Atheists are irrational.
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Re: Atheists are irrational.If you are going to explain the universe on the basis of science you cannot have science contradicting the science that explains the existence of the universe. Unless there is a greater control of a process, the process tends to chaos. If it is not under control it generates into chaos and the result will be random. And we are led to believe that the massive explosion of the big bang resulted in the perfection of the universe and not chaos. This is an example where science contradicts science.(Original post by Bilco)
Its the 'what begins to exist has a cause' argument. Doesn't matter how you put it. The argument fails at its premise because it assumes this to be the case for the start of the universe. Krauss tried to explain this in the William Lane Craig debate, but Craig wanted to talk about Jesus......with a theoretical physicist.....typical Craig.Last edited by Manzzzzz; 24-01-2012 at 23:45. -
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Re: Atheists are irrational.It's logically impossible to prove a negative. I.e you can't prove that the room that you are in isn't filled with invisible, undetectable fairies. So please excuse Atheists for not doing something that is impossible to do.(Original post by TheProfessional)
There are gaps with either theory, what gets me really irritated is pretentious Atheists who claim that Theists can prove nothing, when they cannot disprove it. -
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Re: Atheists are irrational.Atheists are irrational, they say I came from fish but my grandpa said I came from a stalk.
God athieists are STUPED!
/I'm really bored of hearing various version of argument based on ignorance. Before you post retarded threads, go and google your question. -
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Re: Atheists are irrational.You've really lost me now. How do you define chaos and why do you think the universe is perfect?(Original post by Manzzzzz)
If you are going to explain the universe on the basis of science you cannot have science contradicting the science that explains the contradicting of the universe. Unless there is a greater control of a process, the process tends to chaos. If it is not under control it generates into chaos and the result will be random. And we are led to believe that the massive explosion of the big bang resulted in the perfection of the universe and not chaos. This is an example where science contradicts science.How does this apply to the start of the universe when the process isn't fully understood and without first discovering if the universe could have existed in an infinite number of states? The big bang wasn't an explosion.(Original post by Manzzzzz)
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Re: Atheists are irrational.So it's rational to believe in a random all powerful being who created man out of dust, then took one of his ribs and created a woman. Then a talking snake told them to eat an apple that contained knowledge of good and evil thus leading them to be thrown out of a garden that no one knows the location of. Yeah, that's rational...
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Re: Atheists are irrational.Just because there seems to be no supporting evidence, doesn't mean there isn't! What about the aesthetic argument? Intelligent design? It depends, of course, what you class as evidence, but it is entirely possible that The Big Bang didn't happen at all! It is, after all, only a theory.(Original post by Gofre)
We don't simply say "belief is foolish" we say "belief in remarkably complex forms of deity with literally zero supporting evidence is foolish", there's a substantial difference.
Just using an example there, of course, because any reasonable person could see that it is an accepted scientific theory which makes perfect sense, but a lot of things make sense to people without overwhelming evidence. Just look at faith, for example, a lot of which does actually make reasonable sense. I'm not looking at any scripture particularly here, merely Theological arguments which are very convincing.
And if you want to stake your claim on the 'where did God come from then?' argument, just look at Leibniz's ideas about infinity. You cannot have infinite regress, so what better place to stop than an omnipotent being as opposed to chance? -
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Re: Atheists are irrational.I think that you will find few Christians nowadays who take that symbolic story literally! Please stop taking Christians for fools.(Original post by Cats150)
So it's rational to believe in a random all powerful being who created man out of dust, then took one of his ribs and created a woman. Then a talking snake told them to eat an apple that contained knowledge of good and evil thus leading them to be thrown out of a garden that no one knows the location of. Yeah, that's rational...
Actually, the rough location of the garden of Eden has been placed, if you would care to check this link here http://www.keyway.ca/gif/eden.gif -
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Re: Atheists are irrational.(Original post by 007pieman)
Atheist's call themselves rationalists but it is totally irrational to believe that the Big Bang was a random event. How could something come from nothing?
Ok then, as you believe in God, where did God come from?
Surely he didn't just come from 'nothing' (as you've pointed out something cannot come out of nothing) -
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Re: Atheists are irrational.Ok, in that case I amend it to "belief in remarkably complex forms of deity with literally zero available supporting evidence is foolish".(Original post by TheProfessional)
Just because there seems to be no supporting evidence, doesn't mean there isn't!
What atheistic argument?What about the aesthetic argument?
Go brush up on your scientific terminology, theories are one of the highest levels of certainty a field of study can obtain. It does not mean hypothesis or guess as laypeople use it. Gravitational theory and atomic theory and germ theory of disease are all "only theories", do you question those too?Intelligent design? It depends, of course, what you class as evidence, but it is entirely possible that The Big Bang didn't happen at all! It is, after all, only a theory.
It will make sense to the individual, but that is entirely their opinion. On an academic level, all ideas presented without evidence will be laughed at, no exceptions.Just using an example there, of course, because any reasonable person could see that it is an accepted scientific theory which makes perfect sense, but a lot of things make sense to people without overwhelming evidence.
That doesn't make it any more correct or rational.Just look at faith, for example, a lot of which does actually make reasonable sense.
Name one.I'm not looking at any scripture particularly here, merely Theological arguments which are very convincing.
The "where did god come from?" criticism is only used against the Kalam Cosmological Argument and it's various offshoots, with the conclusion that an infinite regress is impossible reinforcing the point. It is not a stand alone argument against god;s existence.And if you want to stake your claim on the 'where did God come from then?' argument, just look at Leibniz's ideas about infinity. You cannot have infinite regress, so what better place to stop than an omnipotent being as opposed to chance? -
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Re: Atheists are irrational.Don't go down that road. Its pointless.(Original post by Bright.Inspiration.)
Ok then, as you believe in God, where did God come from?
Surely he didn't just come from 'nothing' (as you've pointed out something cannot come out of nothing) -
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Re: Atheists are irrational.Coming from nothing, as opposed to something which has always existed for no explicable reason.(Original post by 007pieman)
Atheist's call themselves rationalists but it is totally irrational to believe that the Big Bang was a random event. How could something come from nothing? -
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Re: Atheists are irrational.No one knows the answer to this, and so it's an exercise in futility. Atheists don't know he answer and neither do Theists. Then why debate?? Simple, because both sides have a superiority complex, each secretly believing that the other 'side' are filled with idiots.
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Re: Atheists are irrational.(Original post by Bilco)
Don't go down that road. Its pointless.
The OP started it !
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Re: Atheists are irrational.I'm not saying it secretly, i'm publicly claiming that atheists are a bunch of idiots!(Original post by Freier._.lance)
No one knows the answer to this, and so it's an exercise in futility. Atheists don't know he answer and neither do Theists. Then why debate?? Simple, because both sides have a superiority complex, each secretly believing that the other 'side' are filled with idiots.
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Re: Atheists are irrational.(Original post by 007pieman)
Atheist's call themselves rationalists but it is totally irrational to believe that the Big Bang was a random event. How could something come from nothing?
For the Big Bang to occur there wasn't 'nothing' in the first place, and nor was it a truly random event.
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Re: Atheists are irrational.There has to be an ultimate being from the beginning which can only be GOD. And Islam does not deny the Big Bang, we understand the development, it's written in the Qu'ran you should look it up. We just believe God Caused it.(Original post by alex5455)
if its not possible to create something from nothing, where did god come from then?
thats a misunderstanding of the theory anyway it wasnt something from nothing, id look it up if i was you -
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Re: Atheists are irrational.Gofre,
What aesthetic argument? The one which bases itself on the form, structure, and design of the universe.
Do you question these too? I never said that I question any of those theories, I was merely trying to tell you that if you insist upon waiting for infallible evidence for everything, I'm afraid you will be waiting a hell of a long time.
That doesn't make it any more correct or rational. So basic moral beliefs, which ultimately all stem from ancestral religious values, such as 'all people are equal' are irrational?
Name one. Teleological argument.
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Re: Atheists are irrational.Lol, you know you could have changed the word there from 'Atheist' to 'Theist' and I would have been none the wiser that you were a Theist. Atheists and Theists have the same mentality (no offence), but it's funny to watch.(Original post by Juber_miah)
I'm not saying it secretly, i'm publicly claiming that atheists are a bunch of idiots!
