(Original post by prog2djent)
Let me start off from where I stand, I take the typical libertarian line in that "if something does not harm anybody else, then the state has no right in prohibiting something that might harm the user".
I would disagree with this statement. Taking drugs is a selfish act and although you are only physically harming your own body, the mental anxiety and stress you put on your family/friends is unfair. Why should they have to worry because you are, quite frankly, acting like a ****? Then again there is that argument that you can't control what another person does and if they so wish to take drugs then the only thing you can do is focus on your life and not worry about theirs.
And on a personal note, I have never tried a drug, tried a cigarette and do not drink (aside from a couple of Jager-bombs and whisky shots as tradition at party's XD.
I'm arguing with a friend about the legal status of ALL drugs. He takes the fairly typical, student line in that Cannabis should be legal
Just for the record, being a student, I don't think Cannibis should be legal. Although it doesn't as prominently show adverse effects, it is still detrimental.
Just takes longer for the effects to happen. (I also think over half the
population think this too)
I don't think it's quite that much
but harder drugs should not. I should also not that this friend is a fairly inconsistent stoner and enjoys smoking only occasionally.
But in my experience, most people who smoke and want Cannabis legal think harder drugs should be still illegal. These people frustrate me more than those who think all drugs currently illegal and should stay that way.
Here are some of his arguments I am quoting
"Usually, laws are there to stop us from harm. Making drugs like heroin illegal is an example of one of those laws. Making cannabis illegal isn't. Can't OD on cannabis."
You can OD on anything if you consume enough of it.
"Simple fact is that it's not a victimless crime. People have families who would be victims if someone in their family became addicted to heroin"
100% agree with this.
I have tried arguing back that I don't need the government to tell me, or any other person not to take hard drugs, I don't do it because Its mental, you can possibly do great harm by taking heroin, crack, meth etc
He argues that the law is there to stop harm, harm to who? The only person a drug like heroin directly harms is the user. So he says that families will be harmed.
I tried to go for the money shot and argue that people who want to buy heroin will buy it regardless of its legal status. If it were made legal people would not suddenly go out and buy heroin
History shows us criminalising victimless items makes the use go up, and the decriminalisation makes use go down (early 20th century America, Holland, Portugal .... these are fine examples IMHO).
He still wouldn't have it, he can't get around the fact that the legal status of heroin will not deter people from using it.
I think you're right. It's the same as making sex legal at 16. Doesn't stop thousands of underage pregnancies etc. Just as many people have sex before the "legal" age, and making it legal to have sex at any age wouldn't make more or less people do it.
I've tried explaining that having harder drugs illegal does more harm and good, and then there really are victims. Under decriminalisation, junkies would be treated with medicine, not with a prison cell.
The drug cartels LOBBY and fight for the continued criminalisation of illicit drugs and often bribe officials (think about 80's America and Noreaga, Olly North etc).
50K have died in Mexico and possibly hundreds of thousand more across south America because these drugs are illegal, the cartels flourish and black markets arise, quality and safety of the drugs fall, and lots of deaths occur as there is now regulatory framework within the market or consumer know-how.
Most doctors, economists and scientists in this field agree with me. But it still doesn't get through to him.
Am I wrong, or even completely nuts for thinking this??
If you have the time, this video sums up my sentiments more precisely