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How can people think homosexuality is a choice?

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    because it is.....
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    We, as humans, are geneticlly modelled to be attracted to the opposite sex, therefore I do believe it is a choice.
    You don't see one male dog wanting to have sex with another male dog, do you?

    Having said that, do whatever pleases you. It is none of my business what goes on in your life, after all.
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    (Original post by Bellissima)
    why should they have to be separated from everyone else? it's wrong. they are people too and therefore should be treated the same as everyone else.... if it is exactly the same legally then why not call it marriage? you don't call marriage between two black people a different name to a marriage between two white people. it's like what i said with allowing african americans on the bus... they were allowed on the bus, but they had to sit in a specified seat. it's subtle discrimination to let them know that they are not as worthy as straight people of marriage.
    Yeah but it stops people from causing a fuss and helps relations between bigoted people. I believe that once civil partnerships have been in law for long enough, most people will be happy with them becoming official marriages. It's inconsequential to me what the world calls my piece of paper as long as I can have my husband and all the rights which I need to have peace of mind. Why fight for something which will cause much resentment and hatred yet actually only changes the name of the document. It's also not like the bus thing because both papers serve the exact same purpose. One doesn't have more powers than the other and you can't deny one over another thus proving, in my opinion, that it's a pointless battle to fight.
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    (Original post by Holby_fanatic)
    We, as humans, are geneticlly modelled to be attracted to the opposite sex, therefore I do believe it is a choice.
    You don't see one male dog wanting to have sex with another male dog, do you?

    Having said that, do whatever pleases you. It is none of my business what goes on in your life, after all.
    Psst... I have. :sexface:
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    (Original post by BioFurMatPhyStudent)
    Psst... I have. :sexface:
    Well I haven't.
    It must be rare though in other species, right?
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    (Original post by Holby_fanatic)
    We, as humans, are geneticlly modelled to be attracted to the opposite sex, therefore I do believe it is a choice.
    I don't think you understand genetics. When a species reproduces it tries to follow the model given to it in its DNA but mistakes occur in the process. These mutations cause people to be tall, black, have big feet, or even to be gay! To be gay is as much a choice as it is to be tall.

    (Original post by Holby_fanatic)
    You don't see one male dog wanting to have sex with another male dog, do you?
    You are actually completely incorrect! Homosexuality is prevalent in animals at about the same rate that it is in humans and is actually very well documented and researched.
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    (Original post by Holby_fanatic)
    Well I haven't.
    It must be rare though in other species, right?
    Haha, I have too. My friend's dog has homosexual tendencies -- that is, when he's not trying to hump my arm or thighs
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    (Original post by Miracle Day)
    I just had a heated argument with some guy, and my frustration is what angered me to write this. He told me, for accepting gays and being cool with them, and treating them as I would anyone else I'm not a proper Christian - infact probably not one at all - because the Bible condemns them. He says we should all use Jesus as a model human.

    I tell him about Lady Gaga born this way and he was adamant people aren't born gay, but they're brought up fooled.

    I then ask how homosexuality can be a choice, when homophobic areas have higher suicide rates and by his logic surely they could just change back to being straight if it was a choice. He then says he wishes more homosexuals would commit suicide, and that homosexuals don't think they can turn straight.

    So I tell him, Jesus tells us to love all.. so saying that is going against Christianity etc. Then he quotes Sodomy and Gamora.

    He's obviously not just a closed minded pre-teen.. he knows his stuff. I just can't comprehend how people can believe it.

    If any of you believe it's a choice.. help me out and tell me why please.

    Edit: I'm just so angry right now.. sorry.. someone restore my faith in humanity
    Dude is a pretty bad Christian... he says Jesus should be the model human and yet he quotes the old testament?

    Being attracted to the same sex is not a choice, but acting on it is more of a choice, and that is what some (but not all) Christians disagree with, as they beleive that sex is for marriage and procreation and all that.
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    (Original post by Miracle Day)

    Edit: I'm just so angry right now.. sorry.. someone restore my faith in humanity
    Of course its a choice ! Think back to when you were young
    and were assexual as im sure we all used to think the opposite sex
    was gross and intercourse was disgusting and lalala. Once we turn a suitable age we choose to be aroused by whatever sex we choose. Im not against homosexuality but im not for it either. I couldnt give a rats behind about it
    but saying its not a choice is bs
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    (Original post by Bellissima)
    i am still waiting to hear about these "homosexual lies" that you started talking about.
    What if they start teaching about homosexuality in schools. We should respect the wishes of religious folk who don't want their children to be exposed to things like that.

    Also, some gay people are very militant and I don't want them to win, because I don't want their views being taught in schools.
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    (Original post by bad8oy)
    how are they getting treated differently?????????? they are being treated exactly the same as the rest of us, all the same rules in life apply to us all do they not????
    i am talking about gay marriage...
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    (Original post by DYKWIA)
    What if they start teaching about homosexuality in schools. We should respect the wishes of religious folk who don't want their children to be exposed to things like that.

    Also, some gay people are very militant and I don't want them to win, because I don't want their views being taught in schools.
    Can't the same be said for religion. I am an atheist and so if I have children, I may wish that the aren't taught about world religions. It so happens that I would because I don't want ignorant children but I'm just showing that it applies both was and so is quite hypocritical of you to even suggest it.

    (Original post by bad8oy)
    and? why should gays be allowed to get married. civil partnership should be good enough for them. think about it. if a gay couple adopted a kid i know for a fact that kid would get badly bullied. i mean it doesnt have a direct effect on people like us but think about how it effects say the kid.
    and homosexuality is unnatural. people were made for the opposite sex.
    You realise that children can be adopted under civil partnerships? I know many gay parents who make a great job of it and who will raise terrific children. I don't know why this should be stopped just because some people are ignorant.
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    (Original post by DYKWIA)
    What if they start teaching about homosexuality in schools. We should respect the wishes of religious folk who don't want their children to be exposed to things like that.

    Also, some gay people are very militant and I don't want them to win, because I don't want their views being taught in schools.
    what do you mean by "teaching homosexuality"?? a lesson on how to be gay? that is the stupidest thing i've heard from you so far... why would there be lessons on homosexuality when there aren't any on heterosexuality? if you mean teaching children that there is nothing wrong with being gay... then what is wrong with that? what is the problem with teaching children not to hate people for something that has no affect on their character?

    i do not respect the views of bigoted religious people, i do not respect the views of bigoted people full stop. if they want to hate people for something as pathetic as their skin colour or sexuality then that is their choice... but to not teach children that everyone should be treated the same regardless of race, sexuality etc. JUST because it goes against prejudiced views then that is completely wrong.

    "expose children to homosexuality"... well guess what, it's a fact of human life, they are going to be exposed to it one way or another. there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with telling children that some men or women love eachother the way mummy and daddy love eachother and you shouldn't hate people because of that. it's not going to make them gay. when i mentioned to my 8 year old cousin that will young was gay she said "ewwwww he's so gross" which i think is just distgusting that an 8 year old has been influenced this way to have a negative opinion on someone for something like sexuality.



    yes, some gay people are very militant, because it is something they feel strongly about when they are not treated equally, when gays in other countries are persecuted, when there is still A LOT of bigotry towards gays going around.
    there are also very militant theists, atheists, republicans, socialists, environmentalists etc. AND very militant homophobes.
    i don't know what you mean by "win" but it's not a game is it.
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    (Original post by DYKWIA)
    What if they start teaching about homosexuality in schools. We should respect the wishes of religious folk who don't want their children to be exposed to things like that.

    Also, some gay people are very militant and I don't want them to win, because I don't want their views being taught in schools.
    They teach religion in schools, i didnt need to hear about that, i have no intention on being religious but i still took part in the lessons and listened to people who's views differed from mine greatly, how is this any different to religious people listening to the views of those who are not in the same way sexually inclined....Not the best example considering numerous religious people understand that they can in fact be gay without falling into the deepest depths of hell.

    There is, in higher level schools, the choice to opt out of certain lessons. If some narrow minded people think their children should grow up completely oblivious to the real world around them and the people in it then i imagine they can have their children taken out of the "lessons about how to be gay"

    ...I assume thats what you mean by 'teaching about homosexuality' because no sane person would think it wrong to teach children to be tolerant of their fellow humans regardless of their sexual orientation :rolleyes:

    Also: What do you actually mean by "teachings of homosexuality"? Lessons on anal sex? Brainwashing students into becoming gay? i dont actually understand how homosexuality can be "taught".
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    (Original post by Bellissima)
    what do you mean by "teaching homosexuality"?? a lesson on how to be gay? that is the stupidest thing i've heard from you so far... why would there be lessons on homosexuality when there aren't any on heterosexuality? if you mean teaching children that there is nothing wrong with being gay... then what is wrong with that? what is the problem with teaching children not to hate people for something that has no affect on their character?
    Just posted almost exactly the same as this, whoops
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    (Original post by DYKWIA)
    What if they start teaching about homosexuality in schools.
    What do you mean by 'about homosexuality'? Is there really that much to teach?

    We should respect the wishes of religious folk who don't want their children to be exposed to things like that.
    I don't see why we should. We wouldn't 'respect the wishes' of racist parents who didn't want their children to be taught anti-racism in schools. We wouldn't 'respect the wishes' of parents who believed that people with skin diseases were inferior who didn't want their children to be taught that they deserve the same respect as anyone else. Why should we tolerate intolerant parents?

    Also, some gay people are very militant and I don't want them to win, because I don't want their views being taught in schools.
    This sounds like the stupidest conspiracy theory I've ever heard.
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    (Original post by bad8oy)
    and? why should gays be allowed to get married. civil partnership should be good enough for them. think about it. if a gay couple adopted a kid i know for a fact that kid would get badly bullied. i mean it doesnt have a direct effect on people like us but think about how it effects say the kid.
    and homosexuality is unnatural. people were made for the opposite sex.
    it's not good enough because it is not the same. it is separating them from marriage.


    that is not the gay couples fault nor the childs, it is homophobes in society.


    if homosexuality were unnatural it wouldn't occur, but it does, therefore it is natural. if it only came about through something like genetic engineering then it would not be natural, but it is because it happens...... naturally!
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    (Original post by Darrenh800)
    Yeah but it stops people from causing a fuss and helps relations between bigoted people. I believe that once civil partnerships have been in law for long enough, most people will be happy with them becoming official marriages. It's inconsequential to me what the world calls my piece of paper as long as I can have my husband and all the rights which I need to have peace of mind. Why fight for something which will cause much resentment and hatred yet actually only changes the name of the document. It's also not like the bus thing because both papers serve the exact same purpose. One doesn't have more powers than the other and you can't deny one over another thus proving, in my opinion, that it's a pointless battle to fight.
    ok fair enough, i used to think that way but then i thought more about it and in my opinion they should not be separated. they should not segregate gay people from the rest of the world in any way, and this is one way of doing it. of course civil unions are MUCH better than nothing... but that doesn't justify them not being marriages.
    if you don't fight for anything then nothing will happen. history can show us that.
    the bus serves the same purpose and sitting on the seat in the back isn't any different to sitting in the seat in the front, but it is the message it sends out, the reminder that no, you are not as good as us.
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    (Original post by bad8oy)
    im not being ignorant, i being truthfull i know for a fact that in school a boy with say 2 dads will definitely get bullied. im not saying i would bully. i would never dream of bullying someone but i know for a fact they would get bullied by someone.
    I'm not saying you are ignorant. I'm calling the bully ignorant and I don't think they should stop two loving people from bringing up a child. Why punish them? I think you should educate the ignorant not punish the couple who want a child.
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    (Original post by Holby_fanatic)
    We, as humans, are geneticlly modelled to be attracted to the opposite sex,
    Are we really? That's odd, I thought that wasn't true?

    Oh, right... It isn't. Just like we see homosexuality in 250+ animal species, we see it in humans to. Last I checked, if over 250+ animal species, that aren't capable of making conscious choices such as "Oh, hey, today is a great day to be gay!" I'm pretty sure there's a strong genetic factor.

    Oh, right... And of course psychology has long since debunked your view.
    (Original post by Holby_fanatic)
    therefore I do believe it is a choice.
    And you're wrong. See all of modern science.

    (Original post by Holby_fanatic)
    You don't see one male dog wanting to have sex with another male dog, do you?
    In fact, you do. In fact, like I said before, over 250+ animal species display homosexual tendencies and gay sex!
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