[shyamshah]

(Original post by Straight up G)
Great leader maybe not, have you seen India in tests recently?

In ODIs, no doubt that we need a new captain in test matches, although i dont know where it will come from. Sehwag is lazy in the field and i dont think is a great leader, the only other person is Gambhir which could work i guess.
Dhoni has no idea what he is doing in test matches, his tactics are rubbish.

[TheProdigy2k9]

(Original post by Straight up G)
Lol, depends on what you think about when calling someone great, but I doubt Dhoni will ever exceed Sachin. The 175 against Australia comes to my mind first, along with Razzaq's 109, when I think about last-man-standing efforts.

He would probably get into an all time XI for ODI if he keeps going the way hes going. He IS Captain Cool.

(Original post by shyamshah)
That Sachin innings was amazing, there are many people who are one hit wonders and Dhoni needs to prove that hes more than that, but in saying that he has an average of 50+ i think and hes a wicket keeper so that must be one of the best wicket keeper batsmen ever.

That is probably Gilchrist, but tbf Dhoni is a great ODI batsman anyway.

[Captain Crash]

Very interesting article on Sehwag.

Pretty much sums up my views. Very good batsman, but not a great one, let down mainly by his poor overseas record (to which some might say flat-track bully) and inability to adapt his game to the match situation and

[My Alt]

(Original post by TheProdigy2k9)
LOL Morgan has been anything but ruthless on the whole tour.

I think you might be missing the point of my post. Anyway, it's generally a good policy not to base match choices on current form, but on a more general overview of the player.

[areyouthere?]

Dhoni not playing tomorrow, India, might miss the finals if they loose tomorrow, on the other hand a bonus point win from Sri Lanka, will increase their chances.

[shyamshah]

(Original post by Captain Crash)
Very interesting article on Sehwag.

Pretty much sums up my views. Very good batsman, but not a great one, let down mainly by his poor overseas record (to which some might say flat-track bully) and inability to adapt his game to the match situation and

Sehwag hasn't done enough to be called a legend alongside Sachin, Dravid, Ganguly and Laxman. His overseas record is poor as you said and he doesnt know how to play to match situations. He is more than just a flat track bully though i would say. Also his test record is much better than his odi record which must account for something.

[shyamshah]

(Original post by areyouthere?)
Dhoni not playing tomorrow, India, might miss the finals if they loose tomorrow, on the other hand a bonus point win from Sri Lanka, will increase their chances.

Our batting line up will change which is a very good thing and all three of Sachin, Sehwag and Gauti will play so Kohli will play at 4 which is a better position for him in Australia and the out of form Rohit sharma will be dropped hopefully.

[Captain Crash]

(Original post by shyamshah)
Sehwag hasn't done enough to be called a legend alongside Sachin, Dravid, Ganguly and Laxman. His overseas record is poor as you said and he doesnt know how to play to match situations. He is more than just a flat track bully though i would say. Also his test record is much better than his odi record which must account for something.

Laxman and Ganguly can't really be called legends. Averages of 45.97 and 42.17 are merely acceptable by international standards (I would consider 50 an absolute minimum to call a specialist batsman legendary) and whilst both undoubtedly have a special place in Indian fans hearts for differing reasons (in the same way Vaughan and Atherton might for England), they certainly don't deserve the 'legendary' or 'great' accolade that belongs to the likes of Bradman, Tendulkar and Lara et al.

[shyamshah]

(Original post by Captain Crash)
Laxman and Ganguly can't really be called legends. Averages of 45.97 and 42.17 are merely acceptable by international standards (I would consider 50 an absolute minimum to call a specialist batsman legendary) and whilst both undoubtedly have a special place in Indian fans hearts for differing reasons (in the same way Vaughan and Atherton might for England), they certainly don't deserve the 'legendary' or 'great' accolade that belongs to the likes of Bradman, Tendulkar and Lara et al.

True, but Laxman has fought us out from losing positions to winning positions so many times and surely thats because he is a great. Although i understand fully what you are saying. In regard to Ganguly he is more of a legend because of his captaincy i think that his batting, because he gave the Indian team the fighting spirit. I never watched cricket in Gangulys time but this is what ive heard. Sachin and Dravid are levels ahead of the rest of the indian batsmen without a doubt.

[TheProdigy2k9]

(Original post by My Alt)
I think you might be missing the point of my post. Anyway, it's generally a good policy not to base match choices on current form, but on a more general overview of the player.

I know what you meant, Morgan is an excellent ODI and T20 player, probably one of the best T20 players. Kind of lucky he's been out of form, only God knows what he would have done to Pakistans joke of a bowling attack.

(Original post by Captain Crash)
Laxman and Ganguly can't really be called legends. Averages of 45.97 and 42.17 are merely acceptable by international standards (I would consider 50 an absolute minimum to call a specialist batsman legendary) and whilst both undoubtedly have a special place in Indian fans hearts for differing reasons (in the same way Vaughan and Atherton might for England), they certainly don't deserve the 'legendary' or 'great' accolade that belongs to the likes of Bradman, Tendulkar and Lara et al.

Absolutely 100% agreed.

[areyouthere?]

(Original post by shyamshah)
Our batting line up will change which is a very good thing and all three of Sachin, Sehwag and Gauti will play so Kohli will play at 4 which is a better position for him in Australia and the out of form Rohit sharma will be dropped hopefully.

Hopefully it will be another good match, I don't want a one side affair.

[Raiden10]

(Original post by Captain Crash)
Very interesting article on Sehwag.

Pretty much sums up my views. Very good batsman, but not a great one, let down mainly by his poor overseas record (to which some might say flat-track bully) and inability to adapt his game to the match situation and

Without reading the article I can tell you off the top of my head that Sehwag averages 36 in 34 tests outside the subcontinent. Top scores of 195 (Australia) and 180 (West Indies) out of 5 centuries. That and a lot of low scores. Sehwag averages like 61 in 50 tests on the subcontinent. I can tell you Tendulkar doesn't have this kind of record.

Tendulkar averages almost 50.9 outside the subcontinent (in 73 matches). Meanwhile he averages 54.0 in the subcontinent (99 matches).

[Raiden10]

(Original post by Captain Crash)
Laxman and Ganguly can't really be called legends. Averages of 45.97 and 42.17 are merely acceptable by international standards (I would consider 50 an absolute minimum to call a specialist batsman legendary) and whilst both undoubtedly have a special place in Indian fans hearts for differing reasons (in the same way Vaughan and Atherton might for England), they certainly don't deserve the 'legendary' or 'great' accolade that belongs to the likes of Bradman, Tendulkar and Lara et al.

If you exclude Zimbabwe and Bangladesh (who most batsmen with a significant number of test matches average around 100 against) then not even Dravid meets your criterion. I don't think there's a batsmen in the world today who averages over 55 in test cricket. It's just the "photoshop" effect of runs racked up against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh.

[areyouthere?]

India most likely to miss the finals!!
A good game from SL, but they were really sloppy in the fielding and missing those catches cost them the bonus point.

[S_mush]

Pakistans spin ftw!!
I hope Pakistan win this to avoid humiliation. They're also in dire need of motivation

[King-Panther]

(Original post by S_mush)
Pakistans spin ftw!!
I hope Pakistan win this to avoid humiliation. They're also in dire need of motivation

I hope they do (avoid a humiliation) and this game is a long way from over.

[shyamshah]

India need to start playing seriously now, and stick to a side and not keep on changing the team. Do you think its time for Sachin Tendulkar to retire from ODI cricket? I personally dont and still believe he has something special to offer, well i hope so anyway.

[shyamshah]

(Original post by Raiden10)
If you exclude Zimbabwe and Bangladesh (who most batsmen with a significant number of test matches average around 100 against) then not even Dravid meets your criterion. I don't think there's a batsmen in the world today who averages over 55 in test cricket. It's just the "photoshop" effect of runs racked up against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh.

Dravid has saved India from so many losses and has got through tough times when other people would have failed. He definitely deserves to be called a legend.

[King-Panther]

England played very well in this particular series, Pakistan not so well. England thoroughly deserve the white wash and I'm very disappointed in Pakistan's performance.

[Captain Crash]

Well that was nice, although I would have preferred Pietersen to hit form 4 or 5 games earlier....

It was also a bit ridiculous of Pakistan to pick 5 spinners and one seamer....

But meh, it's only an ODI series. Bring on the SL series.