[Strangeclouds]

(Original post by DeadBullyMafiosi)
Stop spouting rubbish. May I remaind you England recently whitewashed Pakistan in Pakistan a comprehensive 4-0 in the ODI series!

Oh yeah, you know, Pakistan who've got an exemplary top order and a magnificent array of seam bowler.

[shyamshah]

(Original post by You_Just_Might)
Sri Lanka's a big series so I doubt they would play many youngsters in that series, but for the NZ one I'd like to see VVS rested and maybe have youngster fill the no.5 and 6 spots(sharma and pujara are top of my list), also possibly rest zaheer with varun arron/dinda/ishant sharma/vinay kumar. We Will need zaheer full fitness for the england series.

I dont honestly think Vinay kumar is test level but yeah i would like to see Zaheer be rested for one of these series.

Yeah and also maybe Sehwag or Gambhir can be rested to give someone like Rahane or Mukund a chance.

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[DeadBullyMafiosi]

(Original post by shyamshah)
I agree but considering our selectors, Harbhajan might not get in the squad. Yeah but I would say that is for all of the youngsters, the Windies tour is sooo important for all of them.

We play Sri Lanka and NZ before we play England so they might try some of the youngsters out in those test matches.

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(Original post by You_Just_Might)
Sri Lanka's a big series so I doubt they would play many youngsters in that series, but for the NZ one I'd like to see VVS rested and maybe have youngster fill the no.5 and 6 spots(sharma and pujara are top of my list), also possibly rest zaheer with varun arron/dinda/ishant sharma/vinay kumar. We Will need zaheer full fitness for the england series.

I dont think we play Sri Lank for test matches. Correct me if I am wrong
Dinda/Vinay Kumar-I would leave them only for ODIs and t20's But on the second thought you might try them on the test level to see how they cope. Vinay already has test debut in Australia-where he didnt bowl well at all!

[shyamshah]

(Original post by DeadBullyMafiosi)
I dont think we play Sri Lank for test matches. Correct me if I am wrong
Dinda/Vinay Kumar-I would leave them only for ODIs and t20's But on the second thought you might try them on the test level to see how they cope. Vinay already has test debut in Australia-where he didnt bowl well at all!

Oh yeah you are right, we still have 10 test matches in the season so there is a huge opportunity for them to cement a place in the team.

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[Captain Crash]

Re: ODI vs Test matches, personally I believe the importance of ODIs is culturally based. For England, even when we've been good at ODIs, it's always been seen as the equivalent of the county Sunday Cup i.e. an entertaining enough filler between 5 day matches.

Meanwhile, the subcontinent teams value ODI more because their watershed moments in cricket history have all come in ODI - India and SL quite justifiably see their first ODI world cup wins as the moment they became taken as serious opponents in world cricket. Pakistan, whilst recognised as a force before their WC win, also hold huge importance on 1992. Contrast this with England, where the times we've beaten Australia in the Ashes are held dearest in our memories.

Meanwhile Australia values ODIs because it is their baby, with World Series Cricket.

[♥ ♥ ♥]

Ooh, didn't realise the India A test was starting today :O
Are they showing it on TV??

[DeadBullyMafiosi]

(Original post by ♥ ♥ ♥)
Ooh, didn't realise the India A test was starting today :O
Are they showing it on TV??

I dont think they show A tours on TV, the most you can do is follow the scorecard. Read this article I found it intrestinghttp://www.espncricinfo.com/india/co...ry/566975.html

[py0alb]

(Original post by Captain Crash)
Re: ODI vs Test matches, personally I believe the importance of ODIs is culturally based. For England, even when we've been good at ODIs, it's always been seen as the equivalent of the county Sunday Cup i.e. an entertaining enough filler between 5 day matches.

Meanwhile, the subcontinent teams value ODI more because their watershed moments in cricket history have all come in ODI - India and SL quite justifiably see their first ODI world cup wins as the moment they became taken as serious opponents in world cricket. Pakistan, whilst recognised as a force before their WC win, also hold huge importance on 1992. Contrast this with England, where the times we've beaten Australia in the Ashes are held dearest in our memories.

Meanwhile Australia values ODIs because it is their baby, with World Series Cricket.

The Australians value ODI's so much they're on the verge of altogether refusing to come to England this summer for a completely pointless series that literally no-one cares about. I don't think you'd ever see the Ashes being boycotted, would you?

I honestly don't think anyone would notice whether they turned up or not.

[Captain Crash]

(Original post by py0alb)
The Australians value ODI's so much they're on the verge of altogether refusing to come to England this summer for a completely pointless series that literally no-one cares about. I don't think you'd ever see the Ashes being boycotted, would you?

I honestly don't think anyone would notice whether they turned up or not.

I agree that the Aus-Eng ODI series is as much as a farce as the one two years ago in the middle of the Bangaldesh series, and I agree the players don't particularly value it beyond the world cup.

I was, however, referring more to the fans of the various countries rather than the players themselves.

[DeadBullyMafiosi]

(Original post by py0alb)
The Australians value ODI's so much they're on the verge of altogether refusing to come to England this summer for a completely pointless series that literally no-one cares about. I don't think you'd ever see the Ashes being boycotted, would you?

I honestly don't think anyone would notice whether they turned up or not.

(Original post by Captain Crash)
I agree that the Aus-Eng ODI series is as much as a farce as the one two years ago in the middle of the Bangaldesh series, and I agree the players don't particularly value it beyond the world cup.

I was, however, referring more to the fans of the various countries rather than the players themselves.

Here's a good question would you prefer winning the WC(ODI) or being the number 1 test team for a year?

I found it really hard to pick. Since winning the world cup is one time experience(once in 4 years) but then again being the best in the toughest format is always rewarding. Its tough to choose

[Strangeclouds]

If my team were to stay at number 2 for the other three years and produce meaningful test wins/series wins abroad then I'd much prefer that option. I was probably more happy when Pakistan won a test match at the Oval, and earlier against Australia than when we won the T20 WC a year earlier. Winning test matches requires sustained excellence, determination, application and mental strength and winning a series of pyjama games isn't on the same level.

Azhar Ali's 157 made me ecstatic, I had a great feeling for days.

[DeadBullyMafiosi]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashe...29.html-Really dissapointed about ECB desicion not to held the Ashes in Egdebaston..was planning to be there at that time!

[ste_mc_efc]

I'm going to make a really good effort to get to old trafford though.

[7589200]

Anyone else think Bairstow looks a bit crap? I like James Taylor.

[7589200]

Oh and...

I think Stuard Broad will go onto to be more successful than any bowler in the last 20 years for England; better than Anderson, Gough, Hoggard, etc etc

[DeadBullyMafiosi]

(Original post by Vazzyb)
Anyone else think Bairstow looks a bit crap? I like James Taylor.

I like Bopara. He seriously should be playing test matches for England. Why isnt he selected/playing?

[Captain Crash]

(Original post by DeadBullyMafiosi)
I like Bopara. He seriously should be playing test matches for England. Why isnt he selected/playing?

He's injured.

I like Bairstow. He looked good in the first test, before stupidly getting out, and problems against the short ball are just a matter of practice. My money is still on him taking over the gloves when Prior is gone.

[You_Just_Might]

(Original post by DeadBullyMafiosi)
I like Bopara. He seriously should be playing test matches for England. Why isnt he selected/playing?

(Original post by Captain Crash)
He's injured.

I like Bairstow. He looked good in the first test, before stupidly getting out, and problems against the short ball are just a matter of practice. My money is still on him taking over the gloves when Prior is gone.

Bopara's not injured, he just played a couple days ago and hit a great 120*, he's actually in pretty good nick atm with scores of 70 and 50 previously. I think because Bopara's so inconsistent with the bat the selectors are looking for someone who can consistently get runs at no.6 and they think Bairstow is the man, especially with tough tests against SA coming up.

[Captain Crash]

(Original post by You_Just_Might)
Bopara's not injured, he just played a couple days ago and hit a great 120*, he's actually in pretty good nick atm with scores of 70 and 50 previously. I think because Bopara's so inconsistent with the bat the selectors are looking for someone who can consistently get runs at no.6 and they think Bairstow is the man, especially with tough tests against SA coming up.

That was his first top level game back, and a CB40 match at that. The 70 and 50 were reserve team T20 matches against Unicorns A team i.e. the second team of the team made up of cricketers not go enough to get contracts in a first-class county.

He had been injured for the past two test matches, and they're unlikely to re-pick him for the last match off the back of a single limited overs match.

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In other news, what's happened to Bishoo? Last I checked, he was ripping through the Indian lineup (although that's not much to shout about these days... ) and he's been replaced by an ordinary offspinner in Shillingford.

[You_Just_Might]

(Original post by Captain Crash)
That was his first top level game back, and a CB40 match at that. The 70 and 50 were reserve team T20 matches against Unicorns A team i.e. the second team of the team made up of cricketers not go enough to get contracts in a first-class county.

He had been injured for the past two test matches, and they're unlikely to re-pick him for the last match off the back of a single limited overs match.

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In other news, what's happened to Bishoo? Last I checked, he was ripping through the Indian lineup (although that's not much to shout about these days... ) and he's been replaced by an ordinary offspinner in Shillingford.

Ahhh the good scores make more sense now! Yeah they still probs won't pick him.

Lol I wont take that comment too personally but he's currently playing for west indies a team vs India a team in west indies. He did rubbish bowling 14 overs for 64 runs no wicket while shillingford took 10 wickets recently against the aussies! But now I think he's been replaced by Sunil Narine and I think he is probs the best spinner out of them all as proved by his Ipl stint this year :P


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