B412 - Railways Bill 2012
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Re: B412 - Railways Bill 2012
Some things I do like,Removal of competition clauses and new stock.
Longer Franchises, 15 years. The Inter-City West Coast and Greater Western Franchises are for 15 years.
Veritical Integration, both operations and Infrastructure under a Company. South West Trains and Network Rail have formed an agreement recently as a pilot project. Rail Magazine, 688
Brace yourself for demands of Renationalisation.
Regarding rail fares, they are linked to RPI +1 and should be kept at this rate.Last edited by Morgsie; 14-02-2012 at 21:42. -
Re: B412 - Railways Bill 2012The Great Repeal Act did repealed the Nationalisation of the Railways Act(Original post by MacCuishy)
Won't you have to repeal the Nationalisation of Railways Act? -
Re: B412 - Railways Bill 2012Okayz(Original post by Morgsie)
The Great Repeal Act did repealed the Nationalisation of the Railways Act -
Re: B412 - Railways Bill 2012At the moment we have RPI+3% but twice per year which if we take inflation to be 5% means that fares go up by 16% on average.(Original post by barnetlad)
RPI+5% per year would be politically unpopular.
RPI+5% capped at 10% only once per year protects the consumer during times of high inflation. -
Re: B412 - Railways Bill 2012RPI+1%, Autumn Statement 2011(Original post by Rakas21)
At the moment we have RPI+3% but twice per year which if we take inflation to be 5% means that fares go up by 16% on average.
RPI+5% capped at 10% only once per year protects the consumer during times of high inflation.
Did not filter through the system before January fare hike -
Re: B412 - Railways Bill 2012Thanks.(Original post by Morgsie)
Some things I do like,Removal of competition clauses and new stock.
Longer Franchises, 15 years
Veritical Integration, both operations and Infrastructure. South West Trains and Network Rail have formed an agreement recently as a pilot project.
Brace yourself for demands of Renationalisation.
Regarding rail fares, they are linked to RPI +1 and should be kept at this rate.
The idea behind six years was to give train operators a chance to recoup the cost of the franchise while at the same time encouraging competition. Long franchises invariably cost more which limits the number of train operators who could buy said franchises so that we do not end up with First and Virgin having an essential monopoly.
Will have a look into that.
Nationalization solves none of the fundamental miss-management problems and if anything amplifies the problems i have highlighted.
Did the coalition not increase them to RPI+3% (and this is twice per year). I believe the December RPI+1% was just a one time let off which we cannot really count on in the TSR realm. -
Re: B412 - Railways Bill 2012You forgot Stagecoach aswell.(Original post by Rakas21)
Thanks.
The idea behind six years was to give train operators a chance to recoup the cost of the franchise while at the same time encouraging competition. Long franchises invariably cost more which limits the number of train operators who could buy said franchises so that we do not end up with First and Virgin having an essential monopoly.
Will have a look into that.
Nationalization solves none of the fundamental miss-management problems and if anything amplifies the problems i have highlighted.
Did the coalition not increase them to RPI+3% (and this is twice per year). I believe the December RPI+1% was just a one time let off which we cannot really count on in the TSR realm.
George Osbourne:
From the Autumn StatementTrain fares are expensive – and they’re set to go up well above inflation to pay for the much needed investment in new rail and new trains.
But RPI plus 3% is too much.
The Government will fund a reduction in the increase to RPI plus 1%.
This will apply across National Rail regulated fares, across the London Tube and on London Buses.
It will help the millions of people who use our trains.Last edited by Morgsie; 14-02-2012 at 21:50. -
Re: B412 - Railways Bill 2012From who? you(Original post by Morgsie)
Brace yourself for demands of Renationalisation.
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Re: B412 - Railways Bill 2012That does not mean in this case that we cannot generate competition.(Original post by Stricof)
Removal of barriers to entry? But the railway industry operates on a natural monopoly.
While it is true that the state must essentially own most infrastructure and invest in new railways and trains, allowing private sector railway operators to run services after paying an access fee to the DFT means that we have extra capacity where it is needed (the private sector will only want services on the busiest lines), gives more choice to the consumer (why get on a rust bucket when you can get on a brand new train) and also means that there will be a greater amount of offers available to the consumer in terms of price.
In this case all the natural monopoly means is that we cannot allow the private sector to have full control. -
Re: B412 - Railways Bill 2012I saw it was Labour (before you edited it)... oh why Labour do you have to be such PITA's!!! Privatisation is the way forward for everything this is not Europe... you cannot have anything like (my beloved) France or Germany!(Original post by Morgsie)
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Re: B412 - Railways Bill 2012
Increased competition will certainly help the current system, though I don't think that the Act does enough to ensure this competition - what guarantee is there against price-setting cartels etc? I also object to
These franchises should only be allowed to purchase additional carriages/locomotives through the Department for Transport. Decisions regarding such appropriations can have a major effect on the British economy, and as such it is in the national interest that they have to be made. For example, if franchises choose to purchase from a foreign company instead of a British one on the basis of cost, then jobs and key skills could be lost permanently in the UK. I refer you to the recent drama involving Bombardier and Siemens.(Original post by Metrobeans)
4. Greater freedom for rail operators
(a) Rail operators would be given greater freedom to purchase new trains/carriages outright provided they meet a standard set by the governmentLast edited by JPKC; 14-02-2012 at 23:07. -
Re: B412 - Railways Bill 2012There is also a competition process for rolling stock. This is is the current system.(Original post by JPKC)
Increased competition will certainly help the current system, though I don't think that the Act does enough to ensure this competition - what guarantee is there against price-setting cartels etc? I also object to
These franchises should only be allowed to purchase additional carriages/locomotives through the Department for Transport. Decisions regarding such appropriations can have a major effect on the British economy, and as such it is in the national interest that they have to be made. For example, if franchises choose to purchase from a foreign company instead of a British one on the basis of cost, then jobs and key skills could be lost permanently in the UK. I refer you to the recent drama involving Bombardier and Siemens.
There should be some DfT involvement/oversight.Last edited by Morgsie; 14-02-2012 at 22:04. -
Re: B412 - Railways Bill 2012Current regulation limits the level of average price increases on each franchise. While there is a danger that an open access rail operator could decide to charge stupid amounts, this would be counter-productive given that passengers could continue to use the franchised rail operator. The more likely scenario is that open access rail operators would charge around the same amount as the franchisee.(Original post by JPKC)
Increased competition will certainly help the current system, though I don't think that the Act does enough to ensure this competition - what guarantee is there against price-setting cartels etc? I also object to
These franchises should only be allowed to purchase additional carriages/locomotives through the Department for Transport. Decisions regarding such appropriations can have a major effect on the British economy, and as such it is in the national interest that they have to be made. For example, if franchises choose to purchase from a foreign company instead of a British one on the basis of cost, then jobs and key skills could be lost permanently in the UK. I refer you to the recent drama involving Bombardier and Siemens.
When you say through the DFT do you mean that the DFT buys them as current which causes long delays in getting new stock or do you simply mean that the company can pay out of their own pocket as i propose but just has to have the DFT order it?