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    (Original post by NightBear)
    Keep this in mind girls: when you walk around with your boobies on show and your butt cheeks peeking out of a tiny skirt, it's not just the hot guy across the street who's interested - that pervy man over there is probably drooling too.

    Doesn't sound nice anymore, does it?
    Yes I think a lot of women have learned this the hard way. I don't think provocative clothing is a good idea as it causes the wrong kind of attention, for practically all women.

    I'm not moving in on the rape discussion again though. I have put members on ignore list who don't argument reasonably and/or are not being polite (not you NightBear).
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    (Original post by MyselfEtAl)
    This is why Muslim women wear the Hijab. It protects you, and liberates you (I.e. you're not objectified).

    Inb4 "but some of them are forced to wear it" and "the burka is bad because of crime" - i'm not talking about the burka, I'm talking about dressing modestly.
    I saw an article that disproved this myth.
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    I just can't believe they'd go out like that in this weather.
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    (Original post by Playa10)
    At no point did I say that, whether express or implied. My point is that they can mitigate the attention by wearing less revealing clothes. Rape is never justifiable!!
    obviously you didn't say this, it's just a common argument, your comment just made me think about the argument again.
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    (Original post by Infallible)
    I saw an article that disproved this myth.
    What myth?
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    (Original post by artery08)
    -Women who dress with provocative clothing are not helping themselves, and yes, they are partially responsible.

    -A girl with a mini skirt is inviting others for legal sexual advances, but some people just can't control themselves, and the girls should know that.
    No, the rapist is responsible for his actions.

    A mini skirt is not an invitation of any sort. You must be joking.
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    I think women do generally speaking dress more provocatively than a few decades ago, skirts and dresses were generally longer, women didn't tend to wear trousers as much; they'd wear a longer skirt, not spray-on jeans, they had higher necklines... etc

    I don't think there's anything wrong with wearing something bodycon. I don't think that has to mean it's pornographic. I often go out and wear mid-thigh bodycon dresses. I don't consider that slutty.

    I do personally think that if you wear something shorter than mid-thigh on a night out, it has a tendancy to look cheap. Likewise, if you have more than a swell of cleavage on show. But it really depends on how you wear it and unfortunately, breast size can cheapen something quite quickly, ie: a girl with smaller breasts can wear a plunge top and it can be high fashion very quickly, if a girl who has a bigger chest does, it tends to look cheaper.

    But I don't think you can equate skirt length to being provocative. A girl could wear jeans and be just as provocative. It really is all in how its worn. "Style" that you tend to see on reality tv shows are nothing like what most people wear, in fairness, it's just tacky and slutty.
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    From a clothing point of view, I always find that dressing in a flattering way is to dress for your figure, and that less on show can definitely be more. I agree with your point about the tackiness of all assets out at once but what really bothers me is when (for example) people maybe with bigger physiques dress in badly fitting body con dresses.
    Clothing is worn best when it flatters the individual's figure. I know I'm female but in my opinion, that looks a hell of a lot better a lot of the time than some horrible, ill-fitting elastic band.
    Still, I suppose it's up to them. I'm just speaking as someone who loves what they wore in the 50s (eg. Jane Russell, Elizabeth Taylor) so I'm a little biased right now.
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    (Original post by Jessticles)
    I think women do generally speaking dress more provocatively than a few decades ago, skirts and dresses were generally longer, women didn't tend to wear trousers as much; they'd wear a longer skirt, not spray-on jeans, they had higher necklines... etc

    I don't think there's anything wrong with wearing something bodycon. I don't think that has to mean it's pornographic. I often go out and wear mid-thigh bodycon dresses. I don't consider that slutty.

    I do personally think that if you wear something shorter than mid-thigh on a night out, it has a tendancy to look cheap. Likewise, if you have more than a swell of cleavage on show. But it really depends on how you wear it and unfortunately, breast size can cheapen something quite quickly, ie: a girl with smaller breasts can wear a plunge top and it can be high fashion very quickly, if a girl who has a bigger chest does, it tends to look cheaper.

    But I don't think you can equate skirt length to being provocative. A girl could wear jeans and be just as provocative. It really is all in how its worn. "Style" that you tend to see on reality tv shows are nothing like what most people wear, in fairness, it's just tacky and slutty.
    I agree with you, there are many things taken into account, it's not necessarily about cm. But the general rule is that you choose one thing to focus on. If there is cleavage, the dress should not be tight or short and vice versa. As you say, it also depends largely on body shape. There is a reason a lot of catwalk trends don't translate well to everyday life - if you have big breasts you need to be careful with low cut tops/dresses and if you have a big bum or heavy thighs, you need to be careful with short and/or tight skirts/dresses. A lot of girls tend to look like stuffed sausages. The trend of wearing stripper heels is also quite new - combined with a short or tight dress, it equals tart.

    In general, a young girl can pull of a lot more than one over 30. I'm 21, and even when I was 18 I wore more revealing clothes than now.
    Fabric and quality is also something that shows. A lot of girls wear dresses from shops like ASOS, most of which are acrylic or polyester, and it shows. Not only do they look cheap, they might burst into flames if they approach a candle. Younger girls typically use less money on clothes so you cannot expect it all to be silk, but it looks seriously bad on a 35 year old.
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    (Original post by Wilfred Little)
    There will always be people out there going to commit crimes given the chance.

    You are told from a young age don't talk to strangers (in case you are abducted), obviously this does not mean people who abduct children are acting 'naturally', what I'm saying is it's about educating people about taking necessary precautions to ensure rape doesn't happen.

    I have a sister, if she went on a night out dressed provocatively I would tell her how stupid she has been. You can't do that in this day and age with so many sick people about.

    Are you partly responsible if you are in a worn-down area at night and you get murdered? Well it depends if you went there on purpose, you could have just got lost, that is unavoidable, the point is, women know there are rapists out there. If you want to dress like a slag, you'll dress like a slag. Just don't be surprised if some pervert takes it upon himself to rape you.

    It's not enough to just say 'women shouldn't be responsible in part for it', THIS WILL NOT STOP PEOPLE GETTING RAPED!

    The goal should be to prevent rape, it's not about punishing rapists once it's happened, it's far too late then.
    Sorry but not dressing provocatively does not prevent rape from occurring. Rape has been happening since the dark ages, even when women had to cover their ankles and it happens in strict islamic countries where females wear burkas covering every inch of their bodies.
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    I actually think that part of the reason that people dress "too young" for their age, is because in their mind they're still young.
    I'm 28. I don't feel as though I'm bordering on thirty at all though. I mean, yes, in some ways I do because I'm married, I have kids, all that shizzle, but....when I was younger I thought thirty was relatively knocking on, bordering middle aged. Now though...I dunno, it's different when you get older. Your body gets older but your mind doesn't really.

    My dad (and my grandad when he was still alive) both very much act/ed younger than their ages, and they both say (used to say) that they didn't feel mentally old at all. That doesn't mean they act CHILDISHLY, that's not it, you can feel youthful without being immature.

    I can only imagine how frustrating it must be to get old, but to feel perfectly mentally active, and indeed quite youthful, but not to have a body that matches the way you feel inside. That's another story altogether though I suppose.

    So , that being said, if somebody feels young, and feels happy wearing clothes that others might deem too young for them, then why is that a problem? Should they conform to a more conservative type of dress, merely to appease other members of society? Or, at the end of the day, should they be true to themselves and wear what makes them happy?

    I dress alternatively when I go out. Am I too old to wear goth clothes? Some might say so, but *******s to them really. I've just started feeling reasonably happy with who I am, and fairly comfortable in my own skin (with my stomach being one exception but that is a surgery matter), so I'll wear what I like. Now I don't wear anything particularly provocative, I don't have skirts that are too short, nor am I spilling out of the top, but even so I suppose dressing goth when I go clubbing is a reasonably "young" thing to do, but so what?

    You only live once, and you should live to make yourself happy.
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    (Original post by No Future)
    No, the rapist is responsible for his actions.

    A mini skirt is not an invitation of any sort. You must be joking.
    A mini skirt by it's very objective is to show female beauty in the legs to get men excited, that's the whole purpose of a mini skirt, to show off some flesh.
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    (Original post by artery08)
    A mini skirt by it's very objective is to show female beauty in the legs to get men excited, that's the whole purpose of a mini skirt, to show off some flesh.
    Showing some leg =/= invitation to men
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    (Original post by TheSownRose)
    Yeah, that was just ridiculous - he had a good point.
    What? No he didn't!

    Noone gets raped because of what they are wearing.

    A normal man doesn't suddenly think "I wouldn't normally rape her but as she has cleavage out she clearly doesn't get a say in who she has sex with".

    What a ridiculous argument.
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    Anyone, and I mean anyone, who thinks a girl is partially to blame for wearing provocative clothing if she gets raped is just sick in the head to be honest.

    We aren't monkeys. People CAN control themselves.
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    (Original post by No Future)
    Showing some leg =/= invitation to men
    It's an invitation to men to look and then try and get some if they can. That's a fact, whether you like it or not.
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    (Original post by artery08)
    It's an invitation to men to look and then try and get some if they can. That's a fact, whether you like it or not.
    Yes if a woman grants him her permission to do so, not if he feels like forcing himself on her like some kind of rabid dog!
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    I'm sorry but I should be able to walk down the street in a bikini and heels if I wanted, without some guy raping me!! It's not what you wear, if someone is going to rape then they're going to do it whether you're wearing a bikini or a full on burka!

    Don't blame the women just because some guys are ****ed up!
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    (Original post by Wilfred Little)
    If you leave your front door open all day then come home from work to find you've been burgled, is the burglar 100% responsible? No. 100% guilty, but not 100% responsible.

    If you go out provocatively dressed, drinking, and end up getting raped, then, like leaving your door open, you must accept some responsibility for what happened.

    We live amongst ****ed up people, people need to take responsibility for their own actions and acknowledge the consequences of giving someone the opportunity to commit a crime. Saying the rapist is completely responsible is too late once somebody has been raped!
    If you were sleeping and there was a hammer next to your head, and I killed you with it, I'm guessing I wouldn't be "100% responsible" for my own actions then.
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    (Original post by alexsasg)
    If you were sleeping and there was a hammer next to your head, and I killed you with it, I'm guessing I wouldn't be "100% responsible" for my own actions then.
    What does that have to do with anything? That makes no sense whatsoever.

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