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    If anyone has a problem with the EDL, the things they do, they way they do it, or even just the fact that some shops are closed on the days of the protests, then you can thank the liberal governments we've had over the past 50 years.

    If the government since the 1950's hadn't allowed mass immigration groups like the EDL/NWI wouldn't exist. groups like the EDL are something specific to multi-cultural nations, it's part of the multi-cultural package. People have got to understand that you can't have this nice fluffy utopia and not have the popular backlash.

    So if anyone has a problem with any anti multi-cultural organisations, you can blame the progressive/liveral governments from the apst 50 years.
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    Liberals have a lot to answer for. I use the term 'liberal' as a slur precisely because of things like this.
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    Sane people dont give a **** about the EDL tbh. They're just a bunch of nutters who get wasted every friday night and end up in the local A&E, totally pissed out their faces.
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    aside from the ignorant mouthbreathers who support the racist agenda , the only other people i've met that have ANY postive regard for the EDL are level 1 and 2 PSU trained Police officers and it's not for ideological reasons they have the same positive regard for UAF, and the 'occupy' crusties

    ... Arthur might have paid for coppers' holidays and conservatories in the 1980s, the mouth breathing idots of all political colours are paying for them in the 2010s ... roll on Public Order overtime ...
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    (Original post by Otkem)
    Liberals have a lot to answer for. I use the term 'liberal' as a slur precisely because of things like this.
    you use it as a slur because mouth breathers like Santorum use it as a slur.
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    (Original post by Thatcuber)
    If anyone has a problem with the EDL, the things they do, they way they do it, or even just the fact that some shops are closed on the days of the protests, then you can thank the liberal governments we've had over the past 50 years.

    If the government since the 1950's hadn't allowed mass immigration groups like the EDL/NWI wouldn't exist. groups like the EDL are something specific to multi-cultural nations, it's part of the multi-cultural package. People have got to understand that you can't have this nice fluffy utopia and not have the popular backlash.

    So if anyone has a problem with any anti multi-cultural organisations, you can blame the progressive/liveral governments from the apst 50 years.
    Except the EDL leadership have stated in interviews that they have no problem with other races or peoples coming into the UK- they have a problem with Islam or at least, 'radical' Islam.

    Now bear in mind the EDL formed after the whole Luton army march thing, which was of course a direct product of the state choosing to go to War in Iraq and Afghanistan- a group decided to protest against the soldiers and the state as an extension of this- something the EDL opposed because, rightly, soldiers shouldn't be shouted down for basically doing their jobs- or, if they should- then so should basically every public sector worker. The EDL was designed to effectively counter Muslim demonstrations against the British Army- which has little to do with liberalism, or liberal political economy- rather, it has more to do with politics. This is especially prevalent considering the EDL's inherent hatred of the left- who are usually anti-state, anti- military industrial complex and certainly anti-liberal (in a political sense).

    Secondly, the term 'multiculturalism' is a ridiculous phrase, that has been abused by politicans who are apparently proponents of it, and the media who use it to dehumanise particular groups at the extent of others. Cultures are not defined by race- they tend to be more defined by class. So in that respect, the existence of different cultures inherently exists in any major town or city in the world- even if the majority of people are from the same ethnic background. You only have to look in particular areas of Russia (Moscow/ St Petersburg) or even Japan to see that different cultures exist in the same geographical location despite little to no immigration. The result is that multiculturalism in its purest sense must exist in a society that promotes free markets (which is thus related to Capitalism as a political model- something the EDL has little problem with).

    The truth is that the EDL has no idea what it actually stands for. It itself is a group that is heavily divided in potholes of racists, classists, people who are genuinely against radical islam and people who just want to have a laugh on saturdays. As a result, it is basically like any other social movement that loses its organic base- it eventually depletes into nothing while trying to justify its existence.

    tl;dr- the EDL does not exist as a symptom of liberalism or liberal political economy.
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    (Original post by zippyRN)
    aside from the ignorant mouthbreathers who support the racist agenda , the only other people i've met that have ANY postive regard for the EDL are level 1 and 2 PSU trained Police officers and it's not for ideological reasons they have the same positive regard for UAF, and the 'occupy' crusties

    ... Arthur might have paid for coppers' holidays and conservatories in the 1980s, the mouth breathing idots of all political colours are paying for them in the 2010s ... roll on Public Order overtime ...
    This.

    The only problem now is that police forces don't appear to have as much cash to throw at officers for overtime
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    The EDL were a reaction due to Abu Hamza and various other Imam's who had been preaching hate were not deported, and the thing in Luton where people were protesting and ready to attack soldiers, whilst the police let them, and opposition to the opposition was denied access. They are a reactionary group, unlike the BNP.

    They've kinda diverged into politics now. The original group was not against races or immigration, they were against 'islamo-fascism' or the positive discrimination via the state towards muslims. They have been crashed now, they have lost their legitimacy (I remember when the Media [I]didn't[/I paint them in a negative light) since a lot of old National Front, BNP, Section 18, Skinhead Nazi's and drunken hooligans joined in, or the EDL has links with them. The EDL raise one legitmate point, or the old EDL did, about the double standards towards Muslims in realtion to Brits. Its turned sour now, internally. I remember a guardian article in which you got the impression they, of all papers, were indifferent to the issues, but since the nutters have crashed it, the media has done everything it can to make them look like a fascist group (some of them are) and they shouldn't be listened to, should be censored, sectioned and destroyed. Since the far-left's apologists, the appeasers from the mainstream and the authoritarian Islamists are so paranoid about criticism, however, they were done from day 1 Tbf.

    I don't like the way you are using 'liberal' either, the Americans, or more specifically Fox news main outlets (I say main because Fox business is brilliant) came up with that. I use liberal in the traditional sense. 'Progressive' is a far better word imo.
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    The EDL have the same impact as being hit in the face with a marshmallow; I'd struggle to care less about them.
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    (Original post by Cannotbelieveit)
    Lets face it, they're just a bunch of racist, right wing extremists. Doesn't matter what they say.
    No they're not. The rank and file aren't smart enough to differentiate between 'left' and 'right'; they're just going with their gut instinct. And their instincts are telling them that suicide bombers from alien cultures that we're unfamiliar with and misunderstand aren't good for this country's long term interests.

    You don't have to be Aristotle to realise they're onto something.
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    The big problem with liberals is they are a bunch of upper-class/middle class tits pretending to be working class and pretending to have working class problems from the comfort of their countryside village who then, automatically dismiss any working class man who criticises immigration as a "fascist" and a "Nazi" and refuses to see a different between a true Nazi (like the nutters who support C18) and people merely opposed to mass-immigration.

    It doesn't only extend to immigration. See the Dale Farm evictions, the travellers had a lot of support from middle-class twits who came down to support "the oppressed minority" and boost their own sense of self-worth without considering at all the thoughts and feelings of the locals who have had to put up with an illegal travellers site for over ten years and the crime and problems that it would bring. They only see one side of the argument because of their sheep mentality and lack the mental apptitude to see the bigger picture.

    There's also a problem with liberals flat out refusing to report on anti-white racism. They're quick to cry out if any minority is on the recieving end of an attack, prejudice or violence yet make every excuse under the sun when a white Englishman/woman is the victim. Take the recent Leicester attack where Liberal groups were defending the four Somali women by saying it wasn't racist and that the lady who was attacked husband used 'unneccesary force' in protecting her.

    If, they were less biased and actually opposed all types of racism rather than just racism by whites then honestly, groups like the EDL would not have grown as large as they did.

    Personally, I am not opposed to immigration but it should be skilled workers only. No problem at all with having Indian lawyers, doctors, accountants etc coming to the country and improving it. What I do have a problem is giving a passport to any unqualified person with very few skills or qualifications when we have plenty of people who can do the grunt work anyway. Do we really need to allow a bunch of warehouse labourers and factory workers into the country when there's plenty of unemployed already who can do the job?

    Yet, anybody who has an argument against mass-immigration is immediately shouted down by the left and the liberals as a "racist" and a "Nazi" who flat out refuse to listen to opposing arguments.

    Another thing, the liberals and supposed "Anti-fascist" groups seem to verge onto fascist territory themselves at times. We live in a democracy, a place where freedom of speech exists and where people should not be targetted because of their race, cultural or political beliefs and yet, those on the left are constantly involved in attacks on supporters of right-wing groups.

    Nick Griffin has been attacked and had a dart thrown at him. BNP members have been forced out of their jobs by "liberals" and anti-racist groups. Now, regardless of whether you agree with their policies and ideas, is it right that men should be attacked and forced out of work because of their beliefs?

    Isn't attacks on political opponents and denying them the right to freedom of speech a traditionally fascist method? I don't support the BNP at all (I vote Conservative) but I do believe that Nick Griffin should be allowed to be a politician and give speeches without fear of reprisal. Likewise, I believe Anjem Choudary and his group should also be allowed to say what they want without fear of reprisal.
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    (Original post by Thatcuber)
    If anyone has a problem with the EDL, the things they do, they way they do it, or even just the fact that some shops are closed on the days of the protests, then you can thank the liberal governments we've had over the past 50 years.

    If the government since the 1950's hadn't allowed mass immigration groups like the EDL/NWI wouldn't exist. groups like the EDL are something specific to multi-cultural nations, it's part of the multi-cultural package. People have got to understand that you can't have this nice fluffy utopia and not have the popular backlash.

    So if anyone has a problem with any anti multi-cultural organisations, you can blame the progressive/liveral governments from the apst 50 years.
    So? The EDL are useless...they're not exactly Hitler's private army.
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    (Original post by Cannotbelieveit)
    Lets face it, they're just a bunch of racist, right wing extremists. Doesn't matter what they say.
    So because of that, which is true, any point they raise must be ignored and sectioned from society.

    That is quite a good example of fascism, ironically. Are you a member of the UAF?

    The original EDL weren't racist and weren't opposed by the mainstream of even the left (guardian were indifferent) they were opposed to Special interests and positive discrimination via extreme muslims.

    Then the Nazi's f***** it all up and destroyed their legitimacy in the lefts eyes, so now they can't be take seriously.

    Urgh.

    I personally hate Noam Chomsky and think his ideas would be very dangerous and lead to lots of unrest but I listen to, appreciate and respect them. And other point he raises are spot on and I incorporate them into some of my views.

    The far-left can never do that, nor the authoritarian right (I'm avoiding far-right because the EDL are not far-right by true, economic definition)
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    Whats an EDL haha?
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    (Original post by prog2djent)
    So because of that, which is true, any point they raise must be ignored and sectioned from society.

    That is quite a good example of fascism, ironically. Are you a member of the UAF?

    The original EDL weren't racist and weren't opposed by the mainstream of even the left (guardian were indifferent) they were opposed to Special interests and positive discrimination via extreme muslims.
    I'm not a member of the UAF, no. Check my sig for political views/membership. Racism and violence obviously has no place in modern society, which is why the EDL should be ignored. If they drop these policies, then of course they should be listened to.

    While I do believe that Islam should be contained in an effort to protect British national identity. I do not believe in the violent, racist ways the EDL go about it. I think it should be done in peaceful ways, such as stricter immigration/culture laws.
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    (Original post by Zeffy)
    The big problem with liberals is they are a bunch of upper-class/middle class tits pretending to be working class and pretending to have working class problems from the comfort of their countryside village who then, automatically dismiss any working class man who criticises immigration as a "fascist" and a "Nazi" and refuses to see a different between a true Nazi (like the nutters who support C18) and people merely opposed to mass-immigration.

    It doesn't only extend to immigration. See the Dale Farm evictions, the travellers had a lot of support from middle-class twits who came down to support "the oppressed minority" and boost their own sense of self-worth without considering at all the thoughts and feelings of the locals who have had to put up with an illegal travellers site for over ten years and the crime and problems that it would bring. They only see one side of the argument because of their sheep mentality and lack the mental apptitude to see the bigger picture.

    There's also a problem with liberals flat out refusing to report on anti-white racism. They're quick to cry out if any minority is on the recieving end of an attack, prejudice or violence yet make every excuse under the sun when a white Englishman/woman is the victim. Take the recent Leicester attack where Liberal groups were defending the four Somali women by saying it wasn't racist and that the lady who was attacked husband used 'unneccesary force' in protecting her.

    If, they were less biased and actually opposed all types of racism rather than just racism by whites then honestly, groups like the EDL would not have grown as large as they did.

    Personally, I am not opposed to immigration but it should be skilled workers only. No problem at all with having Indian lawyers, doctors, accountants etc coming to the country and improving it. What I do have a problem is giving a passport to any unqualified person with very few skills or qualifications when we have plenty of people who can do the grunt work anyway. Do we really need to allow a bunch of warehouse labourers and factory workers into the country when there's plenty of unemployed already who can do the job?

    Yet, anybody who has an argument against mass-immigration is immediately shouted down by the left and the liberals as a "racist" and a "Nazi" who flat out refuse to listen to opposing arguments.

    Another thing, the liberals and supposed "Anti-fascist" groups seem to verge onto fascist territory themselves at times. We live in a democracy, a place where freedom of speech exists and where people should not be targetted because of their race, cultural or political beliefs and yet, those on the left are constantly involved in attacks on supporters of right-wing groups.

    Nick Griffin has been attacked and had a dart thrown at him. BNP members have been forced out of their jobs by "liberals" and anti-racist groups. Now, regardless of whether you agree with their policies and ideas, is it right that men should be attacked and forced out of work because of their beliefs?

    Isn't attacks on political opponents and denying them the right to freedom of speech a traditionally fascist method? I don't support the BNP at all (I vote Conservative) but I do believe that Nick Griffin should be allowed to be a politician and give speeches without fear of reprisal. Likewise, I believe Anjem Choudary and his group should also be allowed to say what they want without fear of reprisal.

    Excellent post sir, I'd plus rep you if I could
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    zeffy and chefdave demonstrate that they do not know the difference between a liberal and a champagne socialist in politics , and default the horrible americanism of calling anyone who doesn't share the fairly hard right wing view of the US republican party and it's analogues as 'liberal'
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    (Original post by zippyRN)
    zeffy and chefdave demonstrate that they do not know the difference between a liberal and a champagne socialist in politics , and default the horrible americanism of calling anyone who doesn't share the fairly hard right wing view of the US republican party and it's analogues as 'liberal'
    Rubbish, somebody that argued against British Imperialism and fought for colonial independence = a left wing hero, when British people stand up for exactly the same values in their own country they're written off by the left as "right-wing hardliners."

    It's you that's getting your labels all mixed up and applying double standards, not us.
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    (Original post by Zeffy)
    The big problem with liberals is they are a bunch of upper-class/middle class tits pretending to be working class and pretending to have working class problems from the comfort of their countryside village who then, automatically dismiss any working class man who criticises immigration as a "fascist" and a "Nazi" and refuses to see a different between a true Nazi (like the nutters who support C18) and people merely opposed to mass-immigration.

    It doesn't only extend to immigration. See the Dale Farm evictions, the travellers had a lot of support from middle-class twits who came down to support "the oppressed minority" and boost their own sense of self-worth without considering at all the thoughts and feelings of the locals who have had to put up with an illegal travellers site for over ten years and the crime and problems that it would bring. They only see one side of the argument because of their sheep mentality and lack the mental apptitude to see the bigger picture.

    There's also a problem with liberals flat out refusing to report on anti-white racism. They're quick to cry out if any minority is on the recieving end of an attack, prejudice or violence yet make every excuse under the sun when a white Englishman/woman is the victim. Take the recent Leicester attack where Liberal groups were defending the four Somali women by saying it wasn't racist and that the lady who was attacked husband used 'unneccesary force' in protecting her.

    If, they were less biased and actually opposed all types of racism rather than just racism by whites then honestly, groups like the EDL would not have grown as large as they did.

    Personally, I am not opposed to immigration but it should be skilled workers only. No problem at all with having Indian lawyers, doctors, accountants etc coming to the country and improving it. What I do have a problem is giving a passport to any unqualified person with very few skills or qualifications when we have plenty of people who can do the grunt work anyway. Do we really need to allow a bunch of warehouse labourers and factory workers into the country when there's plenty of unemployed already who can do the job?

    Yet, anybody who has an argument against mass-immigration is immediately shouted down by the left and the liberals as a "racist" and a "Nazi" who flat out refuse to listen to opposing arguments.

    Another thing, the liberals and supposed "Anti-fascist" groups seem to verge onto fascist territory themselves at times. We live in a democracy, a place where freedom of speech exists and where people should not be targetted because of their race, cultural or political beliefs and yet, those on the left are constantly involved in attacks on supporters of right-wing groups.

    Nick Griffin has been attacked and had a dart thrown at him. BNP members have been forced out of their jobs by "liberals" and anti-racist groups. Now, regardless of whether you agree with their policies and ideas, is it right that men should be attacked and forced out of work because of their beliefs?

    Isn't attacks on political opponents and denying them the right to freedom of speech a traditionally fascist method? I don't support the BNP at all (I vote Conservative) but I do believe that Nick Griffin should be allowed to be a politician and give speeches without fear of reprisal. Likewise, I believe Anjem Choudary and his group should also be allowed to say what they want without fear of reprisal.

    What a stupid generalisation to make: that all liberals are middle/upper class. I grew up on a council estate and am as working class as it gets, yet I would definitely call myself liberal, along with a large majority of my friends.

    A true liberal would oppose any form of negative discrimination, but the right love to make out that the white race is now somehow the most oppressed. This is just laughable, if any kind of prejudice and discrimination should be criticised it is the huge islamaphobic attitudes many have and are developing.

    Groups such as the BNP and EDL deserve to be heavily criticised. If they were allowed to go about spewing their bile, unopposed, many of the uninformed populace would consider them acceptable, therefore, vastly increasing their membership. These 'attacks' are necessary to expose these groups for what they truly are: racist, facist organisations that should have no major place in a modern, civilised nation.

    Also, don't try and make out the extreme right as being heavily oppressed by the left. It works both ways, did you never learn about the crap supporters of communism had to put up with for decades?
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    (Original post by Rock_and_roll)
    What a stupid generalisation to make: that all liberals are middle/upper class. I grew up on a council estate and am as working class as it gets, yet I would definitely call myself liberal, along with a large majority of my friends.

    A true liberal would oppose any form of negative discrimination, but the right love to make out that the white race is now somehow the most oppressed. This is just laughable, if any kind of prejudice and discrimination should be criticised it is the huge islamaphobic attitudes many have and are developing.

    Groups such as the BNP and EDL deserve to be heavily criticised. If they were allowed to go about spewing their bile, unopposed, many of the uninformed populace would consider them acceptable, therefore, vastly increasing their membership. These 'attacks' are necessary to expose these groups for what they truly are: racist, facist organisations that should have no major place in a modern, civilised nation.

    Also, don't try and make out the extreme right as being heavily oppressed by the left. It works both ways, did you never learn about the crap supporters of communism had to put up with for decades?
    In many countries of europe the white peoples are the most oppressed. Perhaps not the most economically disadvantaged but politically, economically and socially opressed. There is a difference between being deprived, and being opressed. If we had white male shortlists, most of the liberals/marxists would be crying 'wacists' like there is no tomorow. But when whites are opressed they seem to think that is fine.

    Even if the non-whites were being opressed, they have homogenous countries to return home to if they don't like it here. We don't, when we are being opressed like we are now, we have nowhere to go because european homelands are being ethnically cleansed.

    I loved that little description you gave at the end, what 'bile' do we spew :rolleyes:
    I think deep down you know we are not fascist nor racist, but you have a few quotes from 10-20 years ago on your side, but it's all without substance. Why do non-whites vote BNP if we are so racist then? It's not like anyone hasn't heard the liberal smears.

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