[jam277]

(Original post by Zerforax)
Nothing to do with football manager tbh. I just think, consider how many teams park the bus at Anfield, a more attacking leftback than Enrique would cause more damage. Vargas is known for his crossing in Italy and we might aswell make use of that since we've got Carroll in the box.

FM isn't sophisticated enough for my ideas

Do you mean Downing over Vargas or Vargas over Downing?

I was trolling with the downing comment.
Vargas would be a good choice, he is more attacking, would be good rotation with enrique and can play on the wing in a match where you guys need a more defensive left back like enrique e.g. at the etihad. He can help defend and whip in a good cross too.

Plus whenever a team parks the bus at anfield, I usually see you guys attack from the left, downing crosses, suarez isn't tall or physical enough so gets headed away by first man or the cross is crap, enrique can't cross either and it'll either be a low cross that's easily hoofed away or pretty much switch the play needlessly by accident. carroll comes on near the end and gets a good header/volley on target but the keeper makes an amazing save. Vargas is a hell of a lot better, at least he can cross to carroll constantly.

I remember against newcastle gerrard came on and he was the only one providing crosses to carroll . Obviously liverpool won't go for vargas for one reason or another, but he'll be a good addition, what are his wages like?

[jam277]

(Original post by WhatIsAUsername?)
No Italian manager, please. I just hate their style of football.

Sacchi wasn't too bad, he was the opposite of capello.
I love italian managers and their style of football anyway.

[Kevmeister]

(Original post by jam277)
Sacchi wasn't too bad, he was the opposite of capello.
I love italian managers and their style of football anyway.

Listen up for a second.

Go to youtube, and watch whatever you can of the 94 CL final. Capello is a pragmatic manager, he makes the most of what he has, rather than try to make square pegs fit into round holes.

[CB91]

(Original post by jam277)
Sacchi wasn't too bad, he was the opposite of capello.
I love italian managers and their style of football anyway.

He was a bit better than "wasn't too bad".

[Zerforax]

(Original post by jam277)
I was trolling with the downing comment.
Vargas would be a good choice, he is more attacking, would be good rotation with enrique and can play on the wing in a match where you guys need a more defensive left back like enrique e.g. at the etihad. He can help defend and whip in a good cross too.

Plus whenever a team parks the bus at anfield, I usually see you guys attack from the left, downing crosses, suarez isn't tall or physical enough so gets headed away by first man or the cross is crap, enrique can't cross either and it'll either be a low cross that's easily hoofed away or pretty much switch the play needlessly by accident. carroll comes on near the end and gets a good header/volley on target but the keeper makes an amazing save. Vargas is a hell of a lot better, at least he can cross to carroll constantly.

I remember against newcastle gerrard came on and he was the only one providing crosses to carroll . Obviously liverpool won't go for vargas for one reason or another, but he'll be a good addition, what are his wages like?

No idea, I'm not privy to Fiortentina's accounts.
Fiorentina must be in all sorts of financial troubles at the moment though.

Hmm Martinez playing a 3-4-3 at Liverpool could be interesting.


New fullback.....Lucas...new midfield.....Johnson
...........Agger........Skrtel.. ....Kelly.............

Would need a better fullback than Enrique for it to work, maybe bring in Beausejour from Wigan

Could probably shift the defence to 4 at the back in the middle of the game with either the new buy or Johnson coming into a conventional position with Agger and Kelly good enough and able enough to play as a fullback on the alternate side and the attacking wingback becoming a full blown winger.

[JoeK]

(Original post by jam277)
Sacchi wasn't too bad, he was the opposite of capello.
I love italian managers and their style of football anyway.

Sacchi is one of the most influential managers the game has seen. Capello's 'Invincibles' were incredible as well.

[JF1903]

i would obviously love Rafa back, but cant see it, second choice would be AVB, not sure on Martinez, dont think hes ready. as for transfers i think without injuries we could do with 2/3 first teamers, a left mid, a centre mid and a striker to compete with carroll.
--------------reina
johnson---skrtel----agger---enrique
---------(new CM)-Lucas
Gerrard
suarez-----(new LW)
-------------carroll/ new striker


Javi Martinez would be ace but cant see it for CM, same with Lavezzi for LW, Luuk De Jong would be perfect for striker. need to get rid of Downing and Adam ASAP. also would love to bring in Hoillett from blackburn on a free.

[pbsjohnz]

(Original post by Zerforax)
We wouldn't need to spend our entire budget, Fiorentina are in a worse position than us.

I think his contract expires next summer and he's 28 now.

We could get him for like 5-7mil imo.

He's rated as one of the best crossers of the ball and dead ball specialist. If Adam's set pieces are worth 7.5mil, I bet this guy is worth way more.

He's flexible because he can play fullback or left wing and has an engine on him. He'd provide great competition for Enrique and would be a more attacking option. Old enough that we could let him go in 3 or 4 years and let Robinson take over then.

Carroll would love his crossing and he'd be like a left footed Johnson. Bet he's better than Downing too (though that's not hard).

You know I'm right! And then we could use him to lure Jovetic from Fiorentia too to play in the AMC role or on the right flank in the 'Kuyt' role as I like to call it now. Intelligent player who could adapt and he's been playing as striker for Fiorentina lately so his goal scoring would be better.

Means we could play a narrow front three of Suarez, Carroll, Jovetic with flying wingbacks in Vargas and Johnson at Anfield but then go to a defensive and wide style with Bellamy, Suarez and Downing* with Enrique and Kelly playing as solid fullbacks. Or tactically switch it up to play aggressive on one flank and defensive on the other.

The plan is flawless ffs

*I would get a crossing right footed winger eg Krasic to be better than Downing and to give width.

Good plan, I think any winger will be better then Downing. Check out the stats for our squad this season. http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team/sq...erpool?cc=3888


Agger and Skrtel both had more goals and assist then him lol. Raul Meireles did not start a game and had an assist to his name.

[The Baron]

Was thinking maybe Nuri Sahin for central midfield if Real make him available. Doubt we could attract him though, would probably have other suitors.

[Zerforax]

(Original post by The Baron)
Was thinking maybe Nuri Sahin for central midfield if Real make him available. Doubt we could attract him though, would probably have other suitors.

I think he'll leave next summer at the earliest. He's not been there long enough to be disatisified enough to leave (consider that they just won La Liga).

[Lyrically]

Maybe martinez can bring in the likes of victor moses & connor sammon who would be brilliant additions.

Reina
Kelly Skrtel Agger
Johnson Lucas Gerrard Enrique
Suarez Sammon Moses

Could be great if he goes for the 3-4-3 formation he currently uses at wigan.

[pbsjohnz]

Does anybody see Suarez as being a good winger, seeing as he is a very good dribbler and is good at running down the goal line?

......................Reina
Johnson.....Skrtel ....Agger......Enrique
......................Lucas
Suarez.......................... ...Good Winger
.........................Gerrard
............G. Striker
.........................G. Striker(Carroll or new signing)



Its an honest question, don't neg. This is what I use in FIFA, for the strikers I use Neymar and Muller, but that is slightly unrealistic. If we get 2 strikers and a good Winger, who can see this formation working. It is kind of like a 4-4-2 diamond with Gerrard as like a CF/CAM.

[Xotol]

(Original post by pbsjohnz)
Does anybody see Suarez as being a good winger, seeing as he is a very good dribbler and is good at running down the goal line?

......................Reina
Johnson.....Skrtel ....Agger......Enrique
......................Lucas
Suarez.......................... ...Good Winger
.........................Gerrard
............G. Striker
.........................G. Striker(Carroll or new signing)



Its an honest question, don't neg. This is what I use in FIFA, for the strikers I use Neymar and Muller, but that is slightly unrealistic. If we get 2 strikers and a good Winger, who can see this formation working. It is kind of like a 4-4-2 diamond with Gerrard as like a CF/CAM.

Unrealistic formation. 4-4-2 diamond works when you have two midfielders playing in the wide positions, not two wingers. Unless Suarez can convert to a right midfielder (or left) and carries out his duty on both attack and defense, you're essentially playing a 4-1-5. Count Enrique and Johnson going forward sometimes, you've got a 2-1-7. Those are suicidal tactics unless you're Barcelona (even then, they don't even play that).

Abandoning all forms of defense for attack is something you'd do on fifa - just not in the real world.

[pbsjohnz]

(Original post by Xotol)
Unrealistic formation. 4-4-2 diamond works when you have two midfielders playing in the wide positions, not two wingers. Unless Suarez can convert to a right midfielder (or left) and carries out his duty on both attack and defense, you're essentially playing a 4-1-5. Count Enrique and Johnson going forward sometimes, you've got a 2-1-7. Those are suicidal tactics unless you're Barcelona (even then, they don't even play that).

Abandoning all forms of defense for attack is something you'd do on fifa - just not in the real world.

Oh well it works on FIFA lol

[jam277]

(Original post by JoeK)
Sacchi is one of the most influential managers the game has seen. Capello's 'Invincibles' were incredible as well.

I meant not too bad as in the style of play. Not that I like the so called 'attractive football'(but lets not get into that) just as in Sacchis style of play was different to capello's, however as kevmeister has said(I haven't watched the highlights of the 94 final yet but i'll post when I have) capello is good at using what he has.

(Original post by CB91)
He was a bit better than "wasn't too bad".

Of course, didn't he win the world cup with italy? Was talking about the style of football in comparison to what we see from capello's milan or his style of play. But as kevmeister says, capello adapts his formation to the players he has.

(Original post by Kevmeister)
Listen up for a second.

Go to youtube, and watch whatever you can of the 94 CL final. Capello is a pragmatic manager, he makes the most of what he has, rather than try to make square pegs fit into round holes.

I get what you mean with capello though. Just watched it now, especially the build up to the second goal. I do remember him playing defensive football with real madrid, a team with a team with zidane, beckham, raul and ronaldo, but I guess if capello was using spain he wouldn't have done that.

[jam277]

(Original post by Xotol)
Unrealistic formation. 4-4-2 diamond works when you have two midfielders playing in the wide positions, not two wingers. Unless Suarez can convert to a right midfielder (or left) and carries out his duty on both attack and defense, you're essentially playing a 4-1-5. Count Enrique and Johnson going forward sometimes, you've got a 2-1-7. Those are suicidal tactics unless you're Barcelona (even then, they don't even play that).

Abandoning all forms of defense for attack is something you'd do on fifa - just not in the real world.

Last time barcelona played a formation like that torres ended up having half the pitch to himself after one long ball. No team can possibly use those tactics because all you need is one long ball and a fast/physical player and it's a goal from the counter. I don't think suarez would be defensively disciplined enough to do that role like you said. dirk kuyt would obviously but he's leaving.

[CB91]

(Original post by jam277)
Last time barcelona played a formation like that torres ended up having half the pitch to himself after one long ball. No team can possibly use those tactics because all you need is one long ball and a fast/physical player and it's a goal from the counter. I don't think suarez would be defensively disciplined enough to do that role like you said. dirk kuyt would obviously but he's leaving.

That was completely different. Barca needed a goal in a KO round and were basically playing 0-1-9.

That formation would be suicidal, mind you.

[jam277]

(Original post by CB91)
That was completely different. Barca needed a goal in a KO round and were basically playing 0-1-9.

That formation would be suicidal, mind you.

Exactly. I know it does depend on the circumstance, but in nearly all circumstances. even if a team bus parks, 0-1-9 is the worst formation to possibly use. One hoof and a fast/strong attacker has a **** load of space and only has to get through one or two defenders or even no defenders one way or another and is free on goal with half the pitch.

That's why corners are usually the best and the worst set pieces to take too lol. I remember someone saying that the old arsenal team were feared so much that when they defend a corner ten seconds later it ends up in the back of the oppositions net.

[Kevmeister]

(Original post by jam277)
I get what you mean with capello though. Just watched it now, especially the build up to the second goal. I do remember him playing defensive football with real madrid, a team with a team with zidane, beckham, raul and ronaldo, but I guess if capello was using spain he wouldn't have done that.

Zidane retired the summer Capello joined. Ronaldo was unfit. If he had players to play expansive football he'd play it. And Raúl was on the wane by then.

[Pn94]

According to Sid Lowe, Luis Suarez is considering his future.