Nottingham teenager jailed for knifepoint double rape

I've dropped that, I do law, politics, psychology and english literature. Does someone who has an okay-ish upbringing have a reason to rape? Compared to someone who has no aspirations in their lives?

I've dropped that, I do law, politics, psychology and english literature. Does someone who has an okay-ish upbringing have a reason to rape? Compared to someone who has no aspirations in their lives?

Also, given that most people who had a tough childhood don't go on to commit sex crime (the very notion that they could be rapists based on this could be considered insulting) surely indicates that the problem lies more with the individual than society?

If you admit it lies more with the individual than society, you implicitly admit society plays a role. Salient societal values codetermine, alongside an individual's private choice, the propensity to execute certain acts. Inherent individualism is often repressed by the societal instillation of morality and collectivism; where societal morals and collectivism are not instilled due to the individual's unpropitious social circumstance, they are more likely to commit crime of all types than those raised in a propitious social environment where societally beneficent values are instilled.

Rape requires the suspension of empathy, consequence and collectivism; all of these values are less present in unpropitious social environments than propitious ones. The extent to which societal values override individual values, or vice-versa, varies by person, but societal values also vary by space and will influence an individual's moral values.

Of course I believe that the environment plays a role, just that this role is vastly overstated for various reasons. I think given that (some) behaviour is generally more nature than nurture in a society of limited resources, paying highly trained individuals to somehow, "cure" such people is quite simply a waste, especially given the high rates of reoffending when it comes to sexual criminals.

This man or may not have had values instilled in him, either way it clearly didn't help and I certainly take exception to the idea that society can be held responsible in any way for this man's actions.

Do you believe that if the government were to take resources from the wealthiest in society and use them to improve the standards of living in these areas that they would become better places to live in terms of crime?

I never suggested you should blame society, but that you should be aware that the presence and salience of particular values in an individual's environment have a major role on an individual's moral compass and that it codetermines, alongside private choice, the individual's propensity to execute certain acts. Where there is a dearth of beneficent moral values in the individual's environment, they are less likely to acquire beneficent moral values than those whose environment is replete with them.



I believe families failing to isolate their child(ren) from unpropitious influences and the salience of particular socio-cultural traits are the main problems. These values must be diffused or removed before fiscal input will be effective.

So surely the existence of community (or at least a community with an undesirable culture) is in fact the actual problem, rather than a lack of collectivisation?

It's as if you believe that bad behaviour can be viewed almost as a disease. Perhaps tower blocks/communities where people live in close contact with each other are part of the problem, I personally don't think that it's good for people too live really close to each other, but this is another issue.

**** this, they should show everyone his name with his photo next to it and let the little bastard get whats coming to him.

I don't care if he's underage.... He shouldn't be protected

Like as if shoving him in jail for 9 years is going to do anything.

Did a thread really need to be made for this?

There's nothing to discuss.

another black on white rape i see.