How can people think homosexuality is a choice?
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Re: How can people think homosexuality is a choice?I have no idea how in the world you came to that conclusion based on those statistics. The percentage of blonde people in Sudan is probably extremely low as well, but it doesn't mean being blonde is unnatural; although, there really is no such thing as "natural" or "unnatural".(Original post by bad8oy)
When looking at same sex sexual attraction, and not necessarily sexual experience, the figures have also changed over the ten-year period, with women showing the most significant difference. In 1990, 93.3% of men said they had only ever had sexual attraction towards the opposite sex, whilst by 2000 this had fallen to 91.9%. 93.6% of women in 1990 said they had only ever been attracted to men, but by 2000 this had dropped to 88.3%. From this we can therefore deduce that 11.7% of women and 8.1% of men have felt a sexual attraction towards the same sex at least once in their lives.
there these figures state that it is unnatural. if it was natural surely there would be a larger proportion of the population that had gay feelings. The way children were raised in the past probably had alot to do with it. In recent times parents have become soft and let there children do as they please. So gayness is something that you have choice over. But the fact is it is unnatural. and secondly people are gay because of the way they are brought up, in no way are they gay because of genetics. -
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Re: How can people think homosexuality is a choice?Your assertions on whether or not there were genetic factors in determining sexuality attested otherwise.(Original post by Holby_fanatic)
Yes, but what I was trying to imply was that there was a definate gene that makes you obese. There is not. Obviously, there are always going to be some other biological factors that determine your weight, but generally it is down to what you eat.
You don't know me, therefore do not assume that I am uneducated. Ever heard the phrase, "Don't judge a book by its cover"?
Simply enough, there are genetic factors. And simply enough, sexuality isn't a choice. -
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Re: How can people think homosexuality is a choice?Do you not think these figures more accurately represent growing acceptance of homosexuality, rather than increases in the natural levels of homosexuality?(Original post by bad8oy)
When looking at same sex sexual attraction, and not necessarily sexual experience, the figures have also changed over the ten-year period, with women showing the most significant difference. In 1990, 93.3% of men said they had only ever had sexual attraction towards the opposite sex, whilst by 2000 this had fallen to 91.9%. 93.6% of women in 1990 said they had only ever been attracted to men, but by 2000 this had dropped to 88.3%. From this we can therefore deduce that 11.7% of women and 8.1% of men have felt a sexual attraction towards the same sex at least once in their lives.
there these figures state that it is unnatural. if it was natural surely there would be a larger proportion of the population that had gay feelings. The way children were raised in the past probably had alot to do with it. In recent times parents have become soft and let there children do as they please. So gayness is something that you have choice over. But the fact is it is unnatural. and secondly people are gay because of the way they are brought up, in no way are they gay because of genetics.
Besides, Kinsey, as the most famous researcher in this field, found that 37% of men had engaged in homosexual and heterosexual activities, could behaviour reported by over a third of the population really be described as "unnatural"? -
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Re: How can people think homosexuality is a choice?(Original post by bad8oy)
When looking at same sex sexual attraction, and not necessarily sexual experience, the figures have also changed over the ten-year period, with women showing the most significant difference. In 1990, 93.3% of men said they had only ever had sexual attraction towards the opposite sex, whilst by 2000 this had fallen to 91.9%. 93.6% of women in 1990 said they had only ever been attracted to men, but by 2000 this had dropped to 88.3%. From this we can therefore deduce that 11.7% of women and 8.1% of men have felt a sexual attraction towards the same sex at least once in their lives.
there these figures state that it is unnatural. if it was natural surely there would be a larger proportion of the population that had gay feelings. The way children were raised in the past probably had alot to do with it. In recent times parents have become soft and let there children do as they please. So gayness is something that you have choice over. But the fact is it is unnatural. and secondly people are gay because of the way they are brought up, in no way are they gay because of genetics.
I have no idea where you learned what statistics mean - but your conclusion doesn't even come close to following from your premises.
The number of people displaying a certain behavior has nothing to do with its being natural or unnatural.
Did you know before there were white lions, there weren't any white lions? And then, because of genetic mutations there were white lions! And then, there were more white lions! What does that statistic prove? It only proves the rate of occurrence of some particular thing, in this case, whiteness.
In the statistics you've provided, it only tells me how often some characteristic X is expressed. That has absolutely nothing to do with it being natural or unnatural. In fact, the statistics are entirely silent on the matter.
I have no idea who taught the relationship between statistics and causation and correlation and argumentation, but you need to go back to them and get your money back - because you haven't learned anything on that subject. -
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Re: How can people think homosexuality is a choice?I can understand how you feel. What people really need to learn are two things, it's caused by genetics and if you really want someone to blame blame straight people that keep having gay babies >.< it's ridiculous! people don't choose their sexuality!
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Re: How can people think homosexuality is a choice?Agreed. The person who negged you just proved your point.(Original post by Aust1n)
Pathetic to see all the anti gays negging all the decent posts. Disgusting.
On topic: I don't think it's a choice.
I listened to a radio show talking about homosexuality today. How society is still homophobic in some parts and gay people are very relucatant to come out for fear of ridicule and prejudice. I really feel sorry for people that are bullied for their homosexuality and wish for a time when people aren't pressured into conforming to whatever people deem the 'norm' for society. Sadly that day seems quite a long way away. -
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Re: How can people think homosexuality is a choice?Your assumptions are flawed. For LGB in the UK the figure is around 6%, but a further(Original post by bad8oy)
When looking at same sex sexual attraction, and not necessarily sexual experience, the figures have also changed over the ten-year period, with women showing the most significant difference. In 1990, 93.3% of men said they had only ever had sexual attraction towards the opposite sex, whilst by 2000 this had fallen to 91.9%. 93.6% of women in 1990 said they had only ever been attracted to men, but by 2000 this had dropped to 88.3%. From this we can therefore deduce that 11.7% of women and 8.1% of men have felt a sexual attraction towards the same sex at least once in their lives.
there these figures state that it is unnatural. if it was natural surely there would be a larger proportion of the population that had gay feelings. The way children were raised in the past probably had alot to do with it. In recent times parents have become soft and let there children do as they please. So gayness is something that you have choice over. But the fact is it is unnatural. and secondly people are gay because of the way they are brought up, in no way are they gay because of genetics.
See this survey here
http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/u...o_explored.pdf
Summary findings
In this sample, approaching six per cent of people identified themselves as LGB and almost 91 per cent as heterosexual/straight.
If other aspects of sexual orientation are included alongside those who identify themselves as LGB, such as having sex with, or being sexually attracted to someone of the same sex, the figure rises to 14 percent.
So that is another 8% (14%-6%) who either have sex with someone of the same sex, but do not identify themselves as LGB, or have a same-sex attraction. You can quickly see there are people out there who have same-sex attractions who refuse to identify, presumably for reasons of stigma, as LGB. Perhaps the bisexual community is quite a bit bigger than anyone had thought.
This was data collected for the Government's Equality and Human Rights Commission. It's also mirrored in another survey in the US. -
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Re: How can people think homosexuality is a choice?Where im from, the comment he made is called a 'par', which is translated to mean the word "owned"(Original post by bad8oy)
no he is not brutal he is something else.... that something is mentioned in the thread
though my translations are a bit iffy... -
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Re: How can people think homosexuality is a choice?You're such a crap troll (or either very stupid). Why bother?(Original post by bad8oy)
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Re: How can people think homosexuality is a choice?If gayness is something people have a choice over, then why don't I have a choice to not be gay? I'm attracted to males, and that's just the way I am.(Original post by bad8oy)
When looking at same sex sexual attraction, and not necessarily sexual experience, the figures have also changed over the ten-year period, with women showing the most significant difference. In 1990, 93.3% of men said they had only ever had sexual attraction towards the opposite sex, whilst by 2000 this had fallen to 91.9%. 93.6% of women in 1990 said they had only ever been attracted to men, but by 2000 this had dropped to 88.3%. From this we can therefore deduce that 11.7% of women and 8.1% of men have felt a sexual attraction towards the same sex at least once in their lives.
there these figures state that it is unnatural. if it was natural surely there would be a larger proportion of the population that had gay feelings. The way children were raised in the past probably had alot to do with it. In recent times parents have become soft and let there children do as they please. So gayness is something that you have choice over. But the fact is it is unnatural. and secondly people are gay because of the way they are brought up, in no way are they gay because of genetics.
Oh, and the word 'natural' is really just a synonym of 'possible' - if something is possible in the framework of the physical laws, then by definition it is natural. Being rarer doesn't make a phenomenon more unnatural. It just makes it more rare.Last edited by Retrodiction; 20-02-2012 at 00:05. -
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Re: How can people think homosexuality is a choice?you are seriously over simplifying genetics and the combination of different genes overall effect.(Original post by Holby_fanatic)
We do not have a "gay gene". As said before, that is like saying we have an "obese gene" that determines whether we are obese or not. It is all down to environmental factors, i.e. the sexual preferences people have are down to how they are brought up = CHOICE! -
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Re: How can people think homosexuality is a choice?i personally dont think that homosexuality is a choice, and that you shouldnt really have to care what this man says anyway. just agree to disagree and leave it. although i do see why youre angry. just feel sorry for him that he wont understand or is even willing to try the way you do
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Re: How can people think homosexuality is a choice?I agree that some people can't help their own sexual preferences and there is nothing wrong with that, they should be free to express themselves. But I have noticed that it has become somewhat of a fad to claim that you're either gay or bisexual and I think that is why some people don't think that people are born that way and that they choose to be like that because they think it's cool. I think that those people who are doing it just to seem interesting are making it difficult for people who are actually gay/bisexual/lesbian/etc. because others won't understand their situation and will only think they are doing it for the attention.
Also sorry if anyone else has made this point, I didn't go through all the comments. -
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Re: How can people think homosexuality is a choice?EVEN IF they were environmental factors (which i seriously doubt seeing as children brought up buy gay couples do not automatically become gay and there are plenty of gay people in evetremely homophobic societies).. a child does not CHOOSE its development. it still would not make it a choice.(Original post by Holby_fanatic)
We do not have a "gay gene". As said before, that is like saying we have an "obese gene" that determines whether we are obese or not. It is all down to environmental factors, i.e. the sexual preferences people have are down to how they are brought up = CHOICE! -
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Re: How can people think homosexuality is a choice?regarding the comment, neither(Original post by bad8oy)
i am confused are you backing me or him?
regarding the thread, him... being gay is natural and not a choice...Last edited by Dmon1Unlimited; 20-02-2012 at 00:20. -
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Re: How can people think homosexuality is a choice?Can't be environment can it. Glee hasn't been on the TV that long, and caveman have no books, religion, writing, philosophy, TV, radio, rock-n-roll, and hadn't experienced the sexual revolution of the 60s. All stupid and idiotic things which some say might be responsible for people being gay.(Original post by Bellissima)
EVEN IF they were environmental factors (which i seriously doubt seeing as children brought up buy gay couples do not automatically become gay and there are plenty of gay people in evetremely homophobic societies).. a child does not CHOOSE its development. it still would not make it a choice.
I mean, gay people have been around since the start of recorded history, in all regions of the world. Who the hell would choose to be gay in Iran or Uganda? If you had a choice, that is not one you would make, because the authorities in Iran don't think it's cool, they think .... get me a rope
So I agree with you that environmental factors offer a pretty poor explanation - well, pretty much no explanation at all. -
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Re: How can people think homosexuality is a choice?Is it impertinent to ask why you think it's unnatural?
Is this because your religion tells you it's not right, or do you not follow a religion?
What have you heard, read or seen or felt that made you feel this way?Last edited by binkey; 20-02-2012 at 00:25. -
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Re: How can people think homosexuality is a choice?Yes, you clearly know what you're talking about because you've presented valid, sound logical argumentation with research to back it up.(Original post by bad8oy)
she is right dont message me back because you are irritating and go buy some skinny jeans lol they will complete your look
No, none of that is true. Clearly, your opinion on this subject is useless as you can't even back it up with any meaningful basis. -
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Re: How can people think homosexuality is a choice?There's some studies done on there being an actual gay gene and you can find them http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?...ed=0CBsQgQMwAA
It's quite interesting.
The only problem is that it does not account for pansexuality et cetera. **** labels anyway. Who cares?
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