logic a deity can't have come from nothing either. So where did the deity come from?

that question is illogical, why would you question an all-powerful beings ability to appear from nothing?

[Agenda Suicide]

(Original post by noisy06)
Do you think that an infinite regress of creators is possible? (out of interest)

I guess it is possible, but I don't believe in it at all.

Infact, I think creators are a little crazy but yeah.

[c471]

(Original post by MissBlueskys)
It wasn't from nothing it was from a Hydrogen atome and energy (Something about a Higgs Boson) Sorry my science isn't good enough to explain better. Just wondering why Atheist are always joined to the Big Bang theory? Are we no allowed to create our own? Use a little imagination

im not sure you quite understand. the big bang theory tends to be accepted as refferring to the creation of time and space, not just matter (ie hydrogen).

I will not bother explaining, it is a long, not as simple as it seems theory.

dark matter is not 'nothing'. the clue is in the name. matter ie stuff.
It is a concept originally brought around to explain our serious apparent lack of matter in the universe for the effects we observe.

[Ayshizzle]

(Original post by Cringe)
that question is illogical, why would you question an all-powerful beings ability to appear from nothing?

Because people keep insisting something can't come from nothing. Is a deity something? I don't think it could be nothing!

[Freier._.lance]

(Original post by ISS2508)
Stephen Hawkings has proven that there can be something from nothing. There is 'nothing' at this present moment and that is called dark matter. I think the world of science would understand religious people abit better if they actually took the time to also learn and discover what science has to say... because its isn't bull and it is very interesting.

If that is true, then I imagine he'd be receiving a Nobel-Prize is theoretical Physics shortly....something I highly doubt .

[ISS2508]

(Original post by Freier._.lance)
If that is true, then I imagine he'd be receiving a Nobel-Prize is theoretical Physics shortly....something I highly doubt .

Well I would have guessed he did... did you even bother reading the rest of what I wrote?