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Original post by Frankster
Yes, I see your point. The reason SRT is at 3 is because he needs time in the middle and he is the filling to the inexperienced sandwich around him - Rahane, Pujara, Kohli. He needs to be able to adapt his game at number 3 esp. since he is no longer going to play after a couple of seasons, imo, or might retire after Aussie series itself. So it allows the young guns to nurture around him.

I know Sehwag and Gambhir in India should open together, but tbh, Sehwag is out of form in test cricket and needs to be able to build his confidence facing the old ball so he can move up the order - and on that basis Rahane gets a chance at the top and I think with these NZ and Eng series it is very important to look ahead and not try and win series.. they need to be sustainable in their Test form and not just good at home and absolutely ***** away!

True - you could put Kohli at number 3 and Pujara at 5 or 6, but we need to remember Kohli hasn't fully nurtured as a Test player - yes he has a century but he needs to start down the order... whereas Pujara is an experienced player albeit played 1 test but judging by his form and the way he plays he would be best suited for number 3 for the time being.


But its better to put a player at number 3 who can keep that position for a long time and I can see Pujara or Kohli filling that role for the next generation of players. Kohli has filled that role in the ODIs very well so far when hes had his chance, and even though ODIs and test matches are different i can see him playing very good at number 3.

In India Sehwag is a different opponent to what he is away from home. I still believe we need Sehwag at the top of the order but Rahane is very well suited to open the innings. Our schedule for the next few years is only at home anyway.

Whatever team we play, I can see us winning against NZ and England.

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Original post by Straight up G
Oh, I thought it was 3-0. Possible but unlikely. Beating SL in SL is very difficult, though we have one great and two good players of spin (Younus, Misbah, Shafiq). I fear for the others. It will be a hard series and I don't think there will be a drawn game except because of weather, so I'm going for 2-1 Pakistan. Our main problems will be getting Kumar out, considering his record against Ajmal and Rehman, and seeing how long Taufeeq, Hafeez and Azhar can survive.


Yeah it could be 3-0 actually, i would still say Pakistan have a better team than Sri Lanka because of the quality of your bowling attack. SL key players are definitely Sanga, Jayawardena and Dilshan in terms of batting and then Herath for bowling I would say.

Will be a close fought series definitely.

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Original post by Frankster
Yes, I see your point. The reason SRT is at 3 is because he needs time in the middle and he is the filling to the inexperienced sandwich around him - Rahane, Pujara, Kohli. He needs to be able to adapt his game at number 3 esp. since he is no longer going to play after a couple of seasons, imo, or might retire after Aussie series itself. So it allows the young guns to nurture around him.

I know Sehwag and Gambhir in India should open together, but tbh, Sehwag is out of form in test cricket and needs to be able to build his confidence facing the old ball so he can move up the order - and on that basis Rahane gets a chance at the top and I think with these NZ and Eng series it is very important to look ahead and not try and win series.. they need to be sustainable in their Test form and not just good at home and absolutely ***** away!

True - you could put Kohli at number 3 and Pujara at 5 or 6, but we need to remember Kohli hasn't fully nurtured as a Test player - yes he has a century but he needs to start down the order... whereas Pujara is an experienced player albeit played 1 test but judging by his form and the way he plays he would be best suited for number 3 for the time being.


Tendulkar bats at 4 because he wants to. There is no way in hell that they'll change his position unless he asks for it. It actually makes more sense for him to bat at 4, and then be able to guide his successor at 4, Kohli, when he comes in at 5. If Rahane plays, he should be moved to three; less of a new ball problem for him, which will be his biggest threat (has worked brilliantly for Pakistan and Azhar Ali) and the idea is to get Sehwag back in form as an opener, because that is where his style of play can do the most damage. If he bats at 5 then fairly often he'll be batting with the tail, and won't have the license to play his shots, which would destroy him. Sehwag's reputation is built on the fear factor, and ability to play freely because of the immense batting line up behind him. He lacks the ability and technique to be a middle order accumulator and that would be an awful move. Pujara seems to me like a good long term middle order player, but unfortunately, he'll have to wait a while for a promotion. This is if Laxman is even dropped.

Oh, also, cba to answer your post on Pakistan, its a warped and angry mixture of drivel and rant. I'm amused that our successes get you worked up like that.
Original post by shyamshah
Well I don't think Dhawan hasa chance of being in our team tbh but Mukund did alright when he played for us. Pujara has played a few test matches for us but then got injured and hasn't had a chance since.

Yeah i agree, but the winter is gonna be busy so it's not too bad and i'm looking forward to SA vs England.

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Yeah, never been very impressed by Dhawan. Forgot Pujara's already debuted, oops.

Definately, got SL, then NZ then T20 WC, and England after that :smile: That's just India's schedule. Agreed, Eng vs SA will be an awesome contest. Hoping to see one of the games live :crossedf:

Original post by Frankster
Rahane hasn't made his test debut yet. And yes, missing cricket so much. Feeling kinda nostalgic although it was only a year ago that India came here and disappointed us ;(

Um... what I think is that Kohli has filled his place in the Test Xl definitely. They should drop Sehwag to number 5, that's where he started off his test career and he needs to go back there!
Rahane should open against NZ. NZ aren't that great a team and Rahane with a FC average of 60 should handle them well esp. with the ball not swinging in India!
Pujara should take VVS's place though only on temporary terms because he is a good chaser as shown recently.


1. Rahane
2. Gambhir
3. SRT
4. Pujara
5. Sehwag
6. Kohli
7. MS Dhoni
8. Aaron
9. Yadav
10. Khan
11. Ashwin


Agree with your squad, just would re-shuffle the line up, oh and add Rohit over Rahane. Gauti and Viru openers, Kohli at 3, then SRT then Rohit, Pujara and Dhoni.

Tbh, FC averages don't mean as much, when the players will no longer be facing FC bowlers.
Original post by Frankster

We will beat England just like we thrashed them 5-0 in the ODIs in India last year and had there been a test series we would have mullered them too. Who's their second best spinner? Swann isn't enough especially with MS Dhoni "helicopter-shotting" against him the last time I saw Dhoni v Swann. India has a pack load of spinners and some delightful pacemen coming too. By the looks of it, India has a brighter future than Pakistan :wink:


i) England didn't exactly take the series seriously, playing such allstars like Meaker and Borthwick. And tbh they are right - ODI series don't really mean much. I'd take the 4-0 test win over the 5-0 ODI series every day of the week.

ii) England have, in Panesar and Swann, two better test spinners than anything India can muster. It's a shame because all of the Indian spinners are starting to bowl flatter and faster, which is good for Twenty20, but awful for test matches (as Narine painfully found out this last week). None of them really setting the test arena alight. The series in Pakistan was lost mainly because of Ajmal's excellent spin bowling. I don't really see an Indian spinner who can have the same impact as Ajmal.

So whilst I'm still not confident of a win in India, I do think the series will have a better scoreline for England than it did against Pakistan.
Original post by Frankster
NZ aren't that great a team and Rahane with a FC average of 60 should handle them well esp. with the ball not swinging in India!


I would take Indian FC cricket stats with a pinch of salt considering the FC standard of bowlers and pitches in India. Jadeja has a FC triple century FFS.
Original post by ♥ ♥
Yeah, never been very impressed by Dhawan. Forgot Pujara's already debuted, oops.

Definately, got SL, then NZ then T20 WC, and England after that :smile: That's just India's schedule. Agreed, Eng vs SA will be an awesome contest. Hoping to see one of the games live :crossedf:



Agree with your squad, just would re-shuffle the line up, oh and add Rohit over Rahane. Gauti and Viru openers, Kohli at 3, then SRT then Rohit, Pujara and Dhoni.

Tbh, FC averages don't mean as much, when the players will no longer be facing FC bowlers.


Then after England we got Australia. Hopefully we can win all the series :wink:

Yeah the series will hopefully be a good one between England and SA. Also will be able to watch the India vs Sri Lanka series in the summer which should also be good :smile:
Original post by shyamshah
Then after England we got Australia. Hopefully we can win all the series :wink:

Yeah the series will hopefully be a good one between England and SA. Also will be able to watch the India vs Sri Lanka series in the summer which should also be good :smile:


:crossedf: It would be great to beat England good and proper, but I don't think England will fold anywhere near as easy compared to India last summer *shudders at the memories* :laugh:

Aren't Eng playing Aus in the next couple of weeks as well?

Not only do we have the tests, got the T20 WC :party:
Original post by ♥ ♥
:crossedf: It would be great to beat England good and proper, but I don't think England will fold anywhere near as easy compared to India last summer *shudders at the memories* :laugh:

Aren't Eng playing Aus in the next couple of weeks as well?

Not only do we have the tests, got the T20 WC :party:


Yeah Aus are coming to England for 5 or 7 ODIs. We have been a dissapointment in T20I recently and hopefully we can rectify that.
I don't expect India to beat England 4-0 but we should at least win the series comfortably.
Original post by shyamshah
Yeah Aus are coming to England for 5 or 7 ODIs. We have been a dissapointment in T20I recently and hopefully we can rectify that.
I don't expect India to beat England 4-0 but we should at least win the series comfortably.


Cool. I know, we're 7th or something in the rankings :facepalm:

Definitely. I will take 2-1 or 3-1 :L Or even 2-0 or something. So long as we're clearly the better side :laugh:
Original post by ♥ ♥
Cool. I know, we're 7th or something in the rankings :facepalm:

Definitely. I will take 2-1 or 3-1 :L Or even 2-0 or something. So long as we're clearly the better side :laugh:


Yeah, but as the WC is in Sri Lanka we should have a fairly good chance of getting far in the tournament :smile:

Yeah same, we need to get the line up correct though and with our selectors there is a chance they will mess something up.
Original post by shyamshah
Yeah, but as the WC is in Sri Lanka we should have a fairly good chance of getting far in the tournament :smile:

Yeah same, we need to get the line up correct though and with our selectors there is a chance they will mess something up.


I know. Hopefully teams like England will be done in by the conditions :L

Either way, we need our T20 squad to be filled with our young guys, who are t20 specialists :yes:

Urgh, our selectors are the biggest fools ever. :mad:
Original post by ♥ ♥
I know. Hopefully teams like England will be done in by the conditions :L

Either way, we need our T20 squad to be filled with our young guys, who are t20 specialists :yes:

Urgh, our selectors are the biggest fools ever. :mad:


Yeah, it should be full of youngsters and hopefully they can perform well and not dissapoint all the fans :smile:
Yeah I hate our selectors but hopefully they can pick the right team for once :wink:
Original post by shyamshah
Yeah, it should be full of youngsters and hopefully they can perform well and not dissapoint all the fans :smile:
Yeah I hate our selectors but hopefully they can pick the right team for once :wink:


Yeah, should be:

Gauti
Rahane/Sehwag
Kohli
Rohit
Raina
Dhoni
Jadeja
Ashwin
PK
Aaron/Umesh
Maybe Zak?
Original post by ♥ ♥
Yeah, should be:

Gauti
Rahane/Sehwag
Kohli
Rohit
Raina
Dhoni
Jadeja
Ashwin
PK
Aaron/Umesh
Maybe Zak?


Yeah, that team looks good, Zaheer will probably play so Aaron will probably miss out. It's a tough one between Rahane and Sehwag, not sure who I would pick actually, Iwould probably still go with Sehwag because in SL he can be very dangerous. The middle order looks very strong too :wink:
Original post by shyamshah
Yeah, that team looks good, Zaheer will probably play so Aaron will probably miss out. It's a tough one between Rahane and Sehwag, not sure who I would pick actually, Iwould probably still go with Sehwag because in SL he can be very dangerous. The middle order looks very strong too :wink:


Yup, providing Zak is fit (considering he's constantly getting injured or isn't fully fit).

Viru and Gauti opening is also a classic opening pair. They conpliment each other well, so yeah, maybe Rahane will miss out?

Yeah, Kohli can't really play lower than 3 'cos he just doesn't have the ability to accelerate, and needs time to play himself in. Then you have Rohit to help and keep the score ticking. Then with Raina and Dhoni to do the 'slog' hitting in the last 5-7 overs. Jadeja and Ashwin give a good hand too. Yeah, not too bad at all :yes:
Original post by ♥ ♥
Yup, providing Zak is fit (considering he's constantly getting injured or isn't fully fit).

Viru and Gauti opening is also a classic opening pair. They conpliment each other well, so yeah, maybe Rahane will miss out?

Yeah, Kohli can't really play lower than 3 'cos he just doesn't have the ability to accelerate, and needs time to play himself in. Then you have Rohit to help and keep the score ticking. Then with Raina and Dhoni to do the 'slog' hitting in the last 5-7 overs. Jadeja and Ashwin give a good hand too. Yeah, not too bad at all :yes:


Yeah, but I think if Zaheer isn't feeling 100% we shouldn't risk him because of the England and Australia series coming up after the WC. We have other bowlers to come in and hopefully perform.
I think Rahane will have to miss out, because I can't see him slotting in anywhere in the middle order at all. I think Kohli will play the best at 3, because he can adapt to all situations. If Sehwag and Gauti get off to a great start he can come in and maybe play himslef in for a few overs and then launch. They key will be how the openers perform though.
Original post by shyamshah
Yeah, but I think if Zaheer isn't feeling 100% we shouldn't risk him because of the England and Australia series coming up after the WC. We have other bowlers to come in and hopefully perform.
I think Rahane will have to miss out, because I can't see him slotting in anywhere in the middle order at all. I think Kohli will play the best at 3, because he can adapt to all situations. If Sehwag and Gauti get off to a great start he can come in and maybe play himslef in for a few overs and then launch. They key will be how the openers perform though.


Agreed, Zak should get match fit for the tests instead.
Yadav and Aaron looking good.

If Gauti and Viru were to bat out say, 12-13 overs, I wouldn't really both bringing in Virat, and instead, bring in Raina/Dhoni to try and completely accelerate. If it were something like 7-8 overs in, then yeah, Kohli will have enough time. If you see him in the IPL, all his big scores came when he played 'second-fiddle' to Gayle.
Original post by ♥ ♥
Agreed, Zak should get match fit for the tests instead.
Yadav and Aaron looking good.

If Gauti and Viru were to bat out say, 12-13 overs, I wouldn't really both bringing in Virat, and instead, bring in Raina/Dhoni to try and completely accelerate. If it were something like 7-8 overs in, then yeah, Kohli will have enough time. If you see him in the IPL, all his big scores came when he played 'second-fiddle' to Gayle.


Yeah, that is a good point, he had a poor IPL season though didn't he? Yeah, but when he gets settled in, he is as good as anyone at hitting sixes etc. Did you watch him in Australia when he scored a century chasing 320 against Sri Lanka in 40 overs and he smashed Malinga for 6 fours in an over? He got himself in and then launched.
Original post by Frankster
HAHAHAHA YOU'RE SOOO HILARIOUS!!!...:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:



...uh no :rolleyes:. Just 'cos Pak beat Eng in UAE doesn't make it a good team because 1). Eng are always **** against spin 2). they played you before the ODI series by which time they were spanking your ****.
We will beat England just like we thrashed them 5-0 in the ODIs in India last year and had there been a test series we would have mullered them too. Who's their second best spinner? Swann isn't enough especially with MS Dhoni "helicopter-shotting" against him the last time I saw Dhoni v Swann. India has a pack load of spinners and some delightful pacemen coming too. By the looks of it, India has a brighter future than Pakistan :wink:


What? By the looks of what? Was gonna do a long reply, but I think I can just laugh this off to be honest, haha.

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