[Zerforax]

(Original post by Mess.)
Suarez is a horribly selfish player and it is especially noticeable when you are at the match and you can see the players in acres of space who he could easily pass to. Instead he tries to run through players as opposed to even trying to run around them. Suarez needs to look at what Messi does and how Messi brings players in to the game whilst taking he opposition out. Suarez isn't on that level but he has a similar style and could easily be a much better influence for us.

The other problem with Suarez taking a lot of players on and doing a lot of tracking back and generic 'workrate' is that he lacks that explosive end product after taking 4 players on or chasing a load of players down all game. Henry used to say he would wander about almost aimlessley when the opposition had the ball so he could conserve his explosive power for when it was needed and so he would still have it in the last minute.

Suarez has high work rate when he's anticipating a mistake or trying to induce one by causing a mistake but his work rate elsewhere is poor. At the game against Newcastle, he shouldve been tracking back and covering the left flank imo (even if Shelvey was playing on the left).

[DannyBoy123]

(Original post by Zerforax)
Interesting points but imo Suarez shouldn't be a focal point of our side. He looks creative because he beats his man but tbh his shooting has been woeful or instead he tries to run past the rest of the opposition and then loses the ball.

Shouldnt be able trying to be flashy and do it all alone, should be able making the right decision as and then, which imo Suarez fails to do.

Sorry but I disagree completely. Every time Suarez has played in a side with creative, intelligent players he has been world class or close to it, be it for Ajax, for us last season or for Uruguay with Forlan and Cavani. He's trying to do it all himself because the players around him are neither technically good enough nor intelligent enough to read his game. Look at Messi at Barcelona - he will beat 3 people and have someone to pass to...Suarez beats 3 people and has to take a ridiculous off balance shot because Carroll is loping around the centre circle like a 3 legged donkey.

He's our best player and one of the best in the Premier League. His style suits exactly the kind of football we want Liverpool to play. We'd be absolutely foolish NOT to build the team around his strengths.

[Pn94]

That is a fantastic post & sums it all up - Carroll needs to be ****ed off in the summer and I think everyone knows it, including Kenny. It's been a joke of a transfer in every way possible.

I think we saw a different Suarez last year tbh, synonomous with the football we were playing & the players around him; Kuyt, Maxi, Meireles - all intelligent footballers. Compare that to this season where he's got the brain dead donkey Carroll along with Henderson & Downing playing alongside him and there's been a noticeable decline in his performance. I think it's simple- put Suarez alongside footballers who are on his wavelength in order get the best out of him.

[Tommyjw]

(Original post by DannyBoy123)
Sorry but I disagree completely. Every time Suarez has played in a side with creative, intelligent players he has been world class or close to it, be it for Ajax, for us last season or for Uruguay with Forlan and Cavani.

This would explain his lack of goal scoring opportunities created by other people, the lack of link up play he gets etc all which would be true.

This doesnt explain his general lack of decisiveness, finishing, and general motivation and workrate all of which are their criticisms of him that have been made by people and are true. Essentially it was he is selfish, makes wrong decisions and doesnt work hard enough', these are things that other players form around you wouldnt really have an impact on.

[lifeshard]

(Original post by DannyBoy123)
Sorry but I disagree completely. Every time Suarez has played in a side with creative, intelligent players he has been world class or close to it, be it for Ajax, for us last season or for Uruguay with Forlan and Cavani. He's trying to do it all himself because the players around him are neither technically good enough nor intelligent enough to read his game. Look at Messi at Barcelona - he will beat 3 people and have someone to pass to...Suarez beats 3 people and has to take a ridiculous off balance shot because Carroll is loping around the centre circle like a 3 legged donkey.

He's our best player and one of the best in the Premier League. His style suits exactly the kind of football we want Liverpool to play. We'd be absolutely foolish NOT to build the team around his strengths.

I think this is exactly right. If we play to Suarez's strengths we will do well (as we did last season, 2nd on the form guide), if we play to Carrolls strength I fear we will never get out of this rut. Suarez is one of our only truly world class players who could walk into any side, it doesn't make sense to disregard this and play for Carroll to thrive just because he cost 35m. What does thriving even mean for Carroll? Scoring a goal every 6 months?

Last season Suarez was still an abject finisher, see the Arsenal game for proof. He was off his head, blasting the ball wide at every oppurtunity. But every other aspect of his game was almost untouchable. This is why we need a couple of new players who are better versions of Maxi and Miereles. Selling Miereles has proven to be a ridiculous decision but in all honesty, i'm not sure Kenny would have even played him enough if he did stay.

[lifeshard]

(Original post by Tommyjw)
This would explain his lack of goal scoring opportunities created by other people, the lack of link up play he gets etc all which would be true.

This doesnt explain his general lack of decisiveness, finishing, and general motivation and workrate all of which are their criticisms of him that have been made by people and are true. Essentially it was he is selfish, makes wrong decisions and doesnt work hard enough', these are things that other players form around you wouldnt really have an impact on.

You can never critisize Suarez for his workrate. He has good motivation, he always wants to win. This is the biggest critisicm of him you'll find from every club he's been to, sometimes he wants to win too much hence all the diving, cheating and aggresion.

His biggest problem is his finishing. He can't finish the most basic one on one chances these days. For example, in the Carling Cup final he was one on one with the keeper. Should shoot but instead tries to go for the spectacular and chip it over the goalkeeper and fails miserabely, his general composure in front of goal is questionable but these are things that can easily be improved. If Suarez had a number 9 to work with him in the final 3rd, Suarez would swell in confidence and not have to do so much himself.

But I don't think anyone can say Suarez doesn't work hard enough.

[JoeK]

I'd quote my post about Suarez from before, but it basically says that you play a group of intelligent footballers together, and you'll see results. The front four that we played for the second half of last season were all on the same wavelength, and they were scoring for fun. This season, Suarez is one step ahead of virtually everyone in our attack. Yes he's selfish, but a large part of that comes down to nobody keeping up with him. Look at him at Ajax, a team full of technical and intelligent players and he was scoring for fun. If you're going to bring in the weaker league argument, he's the same for Uruguay. Another team of intelligent, technically able players.

That Carroll post from the last page is pretty much bang on as well.

[bluenose14]

(Original post by ChrisWilliams)
17 years.

Maybe, but at least we don't have your shame.

[lifeshard]

Spanish magazine Marca think Glen Johnson will be a top summer target for Mourinho.

http://www.marca.com/2012/04/03/futb...333464242.html

English translation:

Although Jose Mourinho has repeatedly refused to publicly confirm its continuity at Real Madrid next year - "I have two years left on his contract and I have nothing to answer questions that make no sense," he said last Friday, The club plans to target the next season under the designs of the Portuguese, in addition to first team coach, is also general manager of the club.

As development marks before last Christmas, the priority is to strengthen Mourinho the right side. When the Portuguese arrived at Real Madrid wanted to sign a '2 'although Sergio Ramos then seemed indisputable in that position. The Brazilian Maicon, with which he was champion of Europe with Inter, was chosen. Mourinho Florentino pressed to make an extra effort by the defense of New Hamburg, but found that when the white president seemed willing to take the final step, Maicon up their requests.

Therefore, and because their performance is down, when not long ago the name has come back Maicon on market movements, Mourinho did not want to know anything about it.

When put on the table options to the right side there is a name that follows Mourinho: English Glen Johnson. Little remains of the defense that did not quite convince Mou in London.

Johnson, who turns 28 in August, agreed with Mourinho at Chelsea. He had enough presence in the 2004-05 season (28 games, six of them in the Champions League), but then lost weight Mourinho plans while Paulo Ferreira became the owner the right side.

Chelsea went to Portsmouth, where he played 99 games and showed the level that had led him to Stamford Bridge from West Ham United. On June 22, 2009, at the request of Rafa Benitez, the Liverpool disbursed 18 million pounds to become Anfield team player.

Johnson is in love with Spain and more than once expressed his desire to someday play in our league. Has long had a house in Andalusia and defended quite well when he has to dip into the Castilian, something you do often with Pepe Reina.

Another advantage is its character. The Liverpool side has nothing to do with the classic image of English football, so tight that suffers a lot when you leave your country, that few succeed away from the islands. Within the Liverpool dressing room, is the Latin of the English players. Today, Johnson's defense is much left out of Mourinho's Chelsea in the summer of 2006.

Johnson is not the only option on the technical working of the white team to strengthen the right side. Within the Premier's another '2 'which follows, ND Walker, Tottenham defender dexter, which debuted for his country against Spain on 12 November.

Moreover, in the White House is paying special attention to young talents are sprouting in the German teams.

Who is Madrids right back anyway?

[CB91]

(Original post by lifeshard)
Spanish magazine Marca think Glen Johnson will be a top summer target for Mourinho.

http://www.marca.com/2012/04/03/futb...333464242.html

English translation:

Although Jose Mourinho has repeatedly refused to publicly confirm its continuity at Real Madrid next year - "I have two years left on his contract and I have nothing to answer questions that make no sense," he said last Friday, The club plans to target the next season under the designs of the Portuguese, in addition to first team coach, is also general manager of the club.

As development marks before last Christmas, the priority is to strengthen Mourinho the right side. When the Portuguese arrived at Real Madrid wanted to sign a '2 'although Sergio Ramos then seemed indisputable in that position. The Brazilian Maicon, with which he was champion of Europe with Inter, was chosen. Mourinho Florentino pressed to make an extra effort by the defense of New Hamburg, but found that when the white president seemed willing to take the final step, Maicon up their requests.

Therefore, and because their performance is down, when not long ago the name has come back Maicon on market movements, Mourinho did not want to know anything about it.

When put on the table options to the right side there is a name that follows Mourinho: English Glen Johnson. Little remains of the defense that did not quite convince Mou in London.

Johnson, who turns 28 in August, agreed with Mourinho at Chelsea. He had enough presence in the 2004-05 season (28 games, six of them in the Champions League), but then lost weight Mourinho plans while Paulo Ferreira became the owner the right side.

Chelsea went to Portsmouth, where he played 99 games and showed the level that had led him to Stamford Bridge from West Ham United. On June 22, 2009, at the request of Rafa Benitez, the Liverpool disbursed 18 million pounds to become Anfield team player.

Johnson is in love with Spain and more than once expressed his desire to someday play in our league. Has long had a house in Andalusia and defended quite well when he has to dip into the Castilian, something you do often with Pepe Reina.

Another advantage is its character. The Liverpool side has nothing to do with the classic image of English football, so tight that suffers a lot when you leave your country, that few succeed away from the islands. Within the Liverpool dressing room, is the Latin of the English players. Today, Johnson's defense is much left out of Mourinho's Chelsea in the summer of 2006.

Johnson is not the only option on the technical working of the white team to strengthen the right side. Within the Premier's another '2 'which follows, ND Walker, Tottenham defender dexter, which debuted for his country against Spain on 12 November.

Moreover, in the White House is paying special attention to young talents are sprouting in the German teams.

Who is Madrids right back anyway?

Arbeloa mainly. The reason why Ramos rarely plays there nowadays is because they need him in the middle. Carvalho is old, Varane is too young for a starting role and Albiol's not that good, so that leaves Ramos and Pepe.

[lifeshard]

(Original post by CB91)
Arbeloa mainly. The reason why Ramos rarely plays there nowadays is because they need him in the middle. Carvalho is old, Varane is too young for a starting role and Albiol's not that good, so that leaves Ramos and Pepe.

Off the basis of that, buying an increasingly injury prone Glen Johnson would be extremely strange of them.

[CB91]

(Original post by lifeshard)
Off the basis of that, buying an increasingly injury prone Glen Johnson would be extremely strange of them.

It does. If we can get anywhere near the sort of money they paid for Alonso we should snap their hand off tbh.

[Pn94]

Would sell for anything around/upwards of £20m.

[VQG]

Would be a strange move from them as they could play Coentrao there if they're short on cover - plus Glenn Johnson isn't exactly a marquee signing that we're used to seeing from Madrid. Might have some credibility as it's from Marca who have very close ties with the club.

[lifeshard]

(Original post by CB91)
It does. If we can get anywhere near the sort of money they paid for Alonso we should snap their hand off tbh.

It would be decent for us, for a high price. That in mind we don't really have a good track record of replacing our best players with much quality.

I just don't see how this would be a good move for Madrid.

[mau5]

Stay classy Liverpool.

[kuks]

(Original post by mau5)
Stay classy Liverpool.

Every club has its share of tits. What's your point?

[DannyBoy123]

(Original post by mau5)
Stay classy Liverpool.

Unfortunately neither the club or the vast majority of supporters who are not total bellends can choose who supports (or claims to support) Liverpool.

[Vintage]

(Original post by DannyBoy123)
Unfortunately neither the club or the vast majority of supporters who are not total bellends can choose who supports (or claims to support) Liverpool.

It's embarrassing how many utter morons we get on twitter, No matter what club they 'support'.

He must be pretty glum considering in making them tweets he'll no doubt be arrested and charged. Espeically since that guy got a short prison sentance for making obscene tweets directed at Muamba.

Your club should ban this guy for life from anything anywhere near Liverpool.

But you's do defend racists nowadays

[The Rusty Spork]

(Original post by Vintage)
It's embarrassing how many utter morons we get on twitter, No matter what club they 'support'.

He must be pretty glum considering in making them tweets he'll no doubt be arrested and charged. Espeically since that guy got a short prison sentance for making obscene tweets directed at Muamba.

Your club should ban this guy for life from anything anywhere near Liverpool.

But you's do defend racists nowadays

Do we!?