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France appreciates the gesture is little more than symbolic, it is only 30% of the money that the PA receives from Israel. However, when Hamas have said that they will recognise Israels right to exist (and thus end the terror campaign) in return for a complete return of the West Bank (ie a return to the 1967 borders, and what was offered in 1998 (?) ) France fails to see how Israel's gesture can be considered constructive.
Israel must remember that Hamas were democratically elected, and given this legitimacy, must be dealt with accordingly.
Israel must remember that Hamas were democratically elected, and given this legitimacy, must be dealt with accordingly.
Carl
However, when Hamas have said that they will recognise Israels right to exist (and thus end the terror campaign) in return for a complete return of the West Bank (ie a return to the 1967 borders, and what was offered in 1998 (?) ) France fails to see how Israel's gesture can be considered constructive.
Israel must remember that Hamas were democratically elected, and given this legitimacy, must be dealt with accordingly.
Israel must remember that Hamas were democratically elected, and given this legitimacy, must be dealt with accordingly.
Serbia agrees. A simple withdrawal from all of the occupied territories would be sufficient to end the violence.
Micronesia wonders about the absurd notions being put forward by a number of delegates. Micronesia notes that there was terrorist violence against Israel BEFORE they held the territories and that due to the nature of the Hamas Charter (i.e. the complete destruction of Israel) there will presumably be terrorist violence against Israel AFTER any handover. In addition, the palestinians rejected, out of hand, the most generous Israeli offer ever made in 2000, with no counter-offer. So, to say that the violence could be ended by Israel simply surrendering wholesale to terrorism is unrealistic and dangerously ridiculous.
JonathanH
Micronesia wonders about the absurd notions being put forward by a number of delegates. Micronesia notes that there was terrorist violence against Israel BEFORE they held the territories and that due to the nature of the Hamas Charter (i.e. the complete destruction of Israel) there will presumably be terrorist violence against Israel AFTER any handover. In addition, the palestinians rejected, out of hand, the most generous Israeli offer ever made in 2000, with no counter-offer. So, to say that the violence could be ended by Israel simply surrendering wholesale to terrorism is unrealistic and dangerously ridiculous.
I read in Wednesday's Independent that Hamas, after being elected, offered to recognise Israel and end hostilities in return for the West Bank in a deal similar to that offered in 2000.
Firstly, that's the Independent, so the accuracy is automatically in question.
Secondly, various Hamas leaders keep vowing they will never recognise Israel and will carry on fighting as can be witnessed in dozens of recent news articles.
Thirdly, attempted terrorism has stepped UP in recent weeks, since the Hamas victory.
Fourthly, Hamas just appointed a known terrorist as PM-designate, a man so up to his elbows in Israeli blood that he narrowly escaped an Israeli assassination attempt a few years ago.
Fifthly, the Hamas Charter still explicitly states that the destruction of Israel is the ultimate objective.
Sixthly, even if they did make such an offer in seriousness (which Micronesia finds hard to believe) is there any evidence they would stick to the provisions of a deal?
Micronesia notes with deep disappointment that the UN has once again sunk in to open anti-Israelism, demanding ridiculous things from Israel that would not reasonably be expected of any other country on the planet. No other country would be expected to hand over money to a government committed to its destruction with the likelihood that some of that money would be used for that purpose. It's an absurd and obscene demand, but some nations seem to think that as its Israel, they should be condemned for not giving in to it.
Israel HAS agreed to maintain humanitarian aid and that is really all that can reasonably be expected of them.
Micronesis notes the recent comments of the Australian ambassador to the UN, who after 4 and a half years in the job has expressed his utter disappointment with the organisation and declared that the GA, at the heart of the UN, is 'rotten' and the whole organisation is becoming so. Micronesia can see no greater demonstration of the truth of that statement than the comments that lie in this deplorable topic.
Secondly, various Hamas leaders keep vowing they will never recognise Israel and will carry on fighting as can be witnessed in dozens of recent news articles.
Thirdly, attempted terrorism has stepped UP in recent weeks, since the Hamas victory.
Fourthly, Hamas just appointed a known terrorist as PM-designate, a man so up to his elbows in Israeli blood that he narrowly escaped an Israeli assassination attempt a few years ago.
Fifthly, the Hamas Charter still explicitly states that the destruction of Israel is the ultimate objective.
Sixthly, even if they did make such an offer in seriousness (which Micronesia finds hard to believe) is there any evidence they would stick to the provisions of a deal?
Micronesia notes with deep disappointment that the UN has once again sunk in to open anti-Israelism, demanding ridiculous things from Israel that would not reasonably be expected of any other country on the planet. No other country would be expected to hand over money to a government committed to its destruction with the likelihood that some of that money would be used for that purpose. It's an absurd and obscene demand, but some nations seem to think that as its Israel, they should be condemned for not giving in to it.
Israel HAS agreed to maintain humanitarian aid and that is really all that can reasonably be expected of them.
Micronesis notes the recent comments of the Australian ambassador to the UN, who after 4 and a half years in the job has expressed his utter disappointment with the organisation and declared that the GA, at the heart of the UN, is 'rotten' and the whole organisation is becoming so. Micronesia can see no greater demonstration of the truth of that statement than the comments that lie in this deplorable topic.
Carl
I read in Wednesday's Independent that Hamas, after being elected, offered to recognise Israel and end hostilities in return for the West Bank in a deal similar to that offered in 2000.
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lets please not turn this into an israel/palestinians discussion... I dont think this is a particularly good thread - hardly a matter for the UN
Doesn't the boycot of Israel by many countries affect its money flow and the stability of the region? Yes, it quite clearly does.
And what 'state' is having its money flow suspended, exactly? I don't see any voting-member or State known as 'palestine', do you? Or are we back to the default anti-Israeli position of 'making **** up'?
This topic and the views expressed in it are absurd. You don't ask the US to pour money in to Al-Qaeda, the UK to pour money in to the IRA, Spain to pour money in to ETA, but you're all happy to DEMAND that Israel pour money in to Hamas. What a pathetically sad world we live in, made worse by the joke that is the UN GA.
Micronesia is ashamed to be a part of such a decrepit, morally-bankrupt, backwards and quite frankly, racist assembly.
And what 'state' is having its money flow suspended, exactly? I don't see any voting-member or State known as 'palestine', do you? Or are we back to the default anti-Israeli position of 'making **** up'?
This topic and the views expressed in it are absurd. You don't ask the US to pour money in to Al-Qaeda, the UK to pour money in to the IRA, Spain to pour money in to ETA, but you're all happy to DEMAND that Israel pour money in to Hamas. What a pathetically sad world we live in, made worse by the joke that is the UN GA.
Micronesia is ashamed to be a part of such a decrepit, morally-bankrupt, backwards and quite frankly, racist assembly.
Israel receives billions of US aid (largely military) annually and has the largest economy in the region, although thanks to poor management, it is on the rocks in recent times:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/U.S._Assistance_to_Israel1.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2867619.stm
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/U.S._Assistance_to_Israel1.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2867619.stm
'poor management'. Funny that, seeing the article is THREE YEARS OLD and also quite clearly states 'the 30-month-long Palestinian uprising against Israeli occupation and the global economic slowdown have plunged Israel into its third year of recession.' Any chance to have a dig though, right? Pathetic.
And what relevance is Israeli military aid from the US to the topic at hand? The Marshall Islands sees none at all. The Marshall Islands commends the delegates of Israel and Micronesia for their brave fight against ignorance, lies and obscene and deplorable demands.
Not to mention the fact that in 57 years the US has given to Israel the same amount as one-quarter of their military budget for a single year. And considering that Israel has always remained a staunch and useful American ally in an unstable region, that seems like a good investment. Not that the way the US spends its money is ANY business of the UN.
And what relevance is Israeli military aid from the US to the topic at hand? The Marshall Islands sees none at all. The Marshall Islands commends the delegates of Israel and Micronesia for their brave fight against ignorance, lies and obscene and deplorable demands.
Not to mention the fact that in 57 years the US has given to Israel the same amount as one-quarter of their military budget for a single year. And considering that Israel has always remained a staunch and useful American ally in an unstable region, that seems like a good investment. Not that the way the US spends its money is ANY business of the UN.
sr4470
Israel receives billions of US aid (largely military) annually and has the largest economy in the region, although thanks to poor management, it is on the rocks in recent times:
The US believes in Israel's right to exist. Aid provided to Israel is as unique as the 30 years of war and terrorism they have suffered.
Doesn't the boycot of Israel by many countries affect its money flow and the stability of the region? Yes, it quite clearly does.
And what 'state' is having its money flow suspended, exactly? I don't see any voting-member or State known as 'palestine', do you? Or are we back to the default anti-Israeli position of 'making **** up'?
This topic and the views expressed in it are absurd. You don't ask the US to pour money in to Al-Qaeda, the UK to pour money in to the IRA, Spain to pour money in to ETA, but you're all happy to DEMAND that Israel pour money in to Hamas. What a pathetically sad world we live in, made worse by the joke that is the UN GA.
Micronesia is ashamed to be a part of such a decrepit, morally-bankrupt, backwards and quite frankly, racist assembly.
And what 'state' is having its money flow suspended, exactly? I don't see any voting-member or State known as 'palestine', do you? Or are we back to the default anti-Israeli position of 'making **** up'?
This topic and the views expressed in it are absurd. You don't ask the US to pour money in to Al-Qaeda, the UK to pour money in to the IRA, Spain to pour money in to ETA, but you're all happy to DEMAND that Israel pour money in to Hamas. What a pathetically sad world we live in, made worse by the joke that is the UN GA.
Micronesia is ashamed to be a part of such a decrepit, morally-bankrupt, backwards and quite frankly, racist assembly.
The difference between a boycott and a 'money-flow freeze' is quite colossal. Most boycotts on Israel were made by individual customer preference. Only a few countries have officially stated that they shall not trade with Israel . As in any free market, the consumers make the descicion on whether or not to buy a product. Some do buy products from Israel, while others do not. Money still flows into Israel from (a) supportive funding from certain countries, (b) trading. What Israel has done is: it has imposed a ban, preventing the Palestinian government from obtaining $50 million (taxes) that rightfully belong to the Palestinians under the the 1994 economic accord made with Israel. This move destabilizes a fairly elected government and this concerns the UN.
We do not ask Israel to 'pour money into Palestine', but instead to give them their money.
Germany also would like to remind Micronesia that calling the UN GA a decrepit, morally-bankrupt, backwards racist assembly does not improve Micronesia's argument, instead it only weakens it.
It requests that Micronesia kindly refrain from such diatribe in the future.
Blah blah blah, we could argue about the relative effects of a money-freeze and a boycot for hours, the fact remains that money still flows to the PA from (exactly as you said) (a) supportive funding from certain countries, (b) trading. So your argument on that ground is rather silly.
Furthermore, you ask Israel to financially support a government who is committed to its destruction. Has Germany advanced not a jot in 61 years? It appears not.
Micronesia will hold whatever view it wants of the GA, and fails to see how that strengthens or weakens its argument, unless the opposition is desperate to discredit it in any way. Micronesia will say whatever it desires.
Furthermore, why is Germany, a member of the EU, which proscribes Hamas as a terrorist organisation, arguing so vehemently for Israel to fund this terrorist group which is dedicated to its destruction? Does Germany now no longer consider Hamas a terrorist group or does it now oppose the existence of Israel? Or are we seeing a little bit of personal views influencing the position? Micronesia reminds the delegate to stay in character.
Furthermore, you ask Israel to financially support a government who is committed to its destruction. Has Germany advanced not a jot in 61 years? It appears not.
Micronesia will hold whatever view it wants of the GA, and fails to see how that strengthens or weakens its argument, unless the opposition is desperate to discredit it in any way. Micronesia will say whatever it desires.
Furthermore, why is Germany, a member of the EU, which proscribes Hamas as a terrorist organisation, arguing so vehemently for Israel to fund this terrorist group which is dedicated to its destruction? Does Germany now no longer consider Hamas a terrorist group or does it now oppose the existence of Israel? Or are we seeing a little bit of personal views influencing the position? Micronesia reminds the delegate to stay in character.
Blah blah blah, we could argue about the relative effects of a money-freeze and a boycot for hours, the fact remains that money still flows to the PA from (exactly as you said) (a) supportive funding from certain countries, (b) trading. So your argument on that ground is rather silly.
Furthermore, you ask Israel to financially support a government who is committed to its destruction. Has Germany advanced not a jot in 61 years? It appears not.
Micronesia will hold whatever view it wants of the GA, and fails to see how that strengthens or weakens its argument, unless the opposition is desperate to discredit it in any way. Micronesia will say whatever it desires.
Furthermore, why is Germany, a member of the EU, which proscribes Hamas as a terrorist organisation, arguing so vehemently for Israel to fund this terrorist group which is dedicated to its destruction? Does Germany now no longer consider Hamas a terrorist group or does it now oppose the existence of Israel? Or are we seeing a little bit of personal views influencing the position? Micronesia reminds the delegate to stay in character.
Furthermore, you ask Israel to financially support a government who is committed to its destruction. Has Germany advanced not a jot in 61 years? It appears not.
Micronesia will hold whatever view it wants of the GA, and fails to see how that strengthens or weakens its argument, unless the opposition is desperate to discredit it in any way. Micronesia will say whatever it desires.
Furthermore, why is Germany, a member of the EU, which proscribes Hamas as a terrorist organisation, arguing so vehemently for Israel to fund this terrorist group which is dedicated to its destruction? Does Germany now no longer consider Hamas a terrorist group or does it now oppose the existence of Israel? Or are we seeing a little bit of personal views influencing the position? Micronesia reminds the delegate to stay in character.
Germany would like to reiterate the fact that Micronesia ignored in its comment: Germany does not want Irsael to fund the new Palestinian Govt., instead it wants Israel to give the PA govt. the money rightfully belonging to the Palestinians under the 1994 economic accord.
As to political stance, Germany, as both a member of the EU and UN, supports the existence of Israel. It wants Israel to give the Palestinians their money so that they can pay their employees. Also, around 46% of Palestinians are under the poverty line. Germany has worked assidiously with other UN & EU members to help stabilize the Israeli-Palestinian situation. If the Palestinians do not recieve their money, 140,000 employees cannot be paid and this Germany believes leads to economic unstability that can easily lead to a coup and civil war. Germany and other countries will not stand in the sidelines, watching their work being undone.
I, the German Representative, believe that I very accurately portray Germany's political stance. I would like to remind the Mirconesian Representative not to assume that everyone is prejudiced against Israel. As the German Representative, I have often spoken out against Palestian actions, when Germany views them as being wrong.
France and Germany are not supporting terrorism or terrorists. Like it or not, Hamas were democratically elected and to pull their funding frankly smacks of double standards, especially from the US, who are "trying to extend democracy in the Middle East". Just because democracy doesn't give the results you wish for does not mean you can suddenly go back on those democratic principals. Or are the Palestinians not good enough for democracy yet?
To continue funding the PA is an endorsement of the PA itself as a democratic organisation which itself is trying to bring about peace. This will not occur whilst Israel and US refuse to act and engage constructively with the PA.
To continue funding the PA is an endorsement of the PA itself as a democratic organisation which itself is trying to bring about peace. This will not occur whilst Israel and US refuse to act and engage constructively with the PA.
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