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So would China feel that having a nuclear bomb dropped on it would be less of a problem if they were able to do the same to the country that dropped the bomb? Switzerland feels that non-nuclear weaponry should be a quite adequate threat. Although Weaponry of any sort should be a last resort
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So would China feel that having a nuclear bomb dropped on it would be less of a problem if they were able to do the same to the country that dropped the bomb? Switzerland feels that non-nuclear weaponry should be a quite adequate threat. Although Weaponry of any sort should be a last resort

Unfortunately, with the advance in anti-projectile technology, non-nuclear weapons are not considered very threatning. The nuclear weapons act as a deterrence, hence dis-influencing any nation to attack Germany with nuclear weapons.
Reply 42
China feels safe from nuclear weapons because countries know we would simply wipe them out with us - theres no sense in launching a weapon that would kill yourself aswell. However, supposing China disarmed and it turned out I dont know er.. Russia did not disarm one of its nukes. Russia must automatically be appeased at all times, because no country can challenge it. Any country who thinks its safe and there is enough trust in the world for disarming all nuclear weapons is being naive.
Reply 43
Greece regards this a most serious matter - it is not neccesary for any nation to be seeking Nuclear armament, particularly a member of NATO. Whilst Germany is, indeed, a peace-loving nation, this does not give it a right for proliferation. Greece also regards the 'terrorist threat' reasoning as a poor excuse, as, as has been raised by other members, Germany will probably find that Nuclear weapons do not prevent terrorism - as our freinds in Israel will testify.

Germany must also be reminded that, as a result of previous events, it should forego its right to be a major military force.
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aaronc2
Germany must also be reminded that, as a result of previous events, it should forego its right to be a major military force.

The Republic of Sierra Leone assumes that the "previous events" Greece is referring to is World War Two. This is not relevant in current debate. Although WW2 must not be forgotten, the Republic feels that it has no place in debating whether a country should have nuclear weapons.
Reply 45
China reminds Greece that World War Two was caused by Nazi Germany, not Germany Germany, where the Nazis rose to power through a gap in the Weimar Consititution. There is no danger of that happening in Germany today.
Reply 46
brimstone1
The Republic of Sierra Leone assumes that the "previous events" Greece is referring to is World War Two. This is not relevant in current debate. Although WW2 must not be forgotten, the Republic feels that it has no place in debating whether a country should have nuclear weapons.


Greece disagrees wholeheartedly - events of merely 60 years ago cannot be disregarded - the member for Sierra Leone is advised to check his history textbooks as to what happened after WW1
Reply 47
aaronc2
Greece disagrees wholeheartedly - events of merely 60 years ago cannot be disregarded - the member for Sierra Leone is advised to check his history textbooks as to what happened after WW1

Yes - the Republic agrees these events cannot be disregarded. We feel that they have no place in debate in the United Nations today. Germany is no longer controlled by the Nazis, and they do not pose a threat to the rest of Europe. Therefore, the Second World War is not relevant in this debate.
Reply 48
Greece does not propose that Germany is likely to become fascist in the near future, but does propose that is is entirely unnecessary for Germany to be pursuing this aim, and its leaders should perhaps accept that as a result of previous aggresion the international commmunity is likely to be even less accepting of such intentions
Reply 49
Greece regards this a most serious matter - it is not neccesary for any nation to be seeking Nuclear armament, particularly a member of NATO. Whilst Germany is, indeed, a peace-loving nation, this does not give it a right for proliferation. Greece also regards the 'terrorist threat' reasoning as a poor excuse, as, as has been raised by other members, Germany will probably find that Nuclear weapons do not prevent terrorism - as our freinds in Israel will testify.

Germany must also be reminded that, as a result of previous events, it should forego its right to be a major military force.

Germany would like to remind Greece that the nuclear weapons are only to be used in retaliation to a nuclear attack, only if NATO does not act itself. The Israeli-Palestenian analogy is invalidated as Palestine does not have nuclear weapons and Isreal would inevitably harm itself attacking Palestine.
Germany would also like to remind Greece that 'Nazi Germany' is nonexistant and that the action of it and it's government cannot shadow the actions of the Republic of Germany which has a seperate government.
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China feels Germany has a position of trust now in the International community, it is the third largest contributor to the UN regular budget, and as such commands respect from the community.
Reply 51
Turkey is concerned that given the “negotiations” with Iran, Germany may be viewed as a signifier of Western hypocrisy. This would no doubt provide a negative incentive and a trump card with which the Islamic Republic would exploit, should negotiations resume.
Reply 52
Greece once again questions the purpose of this ambition, Germany must be, after all, quite a way down Al-Qaeda's 'most wanted', and planned nuclear retaliation is dangerous and counter-productive
Reply 53
Jacques Derrida
Turkey is concerned that given the “negotiations” with Iran, Germany may be viewed as a signifier of Western hypocrisy. This would no doubt provide a negative incentive and a trump card with which the Islamic Republic would exploit, should negotiations resume.


Greece shares these concerns
Reply 54
China suggests they may be becoming more of a target as they voted to refer Iran to the security council.
Reply 55
Greece once again questions the purpose of this ambition, Germany must be, after all, quite a way down Al-Qaeda's 'most wanted', and planned nuclear retaliation is dangerous and counter-productive

To the best of its knowledge, Germany does not believe that Al-Qaeda possesses nuclear arms. Germany is instead concerned with Iran which has already 'threatened' Isreal.
Reply 56
aaronc2
Greece once again questions the purpose of this ambition, Germany must be, after all, quite a way down Al-Qaeda's 'most wanted', and planned nuclear retaliation is dangerous and counter-productive

The Republic of Sierra Leone asks how does Greece know what Al-Qaeda is planning in the future? Although Germany has criticised US tactics and Guantanamo Bay, it does not mean that it has been declared "unattackable" by Al-Qaeda.
Reply 57
Would the member for Germany not agree that it in the unlikely event that Iran DID attack Germany with nuclear weapons, it would be unwise to retaliate, and that NATO would be able to choose an appropriate response.

If so, how can the member justify his governments ambitions?
Reply 58
China would like to remind Greece that he has already said that it is only if they consider NATO's response inappropriate. In this circumstance, why is it unwise to retaliate?
Reply 59
Would the member for Germany not agree that it in the unlikely event that Iran DID attack Germany with nuclear weapons, it would be unwise to retaliate, and that NATO would be able to choose an appropriate response.

If so, how can the member justify his governments ambitions?

Germany also observes other nuclear threats to it's self.
Let me reiterate Germany's plan:
(1) Germany holds talks with NATO and other such organisations, looking for solutions to its nuclear vunerability. If an agreement cannot be reached or if Germany is unsatisfied it,
(2) Plans and develops nuclear arms.
In the case of a nuclear attack,
(1) Germany contacts NATO even if the previous step (1) was unsuccessful.
(2) If NATO does not act or acts inadequately, Germany takes action.
In effect, Germany also hopes that the nuclear arms act as a deterrent decreasing the probability of a nuclear attack from a potential nation.

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