[Organ]

(Original post by Manzzzzz)
7)The arrogant atheist.

(Original post by ak137)
I think one would be very naive to take everything at face value.

Can you answer this question?

You seem to be suggesting that Press TV has been forced off air.

Can you find another channel that does not follow section 362(2) of the Broadcasting Act (1990), Communications Act (2003) and the Broadcasting Act (1996)?

[MxSK]

(Original post by Manzzzzz)
Firstly, Press TV does not constantly deny the holocaust, the link Democracy posted was the view of an English writer and historian, this is basic journalism. And as stated at the bottom of the article in red "The views expressed in this article are those of the author and not necessarily those of Press TV." The bias running through Sky News is more of a disgrace.

The reason given by OFCOM was that there was an administrative discrepancy relating to the license signed in 2007 and that editorial control is in Tehran and not in London. This is suspicious as it happened 4 years ago and this administrative problem could have easily been sorted out. Press TV operated on exactly the same model as many other news channels. This is nothing to do with this administrative matter but is because of the tensions running high between UK and Iran and is also an attempt to silence an alternative voice which is a display of media censorship.

This is a blow to the governments hypocritical stance of being in favour of freedom of speech and freedom of expressions, we are told we must go to war in other countries or sanction countries in order to bring such freedoms to them. The whole world can now see that this is a hypocritical move and not democracy.

There are vast obscene and disgusting sex channels operating under OFCOM's nose and they are free to do so. Press TV has built a massive audience in a couple of years and has become widely popular. The executives of OFCOM are highly paid servants of the British state, they are not independent and live out of the British purse. OFCOM is a servant to the British Government and has also constantly harassed Press TV on the issue of Israel and Palestine.

If Press TV London does not control the editorial content why were they fined £100,000 and if Press TV London does control the content why was it's licence revoked. This is an inherent contradiction on OFCOM's stance. Also the number of times OFCOM changed there mind regarding a number of issues with Press TV is beyond me.

As shown in the Wikileaks cables which reveal a discussion between British and American officials that explicitly states that steps were being taken to find a way to take Press TV London off the air. A highly placed foreign official was also quoted in the Sunday Times (Murdoch's newspaper) saying efforts were being made to take Press TV off the air. This was long before any question of fines over 10 second news clips. Press TV were gaining a large share of the audience and many people were queuing to be interviewed as it is a voice for the voiceless.

There is no talk or news of revoking the license for Rupert Murdoch's News International who run the Sky Platform and yet the supposed crimes of Press TV pay little insignificance to what News International has done so there is no doubt of double standards here by OFCOM.

As relations with other countries differ the same will be done to those news channels. Francis Bacon said self censorship is the arrow that flies in the night, no one sees it but achieves it's desired effect. People at the top of other media outlets will know that if they fall foul of the British Anglo-American foreign policy they will self censor themselves before OFCOM has to do it for them.

What we need to do is look at things from an objective point of view taking into account everything that matters and steer clear of any bias. There are many agendas here...

Peace.

I don't care that PressTV is biased, that is irrelevant to me, just as you rightly point out there are many biased networks out there. In fact sometimes it may be useful to see what message/line the iranian regime wants to send out. But this is not the crime of PressTV. Their crime is something MUCH more disgusting.

You support the plight of the Palestinians, so i ask you this, why do you ignore the plight of the Iranian people? Do they not also deserve to be free? How can you show so little empathy for people like Maziar Bahari? This man SUFFERED and was HUMILIATED in some of the worse ways possible in this world, directly at the hands of PressTV.

I plead to you to at least listen to this:
http://www.frontlineclub.com/events/...m-in-iran.html

You can skip to 9:20ish to get right to the bit where Maziar Bahari speaks, and he eventually does get to what he went through and how PressTV got involved.


If you're interested:
Talking to jason jones of the daily show, more broadly on what happened to him in 2009, but PressTVs involvment is part of it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJXgR9UbmWU

And this man was one of the luckiest because of his higher profile, this is why he was given press attention. To the many thousands who did not have this luxury, their suffering went unnoticed, under less international scrutiny and many are still in prison because they have no one to speak for them!

[Angry cucumber]

(Original post by Manzzzzz)
Firstly, Press TV does not constantly deny the holocaust, the link Democracy posted was the view of an English writer and historian, this is basic journalism. And as stated at the bottom of the article in red "The views expressed in this article are those of the author and not necessarily those of Press TV." The bias and propaganda running through Sky News is more of a disgrace.

The reason given by OFCOM was that there was an administrative discrepancy relating to the license signed in 2007 and that editorial control is in Tehran and not in London. This is suspicious as it happened 4 years ago and this administrative problem could have easily been sorted out. Press TV operated on exactly the same model as many other news channels. This is nothing to do with this administrative matter but is because of the tensions running high between UK and Iran and is also an attempt to silence an alternative voice which is a display of media censorship.

This is a blow to the governments hypocritical stance of being in favour of freedom of speech and freedom of expressions, we are told we must go to war in other countries or sanction countries in order to bring such freedoms to them. The whole world can now see that this is a hypocritical move and not democracy.

There are vast obscene and disgusting sex channels operating under OFCOM's nose and they are free to do so. Press TV has built a massive audience in a couple of years and has become widely popular. The executives of OFCOM are highly paid servants of the British state, they are not independent and live out of the British purse. OFCOM is a servant to the British Government and has also constantly harassed Press TV on the issue of Israel and Palestine.

If Press TV London does not control the editorial content why were they fined £100,000 and if Press TV London does control the content why was it's licence revoked. This is an inherent contradiction on OFCOM's stance. Also the number of times OFCOM changed there mind regarding a number of issues with Press TV is beyond me.

As shown in the Wikileaks cables which reveal a discussion between British and American officials that explicitly states that steps were being taken to find a way to take Press TV London off the air. A highly placed foreign official was also quoted in the Sunday Times (Murdoch's newspaper) saying efforts were being made to take Press TV off the air. This was long before any question of fines over 10 second news clips. Press TV were gaining a large share of the audience and many people were queuing to be interviewed as it prides itself for calling it the voice for the voiceless.

There is no talk or news of revoking the license for Rupert Murdoch's News International who run the Sky Platform and yet the supposed crimes of Press TV pay little insignificance to what News International has done so there is no doubt of double standards here by OFCOM.

As relations with other countries differ the same will be done to those news channels. Francis Bacon said self censorship is the arrow that flies in the night, no one sees it but achieves it's desired effect. People at the top of other media outlets will know that if they fall foul of the British Anglo-American foreign policy they will self censor themselves before OFCOM has to do it for them.

What we need to do is look at things from an objective point of view taking into account everything that matters and steer clear of any bias. There are many agendas here...

Peace.

Wow just wow, saying middle-Right wing bias as being worse than giving air time to holocaust deniers.

You do know that denying the Holocaust is illegal?

Last time I checked Sky news is run by a country that systematically kills protestors against the rule of the government.

I am yet to see Rupert Murdoch, try to enrich uranium threatening the stability of an entire continent.

Have you seen an interview on Sky news where the person just before the start of the interview has been tortured? No you haven't.

Your argument is funny for being so bad.

"There are vast obscene and disgusting sex channels operating under OFCOM's nose and they are free to do so." They have a license for that so that they don't have their broadcasting rights revoked. Press TV wasn't sticking to it's license so had it revoked simple yes?

Large audience and lots of people wanting to get interviewed? George Galloway and Yvonne Ridely sound great.....

Come on neg brigade do your worst

[Organ]

(Original post by Angry cucumber)
You do know that denying the Holocaust is illegal?

No it isn't. Not in the United Kingdom.

[Manzzzzz]

(Original post by MxSK)
I don't care that PressTV is biased, that is irrelevant to me, just as you rightly point out there are many biased networks out there. In fact sometimes it may be useful to see what message/line the iranian regime wants to send out. But this is not the crime of PressTV. Their crime is something MUCH more disgusting.

You support the plight of the Palestinians, so i ask you this, why do you ignore the plight of the Iranian people? Do they not also deserve to be free? How can you show so little empathy for people like Maziar Bahari? This man SUFFERED and was HUMILIATED in some of the worse ways possible in this world, directly at the hands of PressTV.

I plead to you to at least listen to this:
http://www.frontlineclub.com/events/...m-in-iran.html

You can skip to 9:20ish to get right to the bit where Maziar Bahari speaks, and he eventually does get to what he went through and how PressTV got involved.


If you're interested:
Talking to jason jones of the daily show, more broadly on what happened to him in 2009, but PressTVs involvment is part of it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJXgR9UbmWU

Who says I ignore the plight of Iranian people?

Nobody should expect people to feel no affinity to innocent people who have died and are dying everyday in Iraq, to feel no affinity to the near 1.4 million people made refugees in Pakistan, to feel no affinity to the people in occupied Palestine and you cannot expect people to feel no affinity or kinship to the people of Afghanistan.

We have to look at the bigger picture and that is a discussion for another day.

[Manzzzzz]

(Original post by Angry cucumber)
Wow just wow, saying middle-Right wing bias as being worse than giving air time to holocaust deniers.

You do know that denying the Holocaust is illegal?

Last time I checked Sky news is run by a country that systematically kills protestors against the rule of the government.

I am yet to see Rupert Murdoch, try to enrich uranium threatening the stability of an entire continent.

Have you seen an interview on Sky news where the person just before the start of the interview has been tortured? No you haven't.

Your argument is funny for being so bad.

"There are vast obscene and disgusting sex channels operating under OFCOM's nose and they are free to do so." They have a license for that so that they don't have their broadcasting rights revoked. Press TV wasn't sticking to it's license so had it revoked simple yes?

Large audience and lots of people wanting to get interviewed? George Galloway and Yvonne Ridely sound great.....

Come on neg brigade do your worst

Where have I or Press TV denied the holocaust? That is all I am saying.

Let me guess you think the dropping of nuclear bombs by America were justified right...

It is nothing to do with the license, this is just window dressing for yourself, the undiscerning.

[lambert1]

Their reasoning for taking it off the air sounds ridiculous, you need a permit to edit a TV channel from another country... it just sounds like more useless bureaucracy to bleed businesses dry.

[Organ]

(Original post by Manzzzzz)
We have to look at the bigger picture and that is a discussion for another day.

Can you find another channel that does not follow section 362(2) of the Broadcasting Act (1990), Communications Act (2003) and the Broadcasting Act (1996)?


Thanks.

If you can then this is a separate issue entirely, I however have looked, and cannot, thus I am happy with OFCOM's decision.

[Angry cucumber]

(Original post by Manzzzzz)
Where have I or Press TV denied the holocaust? That is all I am saying.

Let me guess you think the dropping of nuclear bombs by America were justified right...

It is nothing to do with the license, this is just window dressing for yourself, the undiscerning.

Wow now your predicting my thoughts on war with Iran.

You are a genius..... Wait no you're a tit

War with Iran would be catastrophic - and the fallout of a nuke would blow onto the African continent and cause wide spread suffering- so no.

I'm undiscerning.... just because I don't believe the bile that is spewed from RT today and Press TV doesn't mean I'm undiscerning. I'm not gullible to feel like the world is a huge conspiracy.

Oh and this:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/170388.html

You mind has been blown.

[Manzzzzz]

(Original post by Angry cucumber)
Wow now your predicting my thoughts on war with Iran.

You are a genius..... Wait no you're a tit

War with Iran would be catastrophic - and the fallout of a nuke would blow onto the African continent and cause wide spread suffering- so no.

I'm undiscerning.... just because I don't believe the bile that is spewed from RT today and Press TV doesn't mean I'm undiscerning. I'm not gullible to feel like the world is a huge conspiracy.

Oh and this:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/170388.html

You mind has been blown.

I was talking about previous nuclear attacks.

Denying the holocaust is another matter, make a thread if you wish.

[Manzzzzz]

(Original post by Organ)
[B][SIZE="5"] thus I am happy with OFCOM's decision.

Your undiscerning self would be happy, good day.

[Manzzzzz]

(Original post by Angry cucumber)
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/170388.html

You mind has been blown.

Oh and where does it say in that article that Press TV is denying the holocaust?

[Angry cucumber]

(Original post by Manzzzzz)
Oh and where does it say in that article that Press TV is denying the holocaust?

You don't write an article criticizing the laws in which it is illegal to deny the holocaust; unless you have an axe to grind with :

"Regardless of the reliability and truthfulness of the claim that the Nazi regime of Germany massacred six million Jews during the World War II, what should be noted by astute and wise people is that even conducting a scientific research on the authenticity of Holocaust is forbidden in the European countries and those who boldly cross this red line will be punished severely."


"Dr. Toben shared the destiny of several Holocaust deniers who were brutally sent to prisons and tortured for simply questioning the genuineness of a "historical event" which the Zionists claim to have taken place without any doubt."


You make me sick.

[Manzzzzz]

(Original post by Angry cucumber)
You don't write an article criticizing the laws in which it is illegal to deny the holocaust; unless you have an axe to grind with :

"Regardless of the reliability and truthfulness of the claim that the Nazi regime of Germany massacred six million Jews during the World War II, what should be noted by astute and wise people is that even conducting a scientific research on the authenticity of Holocaust is forbidden in the European countries and those who boldly cross this red line will be punished severely."


"Dr. Toben shared the destiny of several Holocaust deniers who were brutally sent to prisons and tortured for simply questioning the genuineness of a "historical event" which the Zionists claim to have taken place without any doubt."


You make me sick.

So you couldn't find where Press TV denied the holocaust then...

Good day, and if you do not having anything good to say or wish to post regarding the topic of the thread then please refrain from posting.

Peace.

[Organ]

(Original post by Manzzzzz)
Your undiscerning self would be happy, good day.

Can you answer my question then? No. It appears not. This is a non-issue, Press TV did not follow section 362(2) of the Broadcasting Act (1990), Communications Act (2003) and the Broadcasting Act (1996) hence it's license was revoked. All the other channels you mentioned follow section 362(2). You have come across as quite childish, I am asking quite an obvious question - but I suppose when your argument is based on logical fallacies and emotion this doesn't matter? find me another channel that does not follow section 362(2) of the Broadcasting Act (1990), Communications Act (2003) and the Broadcasting Act (1996). What I find more concerning was the shut-down of MED TV after pressure from the Turkish government.

[soyasauce]

hmm

[Aphotic Cosmos]

(Original post by ak137)
Sad day for democracy in this country.

Why not ban all state run TV channels then? Like RussiaToday, BBC etc

All this, while Murdoch's Sky News propaganda is going strong.

Difference is that RT does actually offer some critical analysis of Western policy and doesn't force opponents of the Russian state to confess to crimes on live TV. The BBC is self-critical and even broadcasts segments on the news channel devoted to how it's handling viewer complaints and queries about programming (NewsWatch). PressTV is a shameless mouthpiece for the Iranian state with not even a vestige of editorial independence, funded to stir up **** in the West and put across a worldview that is different (great, I like diversity) but also plagued with serious inaccuracies and blatant lies.

News channels must be held to account either by market forces or by regulators. Since there is no real market to speak of for Iranian propaganda, it falls to the regulators to ensure that basic journalistic standards are maintained. Those standards were not maintained, the station is now closed.

[ak137]

(Original post by Organ)
Can you answer my question then? No. It appears not. This is a non-issue, Press TV did not follow section 362(2) of the Broadcasting Act (1990), Communications Act (2003) and the Broadcasting Act (1996) hence it's license was revoked. All the other channels you mentioned follow section 362(2). You have come across as quite childish, I am asking quite an obvious question - but I suppose when your argument is based on logical fallacies and emotion this doesn't matter? find me another channel that does not follow section 362(2) of the Broadcasting Act (1990), Communications Act (2003) and the Broadcasting Act (1996). What I find more concerning was the shut-down of MED TV after pressure from the Turkish government.

in the UK's eyes, UK-Turkish relations are too critical to severe, probably why they complied.

[ak137]

(Original post by Democracy)
Because this is TSR and unless the victim is Palestinian, a lot of people will turn a blind eye, and even better, the Islamist neg brigade will come after you

I love your double standards. When an ordinary person talks about Palestinians in a thread about Iran, you get vexed & threaten them with a warning But now you're doing it, its okay! Keep up the good work

The bold bit: Slightly offensive, not everyone that negs an anti-islam thread is an "islamist". In case you didnt know, Islamist is a term to describe radical islam.

[Democracy]

(Original post by ak137)
I love your double standards. When an ordinary person talks about Palestinians in a thread about Iran, you get vexed & threaten them with a warning But now you're doing it, its okay! Keep up the good work

I'm not debating the conflict or derailing the thread topic, in fact I'm pointing out certain double standards seen in this forum (and in wider society). But once again, if you have an issue with my "double standards" stop whinging about it, and take some action here.

""

The bold bit: Slightly offensive, not everyone that negs an anti-islam thread is an "islamist". In case you didnt know, Islamist is a term to describe radical islam.

The bold bit: cry me a river

In addition, I can see who's negged me (so I can figure out whether they're Islamists or not), and this isn't an "anti-Islam thread" anyway.