[GunnerBill]

Whitewashed India in the tests, they beat us in ODI.

Pakistan Whitewash us in the Tests we beat them in the ODI...

What is going on?

I'm looking for a common thread here

[martin jol]

matchfixing

[GunnerBill]

(Original post by martin jol)
matchfixing

[♥ ♥ ♥]

(Original post by GunnerBill)
Whitewashed India in the tests, they beat us in ODI.

Pakistan Whitewash us in the Tests we beat them in the ODI...

What is going on?

I'm looking for a common thread here

When you whitewashed India, England were playing at home. Eng had the advantage, India were clueless on how to play English conditions.

Then England came to India, and were clueless in contrasting Indian conditions. Hence whitewashed.

Pakistan whitewashed Eng as they had England once again in foreign conditions, and Pak have an extremely strong Test squad. Their bowlers are just too good.

However, Pak do not have the same ability in ODI's as their Test and ODI squad are very similar, and they have not learned to adjust the way they play from Tests to ODIs.

Think that sums it up...*breathes deep breath in*

[GunnerBill]

(Original post by ♥ ♥ ♥)
When you whitewashed India, England were playing at home. Eng had the advantage, India were clueless on how to play English conditions.

Then England came to India, and were clueless in contrasting Indian conditions. Hence whitewashed.

Pakistan whitewashed Eng as they had England once again in foreign conditions, and Pak have an extremely strong Test squad. Their bowlers are just too good.

However, Pak do not have the same ability in ODI's as their Test and ODI squad are very similar, and they have not learned to adjust the way they play from Tests to ODIs.

Think that sums it up...*breathes deep breath in*

You can't breath and type at the same time? lol

If there's ever a test world cup the choice of venue will be critical? Perhaps teams would prepare better in the host country before such a competition.

[♥ ♥ ♥]

(Original post by GunnerBill)
You can't breath and type at the same time? lol

If there's ever a test world cup the choice of venue will be critical? Perhaps teams would prepare better in the host country before such a competition.

Lol, just noticed that. Felt like I'd spoken my entire post, rather than typing it

To be honest, most nations right now know how to play at home, succeed, and then epically fail abroad. Like India, get white washed in England, then almost whitewash WI at home, and then get whitewashed in Aus

Same with England, they are fabulous at home, but fail in the subcontinent.

Yes, if it happened, all the teams would be at a disadvantage other than the host nation
Tricky stuff!

[Dandaman9999]

I believe England have to really strengthen their squad in sub-continental conditions... They have beaten Pakistan in the ODIs but that is because Pakistan have not really got as good a side in ODIs compared to test matches. I think England really need to practice in conditions like the sub-continent to improve their overall game significantly

[shyamshah]

England cant face quality spin bowling, thats the main problem and that was the reason why you got whitewashed against pakistan. I was sooo unhappy about Indias performance in england but you played much better cricket and your batting line up was in form.
Also you had over 2 months off before coming to the UAE to play pakistan so you were a bit rusty. Every team is weak away from home in world cricket at the moment, England go to Sri Lanka next which will be a test of if they have learnt from their mistakes against Pakistan in the test matches.

[py0alb]

(Original post by GunnerBill)
You can't breath and type at the same time? lol

If there's ever a test world cup the choice of venue will be critical? Perhaps teams would prepare better in the host country before such a competition.

There will never be a test world cup, but if and when there is a test championship final, it will have to be split over both finalist's home venues. So if it was England (1) vs Australia (2), it would be:

Lords, Trent Bridge, The Oval
MCG, WACA, SCG

etc etc

with the first team to 3 victories winning the series.

[pol pot noodles]

(Original post by ♥ ♥ ♥)
Lol, just noticed that. Felt like I'd spoken my entire post, rather than typing it

To be honest, most nations right now know how to play at home, succeed, and then epically fail abroad. Like India, get white washed in England, then almost whitewash WI at home, and then get whitewashed in Aus

Same with England, they are fabulous at home, but fail in the subcontinent.

Yes, if it happened, all the teams would be at a disadvantage other than the host nation
Tricky stuff!

But it's not like cricket is a new sport or teams are only just playing each other for the first time. There have been only ten test nations for ages (if Zimbabwe still is one) and they've all played against each other loads of times. Pietersen, Anderson, Bell and Strauss especially, being veterans of the squad, should know what England would be up against. And then you got the backroom staff as well. It's pathetic!

[♥ ♥ ♥]

(Original post by pol pot noodles)
But it's not like cricket is a new sport or teams are only just playing each other for the first time. There have been only ten test nations for ages (if Zimbabwe still is one) and they've all played against each other loads of times. Pietersen, Anderson, Bell and Strauss especially, being veterans of the squad, should know what England would be up against. And then you got the backroom staff as well. It's pathetic!

Yes, I agree they should know what they're up against, but think about it from another prospective.

All of the above have played majority of their cricket at home, or in Aus (Ashes), so they'll be used to, and will have adapted to the conditions of the two countries. How often in the last decade have Eng played in the subcontinent? How many games have the above mentioned players played away from home?

Its the exact same (if not worse) for a team like India. Who have a physical inability to play out of India.

[ScholarsInk]

ODI is fake cricket.

Test cricket is all that counts.

[RVNmax]

The home team always wins in test cricket!