[Deshi]

(Original post by Darth Vader 7)
To be honest, I'm not going to answer any of your replies. It's clear that you have your Liverpool tinted glasses on and are completely biased regardless of anything that I say or would have said.

All I will say is I pity you guys. I actually used to think the majority of the Liverpool fanbase was decent but it looks likes it's just encapsulated by mass delusion.

Jog on mate.



This thread Don't know why we're arguing amongst each other so much.

[ChrisWilliams]

Apparently a decision on whether we stay at Anfield or go to a new stadium is likely very soon, with people putting their money behind us staying at Anfield.

[So Instinct]

(Original post by Darth Vader 7)
Lets be honest, it doesn't matter what I say now. It's clear that the majority believe that 8-9 Liverpool players would walk into the Arsenal eleven. The same Arsenal eleven that is 13 points above Liverpool. You can't expect me to be serious when that's the general consensus.

Yeah but what your not seeing is that we said your 13 points ahead because you have what we need. You disagree which is fine.
What I'm trying to say is that when you look at it Liverpool make a **** ton of chances we just can't put them away. Your quite the opposite, take the Arsenal and Liverpool game. We were pretty dominant, had a **** ton of chances but couldn't score to save our lives.
You had about 3 chances in the game and scored 2. You won the game, but I wouldn't say you played better.
That's why I'm saying your strike force is superior, but that's it.

[Zerforax]

(Original post by ChrisWilliams)
Apparently a decision on whether we stay at Anfield or go to a new stadium is likely very soon, with people putting their money behind us staying at Anfield.

Tbh my guess is:

1. Can't find a party to pay enough money in naming rights relative to our spend.
2. The time scale for new plans is too far away
3. The current plans aren't perfect for what FSG want to do
4. Not enough season ticket/box demand to build massive new capacity
5. Association with Anfield
6. Can always build a new stadium in 10 years time
7. Our current lack of success, Carling Cup notwithstanding/no CL football straight away which means we won't be filling seats/boxes straight away

[ChrisWilliams]

(Original post by Zerforax)
Tbh my guess is:

1. Can't find a party to pay enough money in naming rights relative to our spend.
2. The time scale for new plans is too far away
3. The current plans aren't perfect for what FSG want to do
4. Not enough season ticket/box demand to build massive new capacity
5. Association with Anfield
6. Can always build a new stadium in 10 years time
7. Our current lack of success, Carling Cup notwithstanding/no CL football straight away which means we won't be filling seats/boxes straight away

Sorry, meant redeveloping Anfield, not leaving it at 45k.

[Darth Vader 7]

(Original post by Pn94)
If you're gonna come into an LFC thread you have to expect bias.

You may be 13 pts ahead (and yes, you're obviously the better team atm) but do you really think there's that big a gulf in quality? Man for man?

Did I say that? Your just making stuff up to suit your argument. If you read my post correctly, I said categorically better. Can you name one?

The only decent reply out of the lot was Zerforax. He actually understood the point of my post. However, the majority just attacked me and ridiculed me for even proposing that there are players better than the ones Liverpool have.

[Pn94]

(Original post by ChrisWilliams)
Apparently a decision on whether we stay at Anfield or go to a new stadium is likely very soon, with people putting their money behind us staying at Anfield.

Would like a new ground but not too fussed if we stay at Anfield as long as we get it to 60k+ and have a few corporate boxes added in.

[So Instinct]

(Original post by Rainy)

Ah, the only Chicken Licken I had heard of before that was a fried chicken shop. Thus the confusion, lol.

[lifeshard]

(Original post by So Instinct)
Yeah but what your not seeing is that we said your 13 points ahead because you have what we need. You disagree which is fine.
What I'm trying to say is that when you look at it Liverpool make a **** ton of chances we just can't put them away. Your quite the opposite, take the Arsenal and Liverpool game. We were pretty dominant, had a **** ton of chances but couldn't score to save our lives.
You had about 3 chances in the game and scored 2. You won the game, but I wouldn't say you played better.
That's why I'm saying your strike force is superior, but that's it.

Mate, don't try so hard to make him understand. It's a simple concept really and entirely true. Arsenal are only superior because of RVP. Fair enough, they have him and we don't so they deserve to be up there but acting as if the entire Arsenal 11 is superior in every way possible just because your 13 points ahead is ridiculous. Much like i'd prefer RVP over Adebayor even though (up until recently) Tottenham were a massive 12 points adrift of Arsenal. Does that mean the entire Tottenham team is miles ahead of Arsenal in terms of quality? And it's showing up now. The year we won the CL, were we really the best team in Europe? Faaar from it but according to Darth Vader the fact that we won it should say otherwise. There are a million factors in these kinds of things man and it's not as simple as, Arsenal are 13 points ahead therefore, Song is a better DM than Lucas, Verma/Kos is a better CB partnership than Agger/Skrtel and AOX is a better player than Suarez , Kieren Gibbs is far superior to Enrique, Rosisky/Ramsey/Arteta are better players than Gerrard, Wojech is a better keeper than Reina. None of which is even remotely true. If we were 20 points ahead of Arsenal would Darth Vader claim Andy Carroll is a better striker than RVP?

[ChrisWilliams]

(Original post by Pn94)
Would like a new ground but not too fussed if we stay at Anfield as long as we get it to 60k+ and have a few corporate boxes added in.

The club has done it's homework and 60-65k is the maximum we can hope for with any new capacity. Building a new stadium for just 15k or so new seats doesn't make it financially viable, plus with the council's ideas to knock down a load of houses around the ground and rebuild the area around it the redevelopment could be ideal. An incremental redevelopment would make more sense financially than a big new stadium.

[lifeshard]

(Original post by Darth Vader 7)
Did I say that? Your just making stuff up to suit your argument. If you read my post correctly, I said categorically better. Can you name one?

The only decent reply out of the lot was Zerforax. He actually understood the point of my post. However, the majority just attacked me and ridiculed me for even proposing that there are players better than the ones Liverpool have.

Dude your question was answered. You have three players (RVP, AOX and Sagna) that we would universally prefer over the ones we have, whereas we proposed we have up to 7 players that would make the Arsenal team better. You can't even refute it. You just went on about how much you hate Liverpool fans because they disagree with you. Grow up mate. Learn how to have a discussion without becoming tiresomely cliched. We get it, Liverpool fans are deluded. But your quesiton was answered. Don't pretend.

[Gob Bluth]

(Original post by Darth Vader 7)
Did I say that? Your just making stuff up to suit your argument. If you read my post correctly, I said categorically better. Can you name one?

The only decent reply out of the lot was Zerforax. He actually understood the point of my post. However, the majority just attacked me and ridiculed me for even proposing that there are players better than the ones Liverpool have.

It's quite obvious that both teams are at a similar level. The team ChrisWilliams picked had 5 and 6 of players from both clubs. To say Liverpool have a far better side is delusional as is the other way round.

[Pn94]

(Original post by Darth Vader 7)
Did I say that? Your just making stuff up to suit your argument. If you read my post correctly, I said categorically better. Can you name one?

The only decent reply out of the lot was Zerforax. He actually understood the point of my post. However, the majority just attacked me and ridiculed me for even proposing that there are players better than the ones Liverpool have.

Your team is 'evidently better', you said - I assumed you were talking about your first 11. And categorically? I'd think Gerrard, Suarez, Enrique and one of Agger/Skrtel if you really want an answer, but it's not my argument so w/e.

(Original post by ChrisWilliams)
The club has done it's homework and 60-65k is the maximum we can hope for with any new capacity. Building a new stadium for just 15k or so new seats doesn't make it financially viable, plus with the council's ideas to knock down a load of houses around the ground and rebuild the area around it the redevelopment could be ideal. An incremental redevelopment would make more sense financially than a big new stadium.

I've heard the council are refurbishing them or something? Which could be bad for any potential new rebuild? I don't see why it's so hard to knock them down tbh, 90% of them are boarded up anyway.

[ChrisWilliams]

(Original post by Pn94)
I've heard the council are refurbishing them or something? Which could be bad for any potential new rebuild? I don't see why it's so hard to knock them down tbh, 90% of them are boarded up anyway.

Knocking some down but refurbishing others as some are derelict and not fit to live in. The area it covers is just short of the roads just behind the main stand, which would leave a few rows left between the regenerated area the council have done and Anfield, which could possibly lead to the club buying those houses and linking the two phases together.

That being said Anfield's capacity can be increased slightly as it is now. The seating in the main stand is awful, it still has wooden seats in ffs! The corners of the Anfield Road End are terrible too and I've hated it when I've been sat on the Centenary side of it, always get a crick in my next by full time!

[lifeshard]

(Original post by ChrisWilliams)
Knocking some down but refurbishing others as some are derelict and not fit to live in. The area it covers is just short of the roads just behind the main stand, which would leave a few rows left between the regenerated area the council have done and Anfield, which could possibly lead to the club buying those houses and linking the two phases together.

That being said Anfield's capacity can be increased slightly as it is now. The seating in the main stand is awful, it still has wooden seats in ffs! The corners of the Anfield Road End are terrible too and I've hated it when I've been sat on the Centenary side of it, always get a crick in my next by full time!

Do you think we should get a brand new stadium? I don't know, I want us to but i'm afraid of losing Anfields magic. Especially if the new stadium doesn't even get to be called Anfield. Omg horrific thought, imagine if it's called something as terrible as Sports Direct Arena What would we do without the This is Anfield sign? I want a new stadium because I feel Anfield is miles behind some of the better stadiums in the Etihad, Emirates and Old Trafford and we do have the capability to fill out a 60,000 seat stadium. If City and Arsenal can, then we can. Do you think refurbishing Anfield is possible? I tend to shy away from that because of the way it would directly inflict with our league campaign. Essentially we wouldn't be able to properly ''play at home''.

[ChrisWilliams]

(Original post by lifeshard)
Do you think we should get a brand new stadium? I don't know, I want us to but i'm afraid of losing Anfields magic. Especially if the new stadium doesn't even get to be called Anfield. Omg horrific thought, imagine if it's called something as terrible as Sports Direct Arena What would we do without the This is Anfield sign? I want a new stadium because I feel Anfield is miles behind some of the better stadiums in the Etihad, Emirates and Old Trafford and we do have the capability to fill out a 60,000 seat stadium. If City and Arsenal can, then we can. Do you think refurbishing Anfield is possible? I tend to shy away from that because of the way it would directly inflict with our league campaign. Essentially we wouldn't be able to properly ''play at home''.

It all comes down to cost. If it's more cost efficient to build a new stadium then we go with that, more cost efficient to redevelop Anfield then go with that. Anfield can be expanded, there are just several loops that we have to jump through first but we can do that if the cost dictates it. It wouldn't conflict with the league campaign too much either, we might have reduced capacity for a short while as it'd be done on a stand by stand basis per season but in the long run we'd be able to have slightly increased capacities throughout the season. I'm not the person to comment, I don't know the complexities of it all nor all the risks involved but if it were me I'd look to see what we can get out of Anfield first before looking at a new build.

[Darth Vader 7]

(Original post by lifeshard)
Dude your question was answered. You have three players (RVP, AOX and Sagna) that we would universally prefer over the ones we have, whereas we proposed we have up to 7 players that would make the Arsenal team better. You can't even refute it. You just went on about how much you hate Liverpool fans because they disagree with you. Grow up mate. Learn how to have a discussion without becoming tiresomely cliched. We get it, Liverpool fans are deluded. But your quesiton was answered. Don't pretend.

This is like arguing with a brick wall.

(Original post by Pn94)
Your team is 'evidently better', you said - I assumed you were talking about your first 11. And categorically? I'd think Gerrard, Suarez, Enrique and one of Agger/Skrtel if you really want an answer, but it's not my argument so w/e.

Well, the evidence suggest that Arsenal are better, is that true or not? I'm interested to know what players are supposed to be displaced by the four/five you suggested.

Gerrard is not categorically better than Wilshere or Rosicky at this moment in time.

I'm assuming you're referring to Suarez as a winger. Why change the position that he has played for most of the season to accommodate a place in the Arsenal eleven? I'm pretty sure he has played as a striker/CF for most of your games and in that respect, surely RVP is better?

Enrique is a good player, no doubt about it. Categorically better than Santos... Could swing either way.

Vermaelan/Koscielny partnership has been just as good as the Agger/Skrtel partnership.

[Pn94]

(Original post by ChrisWilliams)
Knocking some down but refurbishing others as some are derelict and not fit to live in. The area it covers is just short of the roads just behind the main stand, which would leave a few rows left between the regenerated area the council have done and Anfield, which could possibly lead to the club buying those houses and linking the two phases together.

That being said Anfield's capacity can be increased slightly as it is now. The seating in the main stand is awful, it still has wooden seats in ffs! The corners of the Anfield Road End are terrible too and I've hated it when I've been sat on the Centenary side of it, always get a crick in my next by full time!

(Original post by lifeshard)
Do you think we should get a brand new stadium? I don't know, I want us to but i'm afraid of losing Anfields magic. Especially if the new stadium doesn't even get to be called Anfield. Omg horrific thought, imagine if it's called something as terrible as Sports Direct Arena What would we do without the This is Anfield sign? I want a new stadium because I feel Anfield is miles behind some of the better stadiums in the Etihad, Emirates and Old Trafford and we do have the capability to fill out a 60,000 seat stadium. If City and Arsenal can, then we can. Do you think refurbishing Anfield is possible? I tend to shy away from that because of the way it would directly inflict with our league campaign. Essentially we wouldn't be able to properly ''play at home''.

Yeah, a lot of restricted views in the Anfield road end it seems & in the main stand with those pillars.

It's a tough, tough decision tbh. I think if pushed I'd prefer a new stadium but it'd have to incorporate a proper Kop & have some unique features. I wouldn't want a generic bowl.

[R-KAM]

(Original post by Zerforax)


Just gtfo

I despair sometimes, I really do.

Nonsense. Kenny is ****ing horrific. You have literally no argument against him. I think MON is limited, but to facepalm, tell me to GTFO and despair over it, ridiculous and flat out deluded

[Pn94]

(Original post by Darth Vader 7)
Well, the evidence suggest that Arsenal are better, is that true or not? I'm interested to know what players are supposed to be displaced by the four/five you suggested.

Gerrard is not categorically better than Wilshere or Rosicky at this moment in time.

I'm assuming you're referring to Suarez as a winger. Why change the position that he has played for most of the season to accommodate a place in the Arsenal eleven? I'm pretty sure he has played as a striker/CF for most of your games and in that respect, surely RVP is better?

Enrique is a good player, no doubt about it. Categorically better than Santos... Could swing either way.

Vermaelan/Koscielny partnership has been just as good as the Agger/Skrtel partnership.

Gerrard alongside Wilshere. Rosicky's had a few good games but he's been ****e for years previously hasn't he? Gerrard's the better player. And Suarez would be in the attack alongside RVP (mouthwatering) ahead of Walcott/Gervinho.

I'll admit I haven't got a clue about whether Santos is any good but he sounds ****e and I haven't heard much about him so I'll say Enrique.

For me, Agger & Vermaelen would make a perfect pair.

A few other positions are debatable. Reina would make the GK spot but he's been average this season + Johnson/Sagna is debatable & I forgot to put Lucas.