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At what age does it become weird to still be a virgin?

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Reply 40
Original post by daphodil
Hmm I lost mine at 21 (I'm 21 now) to a guy I was seeing (who became my boyfriend later) and he didn't care in the slightest that I was a virgin. I struggle to see how it wouldn't "wash" with people. If you were dating a person you got on really well with and discovered they were a virgin because they hadn't felt ready prior to that or the opportunity hadn't arose, I don't think many people would be shallow enough to immediately drop them. Or maybe I was just lucky?!

i think if you love the person a lot (i.e. you would strongly consider moving in with them and spending your life with them) then you wont care much.

i think it differs between boys and girls. boys wont care much and even find it admirable 'cos for a girl there is no skill in getting sex. if she is quite an old virgin (which 21 is), then it shows she had control over her urges and waited for the right person.:tongue:

for a boy, being an old virgin will invariably be seen as a bad thing. it shows he is poor with women, he might be creepy, he might be downright ugly. it could mean several things but all of them are bad. boys (many will claim the contrary) want lots of sex. they dont care much about waiting for the right girl. if they say they care, they will almost always be lying. that is purely an excuse for their lack of social skills/skills with women that has prevented them having sex.
Reply 41
Original post by Movember
i think if you love the person a lot (i.e. you would strongly consider moving in with them and spending your life with them) then you wont care much.

i think it differs between boys and girls. boys wont care much and even find it admirable 'cos for a girl there is no skill in getting sex. if she is quite an old virgin (which 21 is), then it shows she had control over her urges and waited for the right person.:tongue:

for a boy, being an old virgin will invariably be seen as a bad thing. it shows he is poor with women, he might be creepy, he might be downright ugly. it could mean several things but all of them are bad. boys (many will claim the contrary) want lots of sex. they dont care much about waiting for the right girl. if they say they care, they will almost always be lying. that is purely an excuse for their lack of social skills/skills with women that has prevented them having sex.


But it's unlikely you'll fall that deeply in love until you've dated for a while/had sex? On my uni course, I know of at least 3 male virgins ranging from 19-21 and they're all lovely guys (ie. not creepy!) but arn't the types to lose it casually and haven't had girlfriends yet, probably because our course is full of boys. If I wasn't with my boyfriend, I would date any of them as they're all perfectly "normal", nice guys and would have sex with them if we had a few successful dates. I would appreicate they were virgins, so would expect the first few times to involve tackling the basics then see what happened both sexually and relationship-wise. It doesn't mean I expect us to move in together or buy a house though, if he turned out to be The One...great! If not, oh well we had a good time together, and then we'll move on.

I just don't get why it would be such a big deal at our age, I think it's more strange to date someone thinking "This will be the person I'll move in with so they better be good at sex immediately" than just enjoying someone's company and seing how it goes gradually...if the "virgin" in question turns out to be poor sexually and you can't handle it, move on. I have a few friends who have ended relationships because the person they're dating who weren't virgins were crap in bed. In fact, a virgin can be a very good thing as you can teach them exactly what you like as they won't know any different!
Reply 42
Original post by daphodil
Well yes, but how do you know if you're sexually compatible until you've had sex with them? I just think it'd be strange to shun somebody who you had a connection with after hearing they were a virgin. Even with 2 people who arn't virgins and who get together, it's always a learning curve to see what the others like. A virgin, after the first couple of times, is no different.


Well to be honest, I have had crushes on virgins before and the fact that they're virgins didn't affect my feelings for them. However I know that to get into a relationship with them, it would be unlikely to work out because I like to be the submissive one sexually so I want them to be the person with the most experience. This is just a personal thing. We're all different and I'd rather make that distinction then get into a relationship with someone who might end up getting hurt. I don't want to be teaching a guy how to have sex - to me that's a violation of traditional romance roles.

I have to disagree with you when you say that "a virgin, after the first couple of times, is no different". Sexual experience counts for a lot and I've noticed the difference. It's more than just sticking it in there. My face dropped when I had sex with a guy who didn't know where the clit is.

Another point is that non-virgins are more likely to know themselves sexually because the floodgates (perhaps blocking any sexual repression) will have opened and I might be able to determine if we have similarly matched sex drives. You can't really have an idea of your sex drive until you've had sex for the first time.

For many people losing their virginity is quite a deeply emotional experience. Sex isn't as emotional for me as it used to be although I prefer to have it when I'm in love. Because of losing virginity having so much meaning for that person, I don't want to be the one to take it when I think they'll find a more meaningful experience with someone who is also a virgin. If the girl isn't a virgin and the guy is, it puts a lot of pressure on him to perform.

EDIT: Why'd I get negged for this? Please give me a response - I want my views to be challenged. :smile: Also, before I get accused of being narrow-minded, I actually used to believe in abstinence but my views have changed with age and experience to pretty much the opposite. As a result I have to say that I'm quite understanding about this stuff. What I wrote is my opinion and I have never suggested otherwise.
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Reply 43
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lLshTBfZ2A

Just to show that not everyone loses it at 14/15 etc...
Reply 44
Original post by EmmaJane_
Age doesn't matter.
You should have sex when you're ready, if that's 16 or 60 it doesn't matter!

I have been ready since 5.
For girls, if shes older and a virgin, its by choice.

For guys however, then you start asking questions. Not that there is anything wrong with it, many just have poor social/communication skills. Looks alone will only get men interest, they then need to do the rest.
Reply 46
Original post by ihateocr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lLshTBfZ2A

Just to show that not everyone loses it at 14/15 etc...


It also shows it's much easier for women than for men. Good thing about this video is that there are men with the balls to say they lost it when they were over 20.
Reply 47
Original post by Pheylan
I'd have thought it'd be the other way around


To be honest, I've seen a lot of both on TSR. Seems to be wildly differing opinion.
To be honest, I'm 17 and have been told that it's weird I'm a virgin. Mainly because I am pretty (not being vain what I've been told) and in fact I find that guys want me more as soon as I tell them I'm a virgin because they think they will be the first to 'pop' my 'cherry'. So personally, IDK I feel like an alien to guys lol. I'm a rare species, I guess I should be proud.
This preference to remain a virgin is my OWN choice not because I lack choice. Trust me, I can show you many real conversations I have had with the opposite sex, I have options..put it that way. Lol.
However, in terms of WEIRD WEIRD, I say like mid-20's.
Reply 49
Original post by Lucia.
Well to be honest, I have had crushes on virgins before and the fact that they're virgins didn't affect my feelings for them. However I know that to get into a relationship with them, it would be unlikely to work out because I like to be the submissive one sexually so I want them to be the person with the most experience. This is just a personal thing. We're all different and I'd rather make that distinction then get into a relationship with someone who might end up getting hurt. I don't want to be teaching a guy how to have sex - to me that's a violation of traditional romance roles.

I have to disagree with you when you say that "a virgin, after the first couple of times, is no different". Sexual experience counts for a lot and I've noticed the difference. It's more than just sticking it in there. My face dropped when I had sex with a guy who didn't know where the clit is.

Another point is that non-virgins are more likely to know themselves sexually because the floodgates (perhaps blocking any sexual repression) will have opened and I might be able to determine if we have similarly matched sex drives. You can't really have an idea of your sex drive until you've had sex for the first time.

For many people losing their virginity is quite a deeply emotional experience. Sex isn't as emotional for me as it used to be although I prefer to have it when I'm in love. Because of losing virginity having so much meaning for that person, I don't want to be the one to take it when I think they'll find a more meaningful experience with someone who is also a virgin. If the girl isn't a virgin and the guy is, it puts a lot of pressure on him to perform.

EDIT: Why'd I get negged for this? Please give me a response - I want my views to be challenged. :smile: Also, before I get accused of being narrow-minded, I actually used to believe in abstinence but my views have changed with age and experience to pretty much the opposite. As a result I have to say that I'm quite understanding about this stuff. What I wrote is my opinion and I have never suggested otherwise.


For the record I didn't neg you...I do understand your argument.

See you say you like to be the submissive one, but it would be a shame if you were unable to take control a few times for sex that may turn out to be fantastic later on. Most guys who are virgins are sexually frustrated, and will watch lots of porn to make up for it (my friends certainly do). Therefore they're clued up in terms of positions/where everything is etc, it's just a case of someone giving them a chance and not judging them for their virginity. See I was a virgin till I was 21 because between the ages of 16-20, the only friends I had were girls. It took my to get to uni to actually start interacting with guys for the first time, and at first I was naturally quite nervous around them. However I'm now totally fine around guys, and it just took 1 guy to show me the ropes and now I feel fully confident. I'm not "weird" or creepy, I consider myself to be a nice girl and not totally repulsive looking either but I just didn't come into contact with guys till recently and those who I did come into contact with were in relationships.

I think we seem to differ quite hugely when it comes to the act of sex. I would be fine taking a guys virginity if I really liked him and he's happy for me to take it. I also don't embark on relationships thinking it's going to last forever, so therefore would be happy to have sex with someone I got on really well with with the potential for a relationship, rather than only ever having sex when I'm in love.

I don't understand how people can assume virgins will be rubbish sexually and take ages to pick things up when they're a bit older, just because they're virgins in their 20's. Like I said, for most people it's a case of a total lack of relationship opportunities and not having the desire to lose it to a random.
Reply 50
Original post by daphodil
Most guys who are virgins are sexually frustrated, and will watch lots of porn to make up for it (my friends certainly do). Therefore they're clued up in terms of positions/where everything is etc, it's just a case of someone giving them a chance and not judging them for their virginity.


No amount of porn is going to substitute for actual sexual experience - you can't learn to swim sitting by the pool.

I do agree that completely writing someone off for being a virgin/unexperienced is a tad harsh, but it will be a bit of a sticking point for many. And it also might say something about that person.
Reply 51
Original post by daphodil
See you say you like to be the submissive one, but it would be a shame if you were unable to take control a few times for sex that may turn out to be fantastic later on.


I don't mind taking control sometimes once I'm in a relationship, but for the first intimate moment, I don't like the idea of doing that at all. My friends have told me that they've had good sex with virgins before but we know it's not that common to find that. Part of me doesn't want to take the risk since I've been burnt before. I don't think it would be fair on the guy either if I was to get into something I'm not sure about. The awkward fumbling of first time sex isn't an activity I want to engage in. It's not actually the virginity per se that's making me feel this - it's the fact that I like the man to be in control and to hold the reigns of the relationship. This is pretty instinctive on my part so I haven't spent a lot of time rationalising it - it's just what works for me.

Original post by daphodil
Most guys who are virgins are sexually frustrated, and will watch lots of porn to make up for it (my friends certainly do). Therefore they're clued up in terms of positions/where everything is etc, it's just a case of someone giving them a chance and not judging them for their virginity.


You can learn something from porn but it simply isn't that great. So many of the orgasms are fake and the foreplay isn't enough. Men who rely on porn to learn about sex don't know how to pleasure a woman.

I've never had an orgasm from sex with any man. :frown: I can only orgasm on my own. I want someone to give me an orgasm and that's more likely to come from someone who's had sexual experience.

Original post by daphodil
See I was a virgin till I was 21 because between the ages of 16-20, the only friends I had were girls. It took my to get to uni to actually start interacting with guys for the first time, and at first I was naturally quite nervous around them. However I'm now totally fine around guys, and it just took 1 guy to show me the ropes and now I feel fully confident.


I was the same until I lost my innocence at university. When I lost my virginity I sort of thought that that was it but being in other sexual relationships properly taught me what it was all about. It's true what you say - it's all about building confidence. I understand that that's what some men will be like. Now I have no doubt that they are good people and I wouldn't have any issue being friends with them...But it's not my job to boost a boy's confidence as he should have that confidence already. I don't want to be his Madonna. I've dated guys with the mother complex stuff and I find it a bit creepy tbh.

For men, well they like it when they can show a girl the ropes and warp her in bed. For a woman, that's not someone you enjoy. If women says they enjoy that they are either in denial or an extreme Alpha female who likes to dominate Beta males and use them for her own ends. I'm not either.

Original post by daphodil
I would be fine taking a guys virginity if I really liked him and he's happy for me to take it.


I would have said the same thing aged 17 (the year I lost my virginity). But now at 22 I'm simply far too sexually aware and experienced. I want to date a man who's at least on level with me in sexual awareness levels. I want the man to be into really kinky sex. I can't tell how much a virgin guy would be into that and I'd be a bit scared of creeping him out. That's really a minor worry though. When I say I prefer not to date virgins, it actually has less to do with how skilled they are in bed. It's more the fact that I know how much first time sex changes a person. It's a huge change and a signal that they've reached the end of their youth. I don't want to steal a boy's innocence. It's possible too that they might expect more than I'm able to give.

Original post by daphodil
I also don't embark on relationships thinking it's going to last forever, so therefore would be happy to have sex with someone I got on really well with with the potential for a relationship, rather than only ever having sex when I'm in love.


I'm the same as I've had some casual experience. I agree that you don't have to be in love to have sex. There's nothing with having some self-imposed restraints but if you limit yourself too much you might miss out on something/someone amazing.

Original post by daphodil
I don't understand how people can assume virgins will be rubbish sexually and take ages to pick things up when they're a bit older, just because they're virgins in their 20's.


Being a virgin in your early 20s isn't that uncommon. If the man was older than 25 I'd find it weird because I'd wonder why they hadn't taken advantage of any opportunities. Most people have also had a good deal of relationship experience by that point. I'm only being honest here and I know that many of my friends would feel the same.

Original post by daphodil
Like I said, for most people it's a case of a total lack of relationship opportunities and not having the desire to lose it to a random.


Exactly. Well I understand that and I don't see people who are virgins as deficient at all. I just know that I don't want to date them. So sexual experience isn't the be-all-end-all but it's important up to a point. A male virgin would be at a different stage developmentally to me so we wouldn't be well matched at all.
Reply 52
Original post by kingme
I do agree that completely writing someone off for being a virgin/unexperienced is a tad harsh, but it will be a bit of a sticking point for many. And it also might say something about that person.


I know what you mean. Sometimes I do feel harsh and wonder if I write off virgin guys too much but at the same time I'm trying to be honest about myself and what attracts me and I think that, ultimately, that's what is best for both parties. When you say that "it also might say something about that person" what do you mean? Do you think women with sexual experience and who prefer their men to have more, are being unfair about those with less experience? Interested to hear your views. :smile:
Reply 53
Original post by Lucia.
I know what you mean. Sometimes I do feel harsh and wonder if I write off virgin guys too much but at the same time I'm trying to be honest about myself and what attracts me and I think that, ultimately, that's what is best for both parties. When you say that "it also might say something about that person" what do you mean? Do you think women with sexual experience and who prefer their men to have more, are being unfair about those with less experience? Interested to hear your views. :smile:


How many virgin guys do you meet? :tongue:

I meant that it says something about the virgin. Because men who say they're waiting for the right person are lying. :lol:
Reply 54
Well I'm 28 and only lost my virginity last year to a ons. Does that mean I'm going to be dumped cause I'm inexperienced
Original post by kingme
How many virgin guys do you meet? :tongue:

I meant that it says something about the virgin. Because men who say they're waiting for the right person are lying. :lol:


Maybe they're not lying as such, but are just prepared to sleep with many people BEFORE the right person comes along. :sexface:
Reply 56
Original post by Lucia.
Sometimes I do feel harsh and wonder if I write off virgin guys too much but at the same time I'm trying to be honest about myself and what attracts me and I think that, ultimately, that's what is best for both parties.


For me you always gave the impression that you demand too much and offer too little. For me, that's a person that I would avoid and probably some potential bfs might avoid you due to that reason. Probably if you drop a few standards you might be luckier and who knows, happier.

Original post by Lucia.
Do you think women with sexual experience and who prefer their men to have more, are being unfair about those with less experience?


Terribly unfair. It's logical to think that the first time for a virgin will be crap. However, once this person will get enough experience they might be the best sexual partner you ever had. You said that you don't want to teach a guy to satisfy you and perhaps this is the reason you won't get an orgasm. In my opinion this teaching preconception of yours is just plain stupid. By expecting a guy to read you like a book you are definitely losing out. Men do not have the ability to read minds ffs.

Original post by kingme
I meant that it says something about the virgin. Because men who say they're waiting for the right person are lying. :lol:


Of course you can speak in the behalf of all men :rolleyes:
Reply 57
Original post by gintoki
Of course you can speak in the behalf of all men :rolleyes:


So maybe you did/are waiting for the right girl, or know someone who did/is.

But if you gave most guys who say that the opportunity, they would take it with both hands. If they didn't, the reason would probably not be 'oh I'm waiting for the right girl'.
Reply 58
Original post by Kerr Avon
Maybe they're not lying as such, but are just prepared to sleep with many people BEFORE the right person comes along. :sexface:


I would count that as a lie. :tongue:
Reply 59
Original post by gintoki
For me you always gave the impression that you demand too much and offer too little. For me, that's a person that I would avoid and probably some potential bfs might avoid you due to that reason. Probably if you drop a few standards you might be luckier and who knows, happier.

Terribly unfair. It's logical to think that the first time for a virgin will be crap. However, once this person will get enough experience they might be the best sexual partner you ever had. You said that you don't want to teach a guy to satisfy you and perhaps this is the reason you won't get an orgasm. In my opinion this teaching preconception of yours is just plain stupid. By expecting a guy to read you like a book you are definitely losing out. Men do not have the ability to read minds ffs.


haha well I've almost slept with a virgin guy and it was not as good as I thought it'd be since he didn't know anything about female anatomy - totally creepy and almost feel like a cradle snatcher now :redface: I don't care if people like you would avoid me since I don't want to date anyone like that. If I drop my standards, I'll just be in some **** relationship where I'm sexually dissatisfied. Oh belive me...I have gone down the route of trying to teach a virgin and it doesn't end well - the fact is that I know what pleases me but virgins are often clueless. They don't have to read me like a book, they just have to know where the vagina and clit is (tall orders for some people).

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