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Re: The Government says there's no money...but Gove says get a £60m yacht for the QueThat money would be simply re-allocated to a president. Do some homework.(Original post by Person1001)
I'm sure they are doing absolutely fine with a portion of the taxpayers money in their luxury lmao.
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Re: The Government says there's no money...but Gove says get a £60m yacht for the QueTo the nhs/helping businesses..... Lol I'm sure this country would be more proud if it was simply donated to charities.(Original post by gladders)
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Re: The Government says there's no money...but Gove says get a £60m yacht for the QueNice one - you completely ignored an inconvenient truth.(Original post by Person1001)
To the nhs/helping businesses..... Lol I'm sure this country would be more proud if it was simply donated to charities. -
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Re: The Government says there's no money...but Gove says get a £60m yacht for the QueI prefer The Independent, but the Guardian has a better reputation for investigative journalism truly in the public interest - none of this creepy spying on celebrities or phone hacking. Truly a standard setter for the British press - and thus the rest of the world (the British Press is notorious for its investigative journalism).(Original post by Jonesy12)
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Re: The Government says there's no money...but Gove says get a £60m yacht for the QueWell, with the royal families lost estates, and reduced tourism (I mean, London is pretty dull without them) that would be one hell of an expensive guillotine.(Original post by el scampio)
A yacht to coincide with the jubilee party this summer. The sheeple will lap it up!
The only thing the taxpayer should be funding for her is a guillotine.
As in the range of £1Billion. -
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Re: The Government says there's no money...but Gove says get a £60m yacht for the QueWell said(Original post by Wisham)
My favourite part, we should buy the yacht because of "the greater achievement that the diamond anniversary represents" because y'know she works so hard.
The taxpayer should fork out 60 mil yachts for everyone who lives to 85, after all it is a massive achievement.
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Re: The Government says there's no money...but Gove says get a £60m yacht for the QueYeah, but imagine how much you could sell the exclusive broadcast rights for a good, old fashioned beheading...(Original post by Silkielemon)
Well, with the royal families lost estates, and reduced tourism (I mean, London is pretty dull without them) that would be one hell of an expensive guillotine.
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Re: The Government says there's no money...but Gove says get a £60m yacht for the QueYes because every time i've been to London the royal family can be seen partying in the streets... never in my lifetime have I ever seen a royal. We are scamming tourists by saying the royals are chilling in the streets ready to meet them. If you mean the actual tourist attractions then why would we get rid of them? they are not the monarchy.(Original post by Silkielemon)
Well, with the royal families lost estates, and reduced tourism (I mean, London is pretty dull without them) that would be one hell of an expensive guillotine.
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Re: The Government says there's no money...but Gove says get a £60m yacht for the QueObama raised $500,000,000 online. Not that the campaign itself would be anywhere near as expensive as America's. One could arguably State Fund a lot of it at little cost - a few election broadcasts á la the Party Politicals, any candidate worth their salt will be able to raise a few hundred thou on the web these days.(Original post by gladders)
And yet the candidate will be quizzed further in private: 'yeah, yeah, that's good for the punters, but if you want campaign money, what will you do for me?'
Anyway, it'll be in businesses' interests to back the best candidate (unless you're implying that the HoS makes very little difference to their interests
) if you don't go along with the above!
You know what I was getting at
Luck had nothing to do with it. She was the best candidate, and she won.(Original post by gladders)
Isn't it a bit of a false premise to presume all elected presidents would be so overwhelmingly popular? Ireland may be able to gamble a lucky hand on occasion, but we've only had to do it once (handsomely) in 1952.
Obviously not all Presidents will be popular. The amazing thing about elections is that, if you do end up with an unpopular one, you get kick them the heck out of office
It's the below post:(Original post by gladders)
I've come into this a bit late, so could you re-iterate?
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Let's have a ceremonial elected HoS with limited powers - referring controversial Laws to referendum, for instance. This ensures that they've got enough power to be worth having, but not enough to attract those who want it (those who want power are invariably the worst possible people to trust with it ). Ban all MPs from becoming HoS and vice versa - nobody who is power hungry would touch it with a barge pole. Don't let the parties get involved, and job's a good one!
(Original post by gladders)
Not really; the position of the Prince of Wales as an office is a tricky one, because it is not subject to the customs which bind the monarch. As he does not have any constitutional role in the government, the government has limited control over his actions. This would change when he's King, much as it did with Edward VII when he took over in 1901.
He's been quoted as saying he wants to be an 'Active Monarch'. Doesn't sound that great to me!
In any case, even if he doesn't, I'd be much more at ease with a monarch obsessed with planning permissions and homeopathy than with a president who would feel entitled to stick his oar into everything.
That was in response to him saying he didn't trust the British people. Not an argument for a change, I agree.(Original post by gladders)
Non-secitur. I'm sure people are capable of electing a president; but whether it's necessary or desirable is another thing entirely.
Don't need to. They're meritocracies, which are fine in certain institutions. I don't like aristocracy.(Original post by gladders)
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Re: The Government says there's no money...but Gove says get a £60m yacht for the QueThe. Royal. Family. Does. Not. Own. The. Crown. Estates.(Original post by Silkielemon)
Well, with the royal families lost estates, and reduced tourism (I mean, London is pretty dull without them) that would be one hell of an expensive guillotine.
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Re: The Government says there's no money...but Gove says get a £60m yacht for the QueYou're making it out to be this insanely incomprehensible role, when it clearly is not! I'm not going to join some of the people on my side of the argument who would have us call Lizzy Windsor lazy. Yes, it's a demanding job. Is it difficult? Is everyone in Britain just too stupid to do it?(Original post by gladders)
Because we have a whole family available to stand in, who have been her understudies for many years, and when ready, can take over.
Frankly, I wish we didn't have the entire family there... Harry, Chuck, Phillip, Fergie... They're just bloody embarrassing!
I know you didn't... some would have us believe that the sun shines out of her every orifice, however! I know it's not scientific by any means, but this post gives you an idea of what I'm talking about!(Original post by gladders)
I don't argue that at all, Joe. She (and all the royals) aren't perfect.
Nope. If the people want a younger representative, they can have one. If they want an older representative, they can have one.(Original post by gladders)
Are you dictating the candidates now?
I disagree. I don't think that "a form of government in which a few elite citizens rule" is acceptable in the 21st century.(Original post by gladders)
Moreover aristocracy and democracy aren't incompatible.
Stupid, unfunny and unnecessary comment. You only hurt the Republican movement when you write things like that.(Original post by Fallen)
Yeah, but imagine how much you could sell the exclusive broadcast rights for a good, old fashioned beheading...Last edited by JoeLatics; 17-01-2012 at 23:01. -
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Re: The Government says there's no money...but Gove says get a £60m yacht for the QueYet I've seen 3 royals (the queen, queen mother, and prince Edward) in my lifetime, 4 if you count Edward's wife. And I've yet to reach my second decade. The royals conduct their public duties excellently. I only actually spoke to one of them(edward), I was merely in the presence of the others, yet edward was very nice, shook his hand, he asked me some questions and along he went.(Original post by lambert1)
Yes because every time i've been to London the royal family can be seen partying in the streets... never in my lifetime have I ever seen a royal. We are scamming tourists by saying the royals are chilling in the streets ready to meet them. If you mean the actual tourist attractions then why would we get rid of them? they are not the monarchy.
Obviously the royals don't 'chill in the streets' to meet tourists, but if you live in the UK and involve yourself in public life, judging by the amount of events they attend, you will inevitably meet one eventually -
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Re: The Government says there's no money...but Gove says get a £60m yacht for the QueAre we anywhere near state funding general elections? Aren't you presuming a lot about how it'll pan out?(Original post by JoeLatics)
Obama raised $500,000,000 online. Not that the campaign itself would be anywhere near as expensive as America's. One could arguably State Fund a lot of it at little cost - a few election broadcasts á la the Party Politicals, any candidate worth their salt will be able to raise a few hundred thou on the web these days.
Heck, I'm not even expecting a British president to be directly elected.
So it's in businesses best interests to back the Conservatives, therefore their candidate is the best one?Anyway, it'll be in businesses' interests to back the best candidate (unless you're implying that the HoS makes very little difference to their interests ) if you don't go along with the above!
We can kick out an unpopular monarch, too. There's plenty of precedent for it.Luck had nothing to do with it. She was the best candidate, and she won.
Obviously not all Presidents will be popular. The amazing thing about elections is that, if you do end up with an unpopular one, you get kick them the heck out of office
I see plenty of problems with this. You claim that there'll be enough powers to be worth having, but not enough to attract people to want it - so who will fill it? I predict the incumbents will be allies of the party leaders, who will use their ally in the Palace to frustrate the government of the day. Referring bills to referendums is a very powerful act, and will be hotly sought after. There is a correlation, for example, between the bills the German president passes to referral by their Constitutional Court and the political sympathies of the president.It's the below post:
Let's have a ceremonial elected HoS with limited powers - referring controversial Laws to referendum, for instance. This ensures that they've got enough power to be worth having, but not enough to attract those who want it (those who want power are invariably the worst possible people to trust with it ). Ban all MPs from becoming HoS and vice versa - nobody who is power hungry would touch it with a barge pole. Don't let the parties get involved, and job's a good one!
Could you conceive of him saying he wants to be an inactive one?He's been quoted as saying he wants to be an 'Active Monarch'. Doesn't sound that great to me!
And yet they are aristocratic institutions essentially. The US Constitution was consciously established to be a blend of monarchy, aristocracy and democracy - do you consider this problematic?Don't need to. They're meritocracies, which are fine in certain institutions. I don't like aristocracy. -
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Re: The Government says there's no money...but Gove says get a £60m yacht for the QueIt's not about 'stupidity'. You're not a stupid person, but would I want you to conduct a heart transplant? No; there are people who are qualified for the role. Election does not necessarily bring qualified people, but training the heirs brings us nearer to that ideal.(Original post by JoeLatics)
You're making it out to be this insanely incomprehensible role, when it clearly is not! I'm not going to join some of the people on my side of the argument who would have us call Lizzy Windsor lazy. Yes, it's a demanding job. Is it difficult? Is everyone in Britain just too stupid to do it?
Granted, although I've seen some pretty nasty things by republicans! It's certainly not good to judge either side by its extremes.I know you didn't... some would have us believe that the sun shines out of her every orifice, however! I know it's not scientific by any means, but this post gives you an idea of what I'm talking about!
But that never happens. Aren't you assuming people will vote in one bloc?Nope. If the people want a younger representative, they can have one. If they want an older representative, they can have one.
The Queen rules now? How do you consider the German president? Is that elitist too?I disagree. I don't think that "a form of government in which a few elite citizens rule" is acceptable in the 21st century. -
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Re: The Government says there's no money...but Gove says get a £60m yacht for the QueLet me tell you, and all the people that negged me, something. There is a reason why I call them degenerate, inbred and filthy. They have eugenicists, neo-feudalists and Nazi links.(Original post by Jonesy12)
The very definition of irony. I take it igonorance is something advocated where you come from? The Queen has asked for nothing, the Royal Family has asked for nothing, the Royal Family, "these degenerate people", contribute more to this economy than you could ever hope in your petty and deluded imaginings.
Go read the Daily Mail, K?
The 'Windsor' name is a fake one, made to renounce their original German name Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, hiding their strong German ancestory. Not that I have anything against Germans, but you don't see an English family going over there and ruling them.
For centuries they have called themselves God’s appointed rulers of over half of the planet, killing, torturing and maiming anyone who crosses it. They used to have 'grooms of the stool' that wiped their bottoms after them, for christs skake!
Prince Phillip has a history of being racist. In 1984 he asked a Kenyan woman “You are a woman, aren’t you?”. In 1986 he told British students in China ”If you stay here much longer, you will go home with slitty eyes.” You could fill a book with the amount of racist remarks he's made.
In the foreword to his 1986 book If I Were an Animal, Prince Philip wrote, “In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation.”
I know that you will doubt what I have said, but read this: http://www.infowars.com/modern-briti...eo-feudalists/
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Re: The Government says there's no money...but Gove says get a £60m yacht for the QueI wish I could claim that a luxury yacht bought for myself by the taxpayer would improve the economy, reduce unemployment and bring several thousand dead orphan children back to life.
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Re: The Government says there's no money...but Gove says get a £60m yacht for the QueOh no! They're GERMANS! Quick, someone arrest them!(Original post by LFCdanny08)
Let me tell you, and all the people that negged me, something. There is a reason why I call them degenerate, inbred and filthy. They have eugenicists, neo-feudalists and Nazi links.
The 'Windsor' name is a fake one, made to renounce their original German name Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, hiding their strong German ancestory. Not that I have anything against Germans, but you don't see an English family going over there and ruling them.
Half the country is German dude.
You could say this about any ruler in history - past or present, monarch or not. People will always hate their rulers.For centuries they have called themselves God’s appointed rulers of over half of the planet, killing, torturing and maiming anyone who crosses it. They used to have 'grooms of the stool' that wiped their bottoms after them, for christs skake!
So we should abolish the monarchy because the husband of the Queen is A Little Bit non-PC.Prince Phillip has a history of being racist. In 1984 he asked a Kenyan woman “You are a woman, aren’t you?”. In 1986 he told British students in China ”If you stay here much longer, you will go home with slitty eyes.” You could fill a book with the amount of racist remarks he's made.
In the foreword to his 1986 book If I Were an Animal, Prince Philip wrote, “In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation.”
I know that you will doubt what I have said, but read this: http://www.infowars.com/modern-briti...eo-feudalists/
Or is "igonorance is something advocated where you come from?"
) if you don't go along with the above!
