[marcusmerehay]

(Original post by So Instinct)
Gary Neville's been appointed as a coach by new England manager Roy Hodgson.

Don't see what's so 'LOL' about it tbh.

Once you get passed that horrible Manc accent of his, it's clear that he's got very good tactical awareness, and as a former England captain he's got plenty of knowledge he can pass on to what will be a pretty inexperienced England squad, as has been evidenced by his stint on Sky Sports.

[Tommyjw]

(Original post by So Instinct)
Gary Neville's been appointed as a coach by new England manager Roy Hodgson.

[So Instinct]

(Original post by marcusmerehay)
Don't see what's so 'LOL' about it tbh.

Once you get passed that horrible Manc accent of his, it's clear that he's got very good tactical awareness, and as a former England captain he's got plenty of knowledge he can pass on to what will be a pretty inexperienced England squad, as has been evidenced by his stint on Sky Sports.

It's 'LOL' because I found it funny.

Also, so?

He was a former England captain that doesn't mean he would be a good coach. Same goes for pretty much all you said.
Alan Shearer should be an awesome coach by that standard, he tried his luck and it didn't really work out that well and he was better player and better tactical awareness.


Not to mention this absolute beauty.

[So Instinct]

(Original post by Tommyjw)

Oh no.. you posted a facepalm..

[Pn94]

Neville's a sensible appointment tbf.

Kenny's flown to Boston to speak to the owners, so the next couple of days should be interesting.

[The Rusty Spork]

Just listening to TAW and they are talking about Dalglish being better with better players... which isn't something I am going to bother dicussing. However, when talking about Dalglish they say he manages to get an extra 10% from very good players, the ones challenging for the league etc. Now I really don't understand where this has came from His first stint at Liverpool he was at undoubtedly the best club in England at the time with the best players. Then he went to Blackburn which was essentially the City of the time but even more insane as there wasn't a Chelsea/United who could compete on a financial level or at least close to.
They then made the point that if Dalglish had been in charge of Tottenham they (I never quite caught this bit ) said he would have either challenged for the title or won the title. I really don't see this and I think those sort of comments are what is holding us, as a club and support base, back. The cult of personality at Anfield goes too far sometimes. It is great to love our traditions and to respect are past greats but nobody is bigger than the club, nobody. The club should do what is best for the club and only the club.

Also, I don't understand why people keep saying that Dalglish would willingly leave depending on 'x'. It is something I really cannot see, he himself has stated repeatedly over the past few years that he 100% believes he is the best man for the job and he is clearly a stubborn man and would not walk away from the challenge, without a push first.

[So Instinct]

Eh maybe I'm being to harsh. I personally found it funny mainly because all i think about is his busting a nut when Torres scored.
He might be a decent coach, I'm not saying he won't, he's got football smarts.. but like I said ^

[Zerforax]

(Original post by Mess.)
Just listening to TAW and they are talking about Dalglish being better with better players... which isn't something I am going to bother dicussing. However, when talking about Dalglish they say he manages to get an extra 10% from very good players, the ones challenging for the league etc. Now I really don't understand where this has came from His first stint at Liverpool he was at undoubtedly the best club in England at the time with the best players. Then he went to Blackburn which was essentially the City of the time but even more insane as there wasn't a Chelsea/United who could compete on a financial level or at least close to.
They then made the point that if Dalglish had been in charge of Tottenham they (I never quite caught this bit ) said he would have either challenged for the title or won the title. I really don't see this and I think those sort of comments are what is holding us, as a club and support base, back. The cult of personality at Anfield goes too far sometimes. It is great to love our traditions and to respect are past greats but nobody is bigger than the club, nobody. The club should do what is best for the club and only the club.

Also, I don't understand why people keep saying that Dalglish would willingly leave depending on 'x'. It is something I really cannot see, he himself has stated repeatedly over the past few years that he 100% believes he is the best man for the job and he is clearly a stubborn man and would not walk away from the challenge, without a push first.

I think they're trying to say he's like Harry Redknapp, the players like/love him and perform well but the tactics aren't as heavily involved. If you gave him a great set up with great players, he'd win and keep confidence high etc. I can see why they would say that to a degree.

[Zerforax]

Top of the TSR Liverpool mini league in the fantasy football

[mr tim]

4th here, Wonder how much Stirlo had been had he came from the 1st week.

[Stirlo]

(Original post by mr tim)
4th here, Wonder how much Stirlo had been had he came from the 1st week.

Haha, I had totally forgotten about it, havent been on since early on in the season either. I think I missed like 2 matches before joining

[kuks]

(Original post by Zerforax)
Top of the TSR Liverpool mini league in the fantasy football

Pipped me to it. My form coincided with Liverpool's...I was **** after February

[Pn94]

Listening to this (TAW), it's making me think that Kenny should be replaced. Nobody's actually put forward a convincing argument as to why he should stay. Looking at it, he's not really known for being the type of manager that's going to drag you out of a rut like this.

(Original post by Zerforax)
I think they're trying to say he's like Harry Redknapp, the players like/love him and perform well but the tactics aren't as heavily involved. If you gave him a great set up with great players, he'd win and keep confidence high etc. I can see why they would say that to a degree.

Think they made a similar point a few weeks back. We're trying to play 'league winning football' but haven't got the players to do that, which is true. Tbh, you can see that players like Downing, Enrique etc aren't drilled like they would be under Rafa and I think that's what they need; they're not intelligent enough otherwise.

[The Rusty Spork]

(Original post by Pn94)
Listening to this (TAW), it's making me think that Kenny should be replaced. Nobody's actually put forward a convincing argument as to why he should stay. Looking at it, he's not really known for being the type of manager that's going to drag you out of a rut like this.



Think they made a similar point a few weeks back. We're trying to play 'league winning football' but haven't got the players to do that, which is true. Tbh, you can see that players like Downing, Enrique etc aren't drilled like they would be under Rafa and I think that's what they need; they're not intelligent enough otherwise.

All the arguments to keep him seem to be centred around 'because he is Dalglish' which to me is the worst reason to keep him at the club.

I don't even think we are playing league winning football like has been discussed on TAW. You watch United/City/Chelsea/Arsenal and when those teams won the league over the last 15 years they won by every player knowing their jobs and every player trusting the manager that their instructions were the correct ones. Every player was mercilessly drilled as to their role and function at specific points in the match and the season.
Tbph we have played like where we are, a mid table team. We have just 'had a go' in almost every match and it has resulted in some absolute nonsense like Glen Johnson playing DM/CB in a weird back 5 against City

[mr tim]

I actually remember earlier this season we were like the 1st best defensive record in the league, then we went behind to 2nd, not too far from 1st. Now we are 3rd, tied with Everton. Its a bit like the players didn't care. Adam, Spearing etc seem to give the ball away a lot, and shoot from outside the area when its obvious that they weren't going to score.

Really wished Kenny would rotate those players, rather than keep starting them, and actually rotate the players that actually played well.

We asked the "what if kenny was in charge at the beginning of last season" I guess we know the answer. Albeit a worse owners, I think it could have been the same if not worse?

[River85]

(Original post by So Instinct)
It's 'LOL' because I found it funny.

Also, so?

He was a former England captain that doesn't mean he would be a good coach. Same goes for pretty much all you said.
Alan Shearer should be an awesome coach by that standard, he tried his luck and it didn't really work out that well and he was better player and better tactical awareness.

Completely ignore the basic fact that they played in two completely different positions and are therefore not comparable. Shearer would be **** at right back, Neville **** up front.

Newcastle were a sinking ship when Shearer took over. It's not like he had a full season, and being a manager is very different to being a coach so I really don't know what you're getting at. Also, how on earth are you judging tactical awareness? No idea what makes you think Shearer's is better.

[checkolad]

(Original post by marcusmerehay)
Don't see what's so 'LOL' about it tbh.

Once you get passed that horrible Manc accent of his, it's clear that he's got very good tactical awareness, and as a former England captain he's got plenty of knowledge he can pass on to what will be a pretty inexperienced England squad, as has been evidenced by his stint on Sky Sports.

I just think people seem to think he's amazing because the standard of punditry in this country is embarrassing, In places like Italy and Spain his analysis is bog standard.

[The Rusty Spork]

(Original post by checkolad)
I just think people seem to think he's amazing because the standard of punditry in this country is embarrassing, In places like Italy and Spain his analysis is bog standard.

Have you any proof of this?

[Pn94]

(Original post by Mess.)
All the arguments to keep him seem to be centred around 'because he is Dalglish' which to me is the worst reason to keep him at the club.

I don't even think we are playing league winning football like has been discussed on TAW. You watch United/City/Chelsea/Arsenal and when those teams won the league over the last 15 years they won by every player knowing their jobs and every player trusting the manager that their instructions were the correct ones. Every player was mercilessly drilled as to their role and function at specific points in the match and the season.
Tbph we have played like where we are, a mid table team. We have just 'had a go' in almost every match and it has resulted in some absolute nonsense like Glen Johnson playing DM/CB in a weird back 5 against City

Hmm. But then you look at Spurs currently and United throughout the last decade and the game plan is often quite basic, similar to how we've tried to play for the majority of this season. 4-4-2 with fast wingers and clinical strikers, and a midfield that can win and recycle the ball effectively. I think it's more a point about certain players understanding their own roles and not needing the same amount of tactical drilling that less intelligent players require. The problem is that the large majority of our players just aren't intelligent enough for that sort of style. As an example, I don't think Downing would be as **** as he has this season if he'd been given clear direction on the pitch. The majority of the time he looks lost - does he even know what he's meant to be doing? At times he tries to half heartedly take his man on, the rest of the time he just passes back into midfield/to his FB. His poor performances can't all be down to him crumbling under pressure. Then you look at Enrique. He makes all the wrong runs at the wrong times, has next to no understanding with Downing. The worst thing is that it's been happening all season; there's been no improvement, in fact we've become worse. Why haven't the problems (that were obvious from the first couple of months of the season) been ironed out? I just couldn't see that happening under another more scrutinous manager.

You can use Carroll as another example, he's a large number 9 who's good in the air, so why does he end up on the wing/in midfield/at the back? Why isn't he making runs into the box and getting on the end of crosses? Even recently - despite his improved performances, he still ends up looking like a headless chicken half of the time who just runs around attempting to head everything. It looks like Kenny sends them out and just tells them to play without really considering individual strengths/weaknesses or formulating a specific gameplan.

On the flipside, at the end of last season we saw some great football being played and we **** all over quite a few teams. But we had Meireles, Suarez, Kuyt, Lucas and Rodriguez on the pitch together throughout those games - intelligent players who I'd say suited the footballing style Dalglish wants to implement.

You could ultimately just say that we (our squad) don't suit the style of football that Dalglish wants; the natural thing to then do would be to sack him. Tbf it's a valid point from the TAW guys. Maybe could attribute it to the signings he's made. Carroll/Downing/Enrique/Adam are generally not intelligent football players, and maybe if we were to go out and sign such players this summer then it could click again next season like it did in the first few months. There's the argument for keeping him on I suppose.

My own opinion now probably is that we should probably get a new manager in (Rafa or someone similar) who can get the players to perform to a better level, because I can't see Dalglish doing it from what I've seen this season, which has just been the same thing over and over again. Imo, we've actually got a squad that (with the correct drilling) can get top 4 with a couple of well placed additions.

[checkolad]

(Original post by Mess.)
Have you any proof of this?

Well I am Fluent in Spanish because I was born there and mover here aged five. When ever I stay at my dads I watch a bit of football and the analysis is much more detailed.