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*Updated Mk1* Project Opel Speedster, a fast car to beat an expensive junk.Okay, am quite intent on giving bursting someone's ego bubble... is one dumb yank who has more money than brains as well as an ego the size of Texas... well there is no love lost between us so am quite willing to burst his bubble rather badly.
The issue : He has this car on order, it's called a Hennessey Venom. Basically it is just a Lotus Elise with a GM 6.2L V8 engine twin-turbo good for 1200hp. 0-60mph is in the sub 3 second range. Top speed is in excess of 250mph and could hit 280mph in "correct" conditions. The downside to it is it actually doesn't handle all that well and is rather heavy for such a small car, close to 1400kg am told. Cost : He won't say but rumour has it that it is close to US$850,000
A few of us are challenging him to a race at Nürburgring with that junk of his. 3 laps in total.
We are guessing that this junk of his won't be able to use full boost the entire track Also we are somewhat sure that the GM 6.2L engine with that kind of boost won't finish 2 laps round the track before something on it breaks.
The problem : He is a multi-millionaire, I obviously am not... but having said that I think it is quite possible to beat that junk of his using 1/10th or less than what he has spent.
3 others are already using a Lotus Elise to try.
1 is using a Rover 3.5l V8, good for 1000hp, he won't say what else is going into it, but am guessing the amount spent will be in the hundreds of thousands for sure as that yank is his nemesis.
1 is using a Honda NSX engine and gearbox, am not sure how much this would produce, but I'll be surprised if it doesn't do 1000hp.
The final Elise is being done by a hot girl... she is using the engine from a Lotus Esprit 3.5l V8. She isn't telling what it could do.... but her daddy is rather loaded so
I haven't quite decided how to go about this yet, originally I thought of beating all 4 of them with a electric motor, but realized it's a near impossibility due to the battery weight and endurance.
Please share some ideas, nothing is set in stone yet.
The update :-
Base car found, it will be a 2002 Opel Speedster originally a 2.0T (Used a GM Astra engine) , though in reality I only have the chassis, GRP bodyshell, 2 dirty seats, pedals, 4 worn wheels, a gear lever and steering wheel, almost everything in it will need to be replaced chiefly the engine, gearbox, cooling, electrical systems.
Some ground rules :-
1) Car needs to be street legal.
2) It will be driven to Munich and then from Munich onwards to the the 'ring.
3) Should be reliable enough to make it to the 'ring and back.
4) Must be able to run on normal fuel as the stock fuel tank will be used and am guessing it will need quite a few fuel stops.
5) It must be something that after this shootout is over, the car can be sold...preferably for a big profit.
6) It can't use any engine or gearbox combination already used by someone else.
7) Total budget £30,000 which should also include a new paint-job which must have a Union Jack and German flag motive (symbolic for Britain+Germany beating USA since that prick is painting that crap junk of his in stars and stripes) and yes it will need a new interior as well.... only thing this budget doesn't need to cover is labour cost, wheels and tyres.
Keep the ideas flowing am still looking for suggestions as nothing other than the car shell and chassis has been confirmed and purchased.Last edited by Herr; 09-02-2012 at 07:44. -
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Re: Post ideas here please for a very fast project car.I wouldn't say Elises are the right car for the 'ring. The Elise is perfect around small, tight tracks, and the 'ring is most certainly not that. I'd go for something longer and wider, making it more planted on the long straights and sweeping curves meaning you can put more of that precious horse power down on the tarmac. Maybe something like a second hand 5 or 7 series Beamer, stripped to the core to save weight and spend a few grand on the engine, suspension, and drivetrain and you'll have yourself a speed machine. You could do it for under 20 grand easily.
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Re: Post ideas here please for a very fast project car.This idea has been mentioned a few times by several people.(Original post by Joinedup)
Caterham body + motorbike engine + supercharger
Well I think it's a lot less weird than thinking about an electric motor anyway.
Use a Caterham chassis or that of an Ariel Atom and merge 2 Hayabusa engines together into a very lightweight engine.
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Re: Post ideas here please for a very fast project car.Interesting, what kind of time does it deliver?(Original post by Hunglikeamuuule)
I have a Yamaha R1 engine in my Caterham...
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Re: Post ideas here please for a very fast project car.I would agree with the basic idea of a ceterham style body with a powerful motorbike engine in but for a bit more money there's a radical.
They do decent laptimes round there with the added downforce.
Evo drove one there from England and beat the production car record.
http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife.html -
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Re: Post ideas here please for a very fast project car.Well I've noticed the vfr1200 is very small and neat. No idea how practical it would be to make a v8 out of 2 of those...(Original post by Herr)
This idea has been mentioned a few times by several people.
Use a Caterham chassis or that of an Ariel Atom and merge 2 Hayabusa engines together into a very lightweight engine.
Any other suggestions for a good engine?
Other idea, the late model mazda turbo ****el... See if that survives the swear robot
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Re: Post ideas here please for a very fast project car.Well that's a load of bull**** right there.(Original post by Herr)
1 is using a Rover 3.5l V8, good for 1000hp, he won't say what else is going into it, but am guessing the amount spent will be in the hundreds of thousands for sure as that yank is his nemesis.
There isn't a Rover V8 in the world that makes 1000bhp for starters.
To get a Rover V8 past 500bhp is a really big ask - the main weakness being the headgaskets. A pal of mine runs a 500bhp 4.6 litre Rover V8 down the drag strip fitted with a supercharger and nitrous oxide and even then with cometic head gaskets it still suffers HGF periodically due to the rediculous amount cylinder pressure.
Not even the F1 version of the Rover V8 made anywhere near 1000 bhp.
Anyone claiming 1000bhp from a rover V8 is talking out of their arse. Plain and simple. Especially so if they reccon they are doing it with a 3.5.Last edited by JC.; 03-02-2012 at 22:10. -
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Re: Post ideas here please for a very fast project car.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hennessey_Venom_GT(Original post by JC.)
Well that's a load of bull**** right there.
There isn't a Rover V8 in the world that makes 1000bhp for starters.
To get a Rover V8 past 500bhp is a really big ask - the main weakness being the headgaskets. A pal of mine runs a 500bhp 4.6 litre Rover V8 down the drag strip fitted with a supercharger and nitrous oxide and even then with cometic head gaskets it still suffers HGF periodically due to the rediculous amount cylinder pressure.
Not even the F1 version of the Rover V8 made anywhere near 1000 bhp.
Anyone claiming 1000bhp from a rover V8 is talking out of their arse. Plain and simple. Especially so if they reccon they are doing it with a 3.5.
Op is wrong. It's based on the 6.2litre V8 such as in the corvettes. Standard edition is like 750hp then turbocharged up to 1000+
Also, it's just a stretched Exige with a giant engine in tbh.
Didn't think they had made many and according to the wiki they had made 4 by october last year... -
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Re: Post ideas here please for a very fast project car.(Original post by Kevmeister)
Nissan GTR.Both of these are off budget(Original post by Potential Trigger)
Audi shows the way as always. R8 GT!
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Re: Post ideas here please for a very fast project car.Interesting, seems like the Radical SR8 is essentially what some people are suggesting, 2 Hayabusa engines mated together.(Original post by MHorman)
I would agree with the basic idea of a ceterham style body with a powerful motorbike engine in but for a bit more money there's a radical.
They do decent laptimes round there with the added downforce.
Evo drove one there from England and beat the production car record.
http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife.html
In fact it seems I could buy a ready made one from here www.h1v8.com as they essentially do all the hardwork and its a direct fit into a Caterham, since it was their experimental car.
I wonder if that engine can still be turbo-charged for extra power. -
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Re: Post ideas here please for a very fast project car.I didn't actually install the engine, It was found in a barn and I knew the bloke so I had it off him. From 0-60 it can achieve around 2.5 seconds. The first time I drove it and gave it some I had to go back and pick up pieces of my face lol. Not sure on the BHP, never had it tested.(Original post by Herr)
Interesting, what kind of time does it deliver?
How long did that project take to do?
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