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    (Original post by Strangeclouds)
    With Gerrard's injury record and Lucas only coming back after a long time out, I think it's probably best to sell Adam and buy a versatile midfielder.
    That could be difficult depending on how long he's injured for...
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    Photo doing the rounds on twitter of Lucas running at Melwood. I almost let out a little squeak of joy.

    https://twitter.com/#!/LiverpooIFCNe.../photo/1/large
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    (Original post by The Baron)
    Photo doing the rounds on twitter of Lucas running at Melwood. I almost let out a little squeak of joy.

    https://twitter.com/#!/LiverpooIFCNe.../photo/1/large
    Tbh even after Lucas comes back from injury:

    1) There are no guarantees how he will recover (see Eduardo/Ramsey after long term injuries)
    2) He still needs a decent partner in midfield
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    Tbh even after Lucas comes back from injury:

    1) There are no guarantees how he will recover (see Eduardo/Ramsey after long term injuries)
    2) He still needs a decent partner in midfield
    Only agree with Eduardo. People go on about Ramsey as though he was already better than Fabregas before his injury. He was a good player before and still is now. It's just a fallacy that he's not as good as he was before his injury.
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    (Original post by Deshi)



    We definitely do, I just couldn't think of anyone atm. Enrique needs some competition as well.



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    I'm torn on this one, because although I feel competition there is needed, another player would inevitably block Robinson from gaining experience. Same when buying wingers do we buy one less than we need and hope Sterling steps up, or do we buy one extra that severely limits his game time and growth.
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    Tbh even after Lucas comes back from injury:

    1) There are no guarantees how he will recover (see Eduardo/Ramsey after long term injuries)
    Especially with knee injuries, they do say with knees once they pop they don't stop. (I've dislocated mine twice and torn my ACL). Hopefully his surgery fixed it for him. Demba Ba is a good example of how bad knee injuries can get, I think if his goes again that's his career over?
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    (Original post by Darth Vader 7)
    Only agree with Eduardo. People go on about Ramsey as though he was already better than Fabregas before his injury. He was a good player before and still is now. It's just a fallacy that he's not as good as he was before his injury.
    Probably a fair point, I don't watch Arsenal that much now. Either way, any long term injury can be a massive risk. Imo he'll be fine because he doesn't rely on his pace etc so it shouldn't impact his game massively.


    (Original post by Stirlo)
    Especially with knee injuries, they do say with knees once they pop they don't stop. (I've dislocated mine twice and torn my ACL). Hopefully his surgery fixed it for him. Demba Ba is a good example of how bad knee injuries can get, I think if his goes again that's his career over?
    Don't say that! Now I feel we should wrap him in cotton wool all the time Tbh the club have been very careful with him. He probably could've been back sooner but we're obviously going to give him an entire summer of pre-season/training etc to get up to speed and then be ready for the new season.
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    I don't like how all the clubs are getting their business done early. M'Vila and Podolski to Arsenal, Marin to Chelsea and apparently Hazard to City already. I hope our scouts know what they're doing. I really don't want us to wait till the last minute for the best of the rest and get ****ed over with the price of the transfers as well.
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    (Original post by Torrresss)
    I'm torn on this one, because although I feel competition there is needed, another player would inevitably block Robinson from gaining experience. Same when buying wingers do we buy one less than we need and hope Sterling steps up, or do we buy one extra that severely limits his game time and growth.
    Robinson is still 18 years old. He hasn't finished growing, he hasn't starting bulking out as guys do as they get older. Physically, he is years away from being ready to play regularly in the premier league.

    I'd rather get either a promising LB or a seasoned leftback to act as a back up/stop gap until Robinson is ready. We've seen Flanagan get some games, despite having Johnson and Kelly ahead of him, no reason why we can't have the same for LB.

    The best way to bring youth into the team is to blend them into a successful team. We've never going to throw our youngsters in when there is pressure on results (which is where we currently are).

    If Enrique gets a serious injury next season, we'd either be relying on a right footed Johnson (who's our best RB), Agger out of position, Wilson out of position, or an 18 year old (who imo won't be ready).

    Why do that when we can spend say 2-5mil on a LB who's got more experience and is physically ready.

    The youth should only get into the side when they prove they are good enough, and having more competition shouldn't stop them from proving that. If anything, it proves they aren't ready or good enough.

    Plus I think Enrique is overrated.
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    (Original post by kuks)
    I don't like how all the clubs are getting their business done early. M'Vila and Podolski to Arsenal, Marin to Chelsea and apparently Hazard to City already. I hope our scouts know what they're doing. I really don't want us to wait till the last minute for the best of the rest and get ****ed over with the price of the transfers as well.
    We have to sort out the manager situation as soon as the season ends, and try to at least bid for someone before the Euros if they are European and are playing in it. But without a clear view on who is going to be our manager, I'll highly doubt our owners would want to spend. Even we need a DoF too.
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    (Original post by kuks)
    I don't like how all the clubs are getting their business done early. M'Vila and Podolski to Arsenal, Marin to Chelsea and apparently Hazard to City already. I hope our scouts know what they're doing. I really don't want us to wait till the last minute for the best of the rest and get ****ed over with the price of the transfers as well.
    Tbh, even if we were in the market for any of those players listed, as soon as those respective clubs who have allegedly signed them came in, we would've lost out on the signature.

    All 3 of those clubs can offer CL football, which we can't. All are promising youngsters who want CL football.

    Think we've got to be realistic about our strength in the transfer market. We're going to miss out on a lot of targets.
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    (Original post by mr tim)
    We have to sort out the manager situation as soon as the season ends, and try to at least bid for someone before the Euros if they are European and are playing in it. But without a clear view on who is going to be our manager, I'll highly doubt our owners would want to spend. Even we need a DoF too.
    The handshake snub is a massive turning point imo. Let's hope things are resolved sooner rather than later..
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    Tbh, even if we were in the market for any of those players listed, as soon as those respective clubs who have allegedly signed them came in, we would've lost out on the signature.

    All 3 of those clubs can offer CL football, which we can't. All are promising youngsters who want CL football.

    Think we've got to be realistic about our strength in the transfer market. We're going to miss out on a lot of targets.
    That's why I want us to do the deals early. Before other clubs come in and steal them. We can match transfer prices and wages. We just need to "sell our project" to them.
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    (Original post by kuks)
    That's why I want us to do the deals early. Before other clubs come in and steal them. We can match transfer prices and wages. We just need to "sell our project" to them.
    We're partly in a limbo position anyway. Take M'Vila for example. Even if we agreed a fee with the club, he'd probably delay on signing and get his agent to sound out more interest to see if a CL club will come in - so we probably wouldn't be able to sign him early anyway.

    We really are stuck in a ****** place with transfers. Too much of a reputation to get tranfer fees/wages on the cheap, not enough quality at the moment to have players want to sign for us currently.

    Will be a really interesting summer anyway. We've obviously closed up shop though, you don't really hear that many rumours early. Had people heard about the Comolli sack until it happened?
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    We're partly in a limbo position anyway. Take M'Vila for example. Even if we agreed a fee with the club, he'd probably delay on signing and get his agent to sound out more interest to see if a CL club will come in - so we probably wouldn't be able to sign him early anyway.

    We really are stuck in a ****** place with transfers. Too much of a reputation to get tranfer fees/wages on the cheap, not enough quality at the moment to have players want to sign for us currently.

    Will be a really interesting summer anyway. We've obviously closed up shop though, you don't really hear that many rumours early. Had people heard about the Comolli sack until it happened?
    Rumours regarding M'Vila have it that the likes of Inter Milan and Madrid were involved. If Arsenal have somehow managed to pull of that signing, it would be decent considering that competition. I guess have Wenger as the manager has something to do with it.

    I personally feel that Dalglish doesn't have that type of pull as a manager over possible transfers.
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    (Original post by Darth Vader 7)
    Rumours regarding M'Vila have it that the likes of Inter Milan and Madrid were involved. If Arsenal have somehow managed to pull of that signing, it would be decent considering that competition. I guess have Wenger as the manager has something to do with it.

    I personally feel that Dalglish doesn't have that type of pull as a manager over possible transfers.
    Definately a strong coup by Arsenal. I wouldn't say Inter are any better than Arsenal and M'Vila would probably know he'd be a back up to Khedera if he went to Madrid.

    Tbh a young French player, in most cases will go to Arsenal since he knows he will get game time.

    In a way it's very odd that Kenny wouldn't have that pull. He achieved a lot as a player and as a manger for Liverpool and then success again with Blackburn. Yet he doesn't seem as well known as you'd think he would be?
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    Definately a strong coup by Arsenal. I wouldn't say Inter are any better than Arsenal and M'Vila would probably know he'd be a back up to Khedera if he went to Madrid.

    Tbh a young French player, in most cases will go to Arsenal since he knows he will get game time.

    In a way it's very odd that Kenny wouldn't have that pull. He achieved a lot as a player and as a manger for Liverpool and then success again with Blackburn. Yet he doesn't seem as well known as you'd think he would be?
    The problem is, his success was during the birth of the Premier league era (as reference to a time-frame) whilst the likes of Ferguson, Guardiola, Mourinho and to an extent Wenger have achieved success recently. If you think about it, the likes of M'Vila would've just been born or there about when Kenny won the League with Liverpool. Same goes for most players in their prime now, they were quite young when Kenny was a success. Now the media have essentially tainted his reputation (some of it justified) and hence doesn't look attractive to possible transfer targets.
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    (Original post by Darth Vader 7)
    The problem is, his success was during the birth of the Premier league era (as reference to a time-frame) whilst the likes of Ferguson, Guardiola, Mourinho and to an extent Wenger have achieved success recently. If you think about it, the likes of M'Vila would've just been born or there about when Kenny won the League with Liverpool. Same goes for most players in their prime now, they were quite young when Kenny was a success. Now the media have essentially tainted his reputation (some of it justified).
    I think that's spot on. When earlier, players had grown up seeing Liverpool reign supreme, the new generation of players were born between 1988-1992 and so would not have seen Liverpool's success bar one Champion's League. Therefore they are not attracted to the club as much as say players who were born before 1980.
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    (Original post by Darth Vader 7)
    The problem is, his success was during the birth of the Premier league era (as reference to a time-frame) whilst the likes of Ferguson, Guardiola, Mourinho and to an extent Wenger have achieved success recently. If you think about it, the likes of M'Vila would've just been born or there about when Kenny won the League with Liverpool. Same goes for most players in their prime now, they were quite young when Kenny was a success. Now the media have essentially tainted his reputation (some of it justified).
    (Original post by kuks)
    I think that's spot on. When earlier, players had grown up seeing Liverpool reign supreme, the new generation of players were born between 1988-1992 and so would not have seen Liverpool's success bar one Champion's League. Therefore they are not attracted to the club as much as say players who were born before 1980.
    That does make sense. Probably didn't help that he was out of management for so long and dropped off the radar. Shame, if we had more ex-Liverpool players in the press, he probably would've got less of a slating.
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    Tbh even after Lucas comes back from injury:

    1) There are no guarantees how he will recover (see Eduardo/Ramsey after long term injuries)
    2) He still needs a decent partner in midfield

    Possibly true on the first point. No need to be a negative nancy though
    The second point, well his return will boost the number of competent midfielders in the squad to....two.
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