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Free Expression Day of Action 11th Feb 2-4pm London: Your Chance to take a Stand

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    If you can spare a couple of hours on Saturday, PLEASE try and come to this rally against the growing and alarming threat of extreme right wing fascism, threats and attacks on free speech, homophobia and subjugation of women in the UK.

    It's being organised by the One Law for All campaign. Incidentally, although you'll recognise some of the speakers as atheist, this isn't about "atheism vs religion". This is about human rights and free expression vs violent fundamentalist rhetoric that belongs in the dark ages. Everyone and anyone peaceful and non-violent will be welcome.
    Here's the reason behind the rally:
    http://www.onelawforall.org.uk/11-fe...-take-a-stand/

    The Day of Action has already been endorsed by nearly 100 groups and individuals including Richard Dawkins, Southall Black Sisters,Women Against Fundamentalism UK, Equal Rights Now, Jessica Ahlquist, Taslima Nasrin, National Federation of Atheist, Humanist and Secular Student Societies, National Secular Society, Salman Rushdie, and Peter Tatchell.

    Speakers are: A C Grayling (Philosopher); Anne Marie Waters (One Law for All); Caroline Cox (Peer); Maryam Namazie (One Law for All and Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain); Nick Cohen (Writer); Nick Doody (Comedian); Derek Lennard (Gay and Lesbian Humanist Association); Faisal Gazi (Spittoon.org); Rupert Sutton (Student Rights); Sohaila Sharifi (Equal Rights Now); Alex Gabriel (Blogger); Gita Sahgal, (Centre for Secular Space); Hasan Afzal (Stand for Peace); Jennifer Hardy (Queen Mary Atheism Humanism and Secularism Society); Jenny Bartle (National Federation of Atheist, Humanist and Secular Student Societies); Jim Fitzpatrick (MP); Kate Smurthwaite (Comedian); Kenan Malik (Writer); Lilith (Poet, Anti-Injustice Movement) ; Marco Tranchino (Central London Humanist Group); Mark Embleton (Atheism UK); Pragna Patel (Southall Black Sisters); Rashid Ali (Centri); Rhys Morgan (Student activist); Roy Brown (International Humanist and Ethical Union); Sue Cox (Survivors Voice Europe); Sundas Hoorain (London School of Economics Atheist, Secularist, and Humanist Society); Susan Zhuang (University College London Atheist, Secularist and Humanist Society); Terry Sanderson/Keith Porteous Wood (National Secular Society); and Yasmin Rehman (Campaigner).

    In addition to the London rally, there will be actions and acts of solidarity in other cities, including Australia, France, Gambia, Germany, Poland and South Africa. To see the list or to add your own action or event, click here.

    Clearly, the time has come to take a firm and uncompromising stand for free expression and against all forms of bogus accusations, threats and censorship.

    The right to criticise religion is a fundamental right that is crucial to many, including Muslims.

    11 February is our chance to take that stand.

    You need to be there.

    Enough is enough
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    Sounds fantasitc, even though the group is aimed at right wing facism. Does thing include the national front, EDL(ish) and BNP along with Islamic fundamentalists?
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    Oh god, imagine the UAF turning up claiming free thought was 'fascist'.
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    (Original post by prog2djent)
    Sounds fantasitc, even though the group is aimed at right wing facism. Does thing include the national front, EDL(ish) and BNP along with Islamic fundamentalists?
    I think this particular rally is aimed more at standing up for the right to speak out freely against those who attack values of free speech. However, the organisation behind the rally has this to say about the EDL etc:

    http://www.onelawforall.org.uk/new-r...the-far-right/

    But Saturday isn't about the EDL or BNP or UAF* or any one ideology. It's about defending the right to think, speak, write and carry on lives unhindered by fear of attack, assault, or false accusations of racism.

    *Although being the UAF, I suspect a few will drag their unemployable Neanderthal knuckles along looking for a punch-up.

    EDIT: Just seen the other post:

    (Original post by Snagprophet)
    Oh god, imagine the UAF turning up claiming free thought was 'fascist'.
    Who knows what they'll claim - if it whips up fear, division and provides the opportunity for some mindless violence, the UAF will say it.
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    But will Muhammad be drawn?
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    (Original post by prog2djent)
    Sounds fantasitc, even though the group is aimed at right wing facism. Does thing include the national front, EDL(ish) and BNP along with Islamic fundamentalists?
    I would imagine so. A lot of the speakers are heavily involved in fighting Islamic fundamentalism and a number of the incidents spoken about have been directly linked to Islamic fundamentalism such as the threats of violence which caused a speech on sharia law and human rights to be canceled at the university of London after a man filmed the crowd and threatened to kill anyone who insulted "the prophet".

    It seems to be aimed at a wider problem rather than just one or two groups of people which is pretty good as the threat to freedom of speech and expression is a wider issue and needs to be addressed as a whole.
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    (Original post by digitaltoast)
    I think this particular rally is aimed more at standing up for the right to speak out freely against those who attack values of free speech. However, the organisation behind the rally has this to say about the EDL etc:

    http://www.onelawforall.org.uk/new-r...the-far-right/

    But Saturday isn't about the EDL or BNP or UAF* or any one ideology. It's about defending the right to think, speak, write and carry on lives unhindered by fear of attack, assault, or false accusations of racism.

    *Although being the UAF, I suspect a few will drag their unemployable Neanderthal knuckles along looking for a punch-up.

    EDIT: Just seen the other post:



    Who knows what they'll claim - if it whips up fear, division and provides the opportunity for some mindless violence, the UAF will say it.
    Funnily enough I know two UAF members who spat at me and called me a "dirty zionist jew" for saying the UAF are anti-free speach and want to limit what people can say.

    So I personally do not like the UAF as a whole, they need to iron out the clear influence of anti-semitism that is coming from a lot of members that seem to have adopted "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" rhetoric, the far-left have alligned themslelves with the authoritarian islamists now. I think they are in a state of denial, I once pointed out to one "you know as much as you are for equality of gays you seem to be quite pally with people who would love to round them up and confine them, they are using you", which, of course, was met with a tirade of abuse about how in the socialist revolution everyone but those who believe in what they believe would be the first to be sectioned, conditioned or killed HAHA.
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    (Original post by digitaltoast)
    If you can spare a couple of hours on Saturday, PLEASE try and come to this rally against the growing and alarming threat of extreme right wing fascism, threats and attacks on free speech, homophobia and subjugation of women in the UK.

    It's being organised by the One Law for All campaign. Incidentally, although you'll recognise some of the speakers as atheist, this isn't about "atheism vs religion". This is about human rights and free expression vs violent fundamentalist rhetoric that belongs in the dark ages. Everyone and anyone peaceful and non-violent will be welcome.
    Here's the reason behind the rally:
    http://www.onelawforall.org.uk/11-fe...-take-a-stand/
    I don't get it. Your cause of free speech is noble but you say "come to this rally against the growing and alarming threat of extreme right wing fascism"


    The word right wing "fascist" is used against people like me who have common sense by mad brainwashed people. This is because I object to governments that deceive the people making mass scale immigrations while pretending otherwise to "rub the nose of the people in multiculturalism", and being told we are a multicultural society without the consent of the people. A society where is you say you object to cultural Marxism or the doctrine of multiculturalism people feel a need to automatically and almost as a programmed response challenge you, a society there you can be brought before the courts for saying you would rather hire a British person than a foreign person who lives in a foreign country, a society where sinister forces of fascism want to change the names of schools, tell the police off if they stop and search black people and take down flags, in case they are too British. A society where you can back everything up with fact like the one trillion pounds of debt and 120 billion of government overspending helped along by the “immigration welfare industrial complex” where we import people who go on benefits or who take jobs that locals want to do or prefer to stay on benefits and we pay then up to 26k (35k before tax in the bracket of the top 20% of wage earners), and people are so brainwashed that even when you present them with facts they still revert to the brainwashing that New Labour has been broadcasting out of their TV for 13 years as they are like drones who have lost the ability to think for themselves.


    According to you, the propagator of free speech, if I object to these things, I should be rallied against and therefore you support the denial of free speech to me, just because I am 5 to 10 years ahead of where the majority are i.e. the majority will hold my views in 5 to 10 years as as historically been the case.
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    It sounds like a gentrified Islamic bashing fest to me

    How come it's ok when posh people do it, but when skumbags like myself do it we're branded 'racist' and 'Islamophobic'?

    Joking aside it's a v.important issue and I fully support the concept of free speech, New Labour totally warped people's attitude in relation to this basic freedom while in power by passing draconian laws and promoting the idea of "hate speech", a nightmarish Orwellian policy if ever there was one. We should all be free to attack ideas and not tiptoe around the sensibilities of certain minorities incase they overreact and resort to violence. That illiberal attitude has no place in our society.
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    (Original post by nicknick1)
    I don't get it. Your cause of free speech is noble but you say "come to this rally against the growing and alarming threat of extreme right wing fascism"

    How can you be for free speech and automatically label me a fascist because I object to governments that deceive the people making mass scale immigrations while pretending otherwise to "rub the nose of the people in multiculturalism", and being told we are a multicultural society without the consent of the people. [...snip...]

    According to you, the propagator of free speech, if I object to these things, I should be rallied against and therefore you support the denial of free speech to me, just because I am 5 to 10 years ahead of where the majority are i.e. the majority will hold my views in 5 to 10 years as as historically been the case.
    I don't disagree with a single word you said. I think you massively misunderstood the point of the rally; this is specifically talking about extreme right wing Islamic fascism. No-one with half a brain would accuse anyone questioning immigration or multicultural policy as being "fascist", and I thought that when I spoke of "threats and attacks on free speech, homophobia and subjugation of women in the UK" that it would be obvious what I was referring to.

    I'm sure the day the EDL or BNP started blowing up planes, trains and automobiles, beating women for not wearing a veil, doing mob-attacks on gay people, openly issuing death threats to university students for holding a debate, firebombing the offices of London publishers for writing books or killing people for drawing a cartoon, then the focus will shift. But right now, the threat lies with Islamic fundamentalist fascism, an ideology which makes the NF look like the Women's Institute in comparison!
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    (Original post by digitaltoast)
    I don't disagree with a single word you said. I think you massively misunderstood the point of the rally; this is specifically talking about extreme right wing Islamic fascism. No-one with half a brain would accuse anyone questioning immigration or multicultural policy as being "fascist", and I thought that when I spoke of "threats and attacks on free speech, homophobia and subjugation of women in the UK" that it would be obvious what I was referring to.

    I'm sure the day the EDL or BNP started blowing up planes, trains and automobiles, beating women for not wearing a veil, doing mob-attacks on gay people, openly issuing death threats to university students for holding a debate, firebombing the offices of London publishers for writing books or killing people for drawing a cartoon, then the focus will shift. But right now, the threat lies with Islamic fundamentalist fascism, an ideology which makes the NF look like the Women's Institute in comparison!
    Oh I see! I misunderstood the context! I will be there (girlfriend permitting!)
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    (Original post by chefdave)
    Joking aside it's a v.important issue and I fully support the concept of free speech, New Labour totally warped people's attitude in relation to this basic freedom while in power by passing draconian laws and promoting the idea of "hate speech", a nightmarish Orwellian policy if ever there was one. We should all be free to attack ideas and not tiptoe around the sensibilities of certain minorities incase they overreact and resort to violence. That illiberal attitude has no place in our society.
    Exactly! No manufactured faux-outrage on behalf of whichever imaginary sky-pixie someone chooses to be deluded by trumps the human rights of others in a democracy to exist peacefully and have free thought and expression.

    Unfortunately, you're NOT free to speak out against an ideology which is extremely right-wing but, bizarrely, finds an ally in a large part of "the left". There should be no tolerance of intolerance - that's what this rally is about.
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    (Original post by digitaltoast)
    Exactly! No manufactured faux-outrage on behalf of whichever imaginary sky-pixie someone chooses to be deluded by trumps the human rights of others in a democracy to exist peacefully and have free thought and expression.

    Unfortunately, you're NOT free to speak out against an ideology which is extremely right-wing but, bizarrely, finds an ally in a large part of "the left". There should be no tolerance of intolerance - that's what this rally is about.
    Unfortunately I can't be there as I'm in Cornwall at the minute, but I hope it's productive and that you get through to those on the left that automatically defend religious ideologues due to a misplaced sense of social justice. A religion with 1.5 billion believers isn't weak and in need of molly coddling, the Islamic brotherhood is a significant global force.
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    (Original post by chefdave)
    Unfortunately I can't be there as I'm in Cornwall at the minute, but I hope it's productive and that you get through to those on the left that automatically defend religious ideologues due to a misplaced sense of social justice. A religion with 1.5 billion believers isn't weak and in need of molly coddling, the Islamic brotherhood is a significant global force.
    We attended this event and it was very interesting to hear the speakers. Most of the speeches were about the lack of rights to speak against Islam and went into some of the specifics of Islam, and some quite horrific things in the East.

    Before the speeches started, I spoke to a number of the people about my views about:

    The word right wing “fascist” is used against people like me who have common sense by mad brainwashed people to deny me free speech. This is because I object to governments that deceive the people making mass scale immigrations while pretending otherwise to “rub the nose of the people in multiculturalism”, and being told we are a multicultural society without the consent of the people. A society where is you say you object to cultural Marxism or the doctrine of multiculturalism people feel a need to automatically and almost as a programmed response challenge you, a society there you can be brought before the courts for saying you would rather hire a British person than a foreign person who lives in a foreign country, a society where sinister forces of fascism want to change the names of schools, tell the police off if they stop and search black people and take down flags, in case they are too British. A society where you can back everything up with fact like the one trillion pounds of debt and 120 billion of government overspending helped along by the “immigration welfare industrial complex” where we import people who go on benefits or who take jobs that locals want to do or prefer to stay on benefits and we pay then up to 26k (35k before tax in the bracket of the top 20% of wage earners), and people are so brainwashed that even when you present them with facts they still revert to the brainwashing that New Labour has been broadcasting out of their TV for 13 years as they are like drones who have lost the ability to think for themselves.


    All of the people I spoke to were agreed that a doctrine has prevented open and fair discussion on these issues, except for one guy who was wearing a home made T-shirt that read "Makin' Mischief is freedom of speech" and he said there should be "free borders" but no "multiculturalism", and maintained that this was the only "thinking man's" perspective, sadly I was unable to get it.
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    Thanks for that, NickNick. I SO wanted to go, but couldn't.

    Listening to the audio of the speeches now:
    http://poddelusion.co.uk/blog/2012/0...february-2012/

    Very good point by Nick Cohen at about 20 mins in:

    "In London we have a mayoral candidate of Ken Livingstone, a man who has taken the money of Iranian dictatorship's propogandists.
    A man who has thrown his arms around every variety of bigot and theocrat.
    But liberal journalists will not ask this hypocrite how he can pose as a left wing candidate while cutting deals with the religious far-right."

    Sounds like the standard of speakers was excellent. Very disappointing that there were only a few hundred there, though. There should have been THOUSANDS. Free speech is such an important issue.
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    Most people are either too uninformed, brainwashed, too busy with other things or too wrapped up in either theoretical or superficial politics to know or care about what has happened to freedom of speech in legal terms or in terms of binding taboos.
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    (Original post by digitaltoast)
    If you can spare a couple of hours on Saturday, PLEASE try and come to this rally against the growing and alarming threat of extreme right wing fascism, threats and attacks on free speech, homophobia and subjugation of women in the UK.

    This is about human rights and free expression vs violent fundamentalist rhetoric that belongs in the dark ages. Everyone and anyone peaceful and non-violent will be welcome.
    How hypocrytical a title. So free expression is only okay for left wings such as yourself, but not for right wing people? I really see the equality and human rights in that :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Kiss)
    How hypocrytical a title. So free expression is only okay for left wings such as yourself, but not for right wing people? I really see the equality and human rights in that :rolleyes:
    "Went you go so far right wing and authoritarian, therefore fascist, you actually end up on the far left" can't remember who said that. But this is against right wing fascism, and fascism lands on the right exclusively. I am far right myself (libertarian though) but I aint complaining. Its like how communists are authoritarian lefties yet you don't see a green party person (libertarian left) complain about how communists are called left wing.
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    (Original post by prog2djent)
    "Went you go so far right wing and authoritarian, therefore fascist, you actually end up on the far left" can't remember who said that. But this is against right wing fascism, and fascism lands on the right exclusively. I am far right mysels (libertarian though) but I aint complaining. Its like how communists are authoritarian lefties yet you don't see a green party person libertarian left) complain about how communists are called left wing.
    This left wing right wing thing has got a bit out of hand. No one knows what it means anymore and where they stand. I believe in common sense politics.
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    (Original post by Kiss)
    How hypocrytical a title. So free expression is only okay for left wings such as yourself, but not for right wing people? I really see the equality and human rights in that :rolleyes:
    Me?!? Left wing?!? HA!

    No, I wasn't talking about left / right as in Labour / Tory politics. Politically I really don't care if you're left or right as long as you live, let live and keep it civil.

    But if you'd read the original posting properly you'd have understood that, but read this post further up the thread for clarification of what this was about: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...0#post36305090

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