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Is David Cameron the worst PM ever?

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    Brown / Blair
    Then Callaghan as worst PM's ever.

    All have handed over disasters to the following governments.

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    And for accuracy let's not forget Chamberlain!
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    Cameron is an issue because of the dynamics of coalition.

    Worst PM ever. Blair. Artificial when speaking, his body language and mannerisms were like a programmed robot. Every time I saw him speak I wanted to put a brick through my TV.

    But most of all he wanted his Falklands, he wanted his battle of Britain, he wanted to be a world statesman, if you watch the coverage from the time, it is absolutely obvious he had made his mind up to go to war and then just went around various approaches to justify it. My sincere sympathies to any family that has lost a loved one in the armed forces to satisfy this mans ego and ambition for a place in history.

    Brown...........I want to be PM, its my turn now. Like a kid. The awesome U turn on going to the country was side splitting to watch, or more accurately his excuses for deciding not to.

    Callaghan.....just useless.....but he didn't get anyone killed to satisfy his own ego, so he cannot be the worst, despite the IMF debacle.

    Heath............erhmmmm.......w hat did he do......I know there were lots of power cuts.......but as we were on the same line as the hospital, we never actually had any


    Chamberlain, and Major fall into the category of meaning well but just not cutting it.
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    (Original post by Mysteries)
    A lot of my fellow lefties would argue that Thatcher would be a more appropriate recipient of this title. However, I disagree. At least Thatcher stood for something. She had principles. Even Hitler and Stalin had principles. David Cameron has no principles. He is an empty vacuous suit with no ideas of his own or convictions of any kind. He is by far the most sycophantic, shapeshifting politician I've ever seen and that's saying a lot. He's been caught lying and changing his story on virtually every single topic he's discussed from economics, to healthcare, to social issues, to foreign policy, etc... Even his own party have criticized him for this.

    David Cameron has dedicated his life to wealth and power; to make the rich richer by stealing from the poor. He is a complete corporate tool. Almost every single policy he's implemented has been for the benefit of the rich and the corporations and to the detriment of the poor and the middle class.

    Verdict: Worst PM EVER!

    Discuss.
    Cutting the amount stolen from the rich to give to the poor is not stealing from the poor.
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    (Original post by Mysteries)
    Where to begin? I mean just pick a category!

    Am I going to list every single example of where DC has lied and flip-flopped?

    Here are a couple of examples of the top of my head:

    DC ran for office under the slogan "I'll cut the deficit, not the NHS." Now his and George Osbourne's bill is the biggest shake-up the NHS since it's creation.

    Example #2: In 2009 DC told us concerning VAT: “It hits the *poorest hardest. It does – *I *absolutely promise you [that I will not increase the VAT].” We all know what happened next...

    I can go one for hours but I don't have all night. Don't take my word for it though. Do your OWN research. Stop believing what the media tells you about this crook.
    Prime Ministers never ever change their policies when they are elected do they?
    Remember Blair's famous pledge never to introduce tuition fees?
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    (Original post by Mysteries)
    Oh and another thing: The British empire committed FAR worse atrocities than the holocaust. We killed and enslaved WAAAAAAY more people. The Nazis were ****ing amateurs compared to us.
    COOL BEANS BRAH.

    No seriously shut up now. If you're going to go all guilty-white on us your argument will lose all credibility. You are aware of course that war, destruction, famine and slavery permeate the history of virtually every country yes? I don't see many people holding a grudge against Italy when they thought it would be fun to take over Europe. What about the Mongolians? The Persians? Normans? Greeks? Jesus christ, you act like we are the only ones who invented this concept. If one follows the doctrine of deterministic morality, what the Brits did during the days of the empire in regards to slavery was, for the large part, morally abidable by the standards of the time.

    Furthermore, you are aware that it was the peoples own tribes that sold them into slavery for the British (to be shipped off to the new world)? The people we enslaved were for the large part, sold down the toilet by their own kinsmen, we are not the only guilty party in this matter either.
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    Is this because David Cameron has stopped your EMA? :cry:

    My only criticism of Cameron is who his Deputy PM is, but hey ho.

    I actually quite like Cameron, he's not quite Thatcher, but he's not a disaster like Tony Blair or Gordon Brown.

    Oh please, the Conservatives do not "steal from the poor" or "make the poor poorer", stop listening to the lies an anti-Conservative must have told you. If anything, the left do a better job at worsening the poor position.
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    (Original post by Mysteries)
    A lot of my fellow lefties would argue that Thatcher would be a more appropriate recipient of this title. However, I disagree. At least Thatcher stood for something. She had principles. Even Hitler and Stalin had principles. David Cameron has no principles. He is an empty vacuous suit with no ideas of his own or convictions of any kind. He is by far the most sycophantic, shapeshifting politician I've ever seen and that's saying a lot. He's been caught lying and changing his story on virtually every single topic he's discussed from economics, to healthcare, to social issues, to foreign policy, etc... Even his own party have criticized him for this.

    David Cameron has dedicated his life to wealth and power; to make the rich richer by stealing from the poor. He is a complete corporate tool. Almost every single policy he's implemented has been for the benefit of the rich and the corporations and to the detriment of the poor and the middle class.

    Verdict: Worst PM EVER!

    Discuss.
    "rich richer by stealing from the poor - that is LABOUR!"

    Labour get in to power by "buying votes" with unsustainable non-jobs and easy credit, they massage unemployment figures by creating pointless courses that kids do - leaving a skills gap that needs to be filled through immigration.

    The people who benefit are the banks who enjoy lax de-regulation and can give out more home-loans that must be underwritten by the government one way or the other (effectively turning banking into a state-underwritten public sector funded monopoly - just like healthcare and teaching). The other group who benefit are the Labour MP's.

    Meanwhile the poor/middle classes are faced with ridiculous house prices and are in jobs that are completely reliant on the government borrowing billions which do not bring any money into the UK.

    "socialist" Tony Blair has his management consultancies registered in Cayman tax shelters, sits on the board at Goldman Sachs and we still pay him about £200k a year and provide him with a free police escort - despite huge cuts in the police force.

    The conservatives always get voted in begrudgingly to clear up the mess and cut all the non-jobs and increase regulation , you know - like when you phone your parents because you are so drunk at a party you need picking up...

    As for Cameron - its a coalition, effectively minority Conservattive rule - its hard to push things through parliament easily.

    His "foil" Ed Silliband uses any opportunity to brainwash the young or uneducated with the same left-wing drivel painting some fantasy about rich bankers "stealing" everyone's money - even though Labour knighted bankers, fuelled their bonuses and Tony Blair is practically one himself.
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    Lol Godwin's Law is fulfilled in the very first post... That speaks volumes doesn't it :rofl:


    I'd say Gordon Brown, but then again he wasn't technically a proper PM, he was just covering the remainder of TB's period in office and didn't get voted in..
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    Also you say you dislike Blair "based on the way he presented himself"? What kind of superficial bull**** argument is that? I dislike Blair myself but at least I can cite his policies not his appearance.

    And you don't care about Bush and Blair's policies? So I guess you don't care that over 100'000 innocent civilians were killed in Iraq alone because of their lies? (source: http://www.iraqbodycount.org/)

    Well that's the right-wing for you folks! Morally and ethically bankrupt and completely devoid of rationality.
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    (Original post by Diffusion)
    Couldn't agree more.
    Cameron is just a hypocrite - I love how he is this week attacking people who get drunk and cause violence/riots - hello, Bullingdon club anyone? Oh no, that's ok isn't it because it's a bunch of rich kids doing it. This man is a con artist - he worked in PR in his previous days. He's just there to serve his friends. Anyway, this video is brilliant:
    Whilst I'm not defending what must have happened during the events of the Bullingdon Club, you realise there's a difference between being disruptive behind closed doors and then being disruptive in public? I understand your point that it is a tad hypocritical, but that happened during his youth and people make mistakes. That's not to say that I think it's acceptable, just that I can see a slight difference!

    With regard to this week's mention of drunken behaviour, they are wasting NHS time. The NHS should be there to help a genuine case and save someone's life, but it shouldn't be there to help reckless behaviour that the taxpayer has to fund. That's why I believe those people should pay for their own treatment.
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    (Original post by Mysteries)
    Where to begin? I mean just pick a category!

    Am I going to list every single example of where DC has lied and flip-flopped?

    Here are a couple of examples of the top of my head:

    DC ran for office under the slogan "I'll cut the deficit, not the NHS." Now his and George Osbourne's bill is the biggest shake-up the NHS since it's creation.

    Example #2: In 2009 DC told us concerning VAT: “It hits the *poorest hardest. It does – *I *absolutely promise you [that I will not increase the VAT].” We all know what happened next...

    I can go one for hours but I don't have all night. Don't take my word for it though. Do your OWN research. Stop believing what the media tells you about this crook.
    David Cameron hasn't been the only PM to change his policies.

    Perhaps the severity of the deficit they inherited altered his view? You know, the deficit Labour contributed towards? :iiam:
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    (Original post by IB_19)
    Is this because David Cameron has stopped your EMA? :cry:
    Make fun if you want but the EMA helped a lot of people.
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    "rich richer by stealing from the poor - that is LABOUR!"

    Labour get in to power by "buying votes" with unsustainable non-jobs and easy credit, they massage unemployment figures by creating pointless courses that kids do - leaving a skills gap that needs to be filled through immigration.

    The people who benefit are the banks who enjoy lax de-regulation and can give out more home-loans that must be underwritten by the government one way or the other (effectively turning banking into a state-underwritten public sector funded monopoly - just like healthcare and teaching). The other group who benefit are the Labour MP's.

    Meanwhile the poor/middle classes are faced with ridiculous house prices and are in jobs that are completely reliant on the government borrowing billions which do not bring any money into the UK.

    "socialist" Tony Blair has his management consultancies registered in Cayman tax shelters, sits on the board at Goldman Sachs and we still pay him about £200k a year and provide him with a free police escort - despite huge cuts in the police force.

    The conservatives always get voted in begrudgingly to clear up the mess and cut all the non-jobs and increase regulation , you know - like when you phone your parents because you are so drunk at a party you need picking up...

    As for Cameron - its a coalition, effectively minority Conservattive rule - its hard to push things through parliament easily.

    His "foil" Ed Silliband uses any opportunity to brainwash the young or uneducated with the same left-wing drivel painting some fantasy about rich bankers "stealing" everyone's money - even though Labour knighted bankers, fuelled their bonuses and Tony Blair is practically one himself.
    Just for the record. I never said that Labour was great or anything. I think they're almost as bad as the tories. Albeit a bit more honest and being slightly more socially responsible.

    However, I must dispute your argument that Labour steals from the poor to give to the rich. As I've already stated it's the opposite that occurs. Everyone knows this.

    Labour borrowed recklessly in order to give to EVERYONE and keep everyone happy. Obviously this isn't sustainable and the conservitards' response was to cut back on benefits, raise the VAT, etc... All those things affect the POOR and the MIDDLE CLASS. Read my previous posts. Neither one would ever dream of taxing the rich. I wonder why that is...
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    (Original post by Mysteries)
    @mia, meenu, morgsie:

    How about backing up your claims with some arguments?
    Because that's clearly what you did....
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    (Original post by IB_19)
    David Cameron hasn't been the only PM to change his policies.

    Perhaps the severity of the deficit they inherited altered his view? You know, the deficit Labour contributed towards? :iiam:
    Are you attempting to justify D.Cameron changing his policies with "well other PMs did it".
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    He isn't a great PM, but he is far from the worst. We have to be realistic, he came into government when the public purse was in a horrid state and at a time when there is just so much mess everywhere that you can't blame him if he has to make some difficult decisions.

    Worst ones, hmmmmm I can't decide who but in recent times it would go to Gordon Brown aka the credit card man who thought there was no more boom and bust, except the country was going through one of the biggest booms (fueled by a housing bubble on debt) and then one of the worst ever bust. Not to mention his record as Chancellor wasn't particularly stellar either, selling off much of UK's gold reserves at rock bottom and worst yet he even announced in advance when he would do it......stupid ****ing ****ing idiot.

    John Major wasn't fantastic either.....the idiot that started massaging unemployment figures by moving the unemployed to be on Incapacity Benefit. This was the idiot that shouldn't have been PM especially considering how good his predecessor was.

    Other useless pricks that became PM :-

    Wilson and Callaghan, the bloody fools that ran Britain into the ground to the point of requiring an IMF bailout.

    Edward Heath, hopeless idiot that did nothing and instead came up with stupid policies like the 3 day work week.

    Eden & McMillan wasn't particularly great either especially on how they handled the Suez crisis and lost hold of much of the colonies in Asia.

    Atlee, for all the talk about him and the NHS, there wasn't really much else to shout about him.

    Chamberlin, a pre-war Gordon Brown, weak and lacked what it took to be PM.

    Lloyd George, nothing special about him and he could have done better with regard to Treaty of Versailles.
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    Because that's clearly what you did....
    Read my previous posts. You'll see that I linked to articles and facts to back up my claims.

    Note: I am the ONLY person to have done this. All my critics just talk out their arse and insult me with childish ad hominem attacks
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    (Original post by Besakt)
    Make fun if you want but the EMA helped a lot of people.
    I was partly joking; in sixth form when people criticse Cameron they reason that their EMA was stopped. I'm not denying that EMA must have helped *some* students, but those within my sixth form spent theirs on nights out, clothes, cinema and concert tickets, etc. Plus, they had a job on top of that. The reason why EMA was implemented has a hint in the title (educational) & did their grades improve and did they do well in their AS exams? No.

    I acknowledge that some students need the extra help & I am not against that, though it should be means tested and reaches those in desperate need. Also, I would argue that students taking courses such as Hairdressing level 2, etc. should not have received it. Whereas those with ambition to study at top universities are more deserving.

    All of this is slightly off topic though!
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    (Original post by Besakt)
    Are you attempting to justify D.Cameron changing his policies with "well other PMs did it".
    No. However, other PMs have done it so Cameron shouldn't be criticised completely when there are others who can be blamed as well.

    It was possibly due to underestimating the problems they are about to inherit. I don't really think it makes it acceptable though.
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    (Original post by Mysteries)
    A lot of my fellow lefties would argue that Thatcher would be a more appropriate recipient of this title. However, I disagree. At least Thatcher stood for something. She had principles. Even Hitler and Stalin had principles. David Cameron has no principles. He is an empty vacuous suit with no ideas of his own or convictions of any kind. He is by far the most sycophantic, shapeshifting politician I've ever seen and that's saying a lot. He's been caught lying and changing his story on virtually every single topic he's discussed from economics, to healthcare, to social issues, to foreign policy, etc... Even his own party have criticized him for this.

    David Cameron has dedicated his life to wealth and power; to make the rich richer by stealing from the poor. He is a complete corporate tool. Almost every single policy he's implemented has been for the benefit of the rich and the corporations and to the detriment of the poor and the middle class.

    Verdict: Worst PM EVER!

    Discuss.
    Clearly to arrive at your conclusion, you must have made a careful study of the performance of all British Prime Minsters. Where do you rank Addington, North and Bonar Law?

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