How would one describe Thatcher's Britain
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How would one describe Thatcher's BritainSo I'm writing my english essay which is on Carol Ann Duffy's poetry and as some may be familiar Duffy is very anti-thatcher and the poems I'm going to analyse are also very anti-thatcher. This makes me want to start my intro in a clever way something like:
'Thatchers britain was a crappy one and Duffy's ethos in the two poems appears to be that Thatchers-Britain was one full of hardships.....'
Obviously I can't say 'Thatcher's Britain was a crappy one' so can anyone help me by giving me a more sophisticated phrase to put in there instead ??
Thanks in advance
EDIT: Guys ! All of you I'm not writing a history essay nor am I naive enough to form an opinion about Thatcher but clearly the poet Carol Ann Duffy has one so I'm just trying to put down in words what Duffy thinks about Thatcher's Britain.
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Re: How would one describe Thatcher's BritainThatcher took a country on the brink of financial ruin, which had already had to go cap in hand to the IMF for a bailout, and rebuilt it to an economy so strong it managed to last 11 years under Labour before collapsing, yet still poets, who are essentially the second most useless profession after trade union leaders, enjoy complaining about her ...(Original post by Roshniroxy)
So I'm writing my english essay which is on Carol Ann Duffy's poetry and as some may be familiar Duffy is very anti-thatcher and the poems I'm going to analyse are also very anti-thatcher. This makes me want to start my intro in a clever way something like:
'Thatchers britain was a crappy one and Duffy's ethos in the two poems appears to be that Thatchers-Britain was one full of hardships.....'
Obviously I can't say 'Thatcher's Britain was a crappy one' so can anyone help me by giving me a more sophisticated phrase to put in there instead ??
Thanks in advance
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Re: How would one describe Thatcher's BritainThatcher treated Britain like a company, not a nation. Yes, the country made a lot of money, but this wealth was concentrated amongst a minority, the rich got richer, the fabled 'trickle down' never materialised, and instead we ended up with a lost generation, rocketing child poverty and growing class hostility.
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Re: How would one describe Thatcher's BritainDOLEFUL(Original post by Roshniroxy)
So I'm writing my english essay which is on Carol Ann Duffy's poetry and as some may be familiar Duffy is very anti-thatcher and the poems I'm going to analyse are also very anti-thatcher. This makes me want to start my intro in a clever way something like:
'Thatchers britain was a crappy one and Duffy's ethos in the two poems appears to be that Thatchers-Britain was one full of hardships.....'
Obviously I can't say 'Thatcher's Britain was a crappy one' so can anyone help me by giving me a more sophisticated phrase to put in there instead ??
Thanks in advance
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Re: How would one describe Thatcher's BritainThatcher initiated the neoliberalism in Britain that continues to this day. For all her supposed economic success, growth was in fact slightly slower than it usually had been since WW2, especially when measured per capita. Income for the vast majority began to stagnate or even decline (and this continues to this day), despite their productivity going up, and of course the rich got richer. The demand lost by income stagnation was covered by credit, which eventually led to our current crisis. I could go on.
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Re: How would one describe Thatcher's BritainNo doubt the economy was in ruin, but this was'nt all about Socialist policy. Do you remember Teddy? The problem with Thatcher was her divisionist policies, Britain changed from a caring society to a divided society. A whole generation of young people were left on the scrapheap.(Original post by chrisawhitmore)
Thatcher took a country on the brink of financial ruin, which had already had to go cap in hand to the IMF for a bailout, and rebuilt it to an economy so strong it managed to last 11 years under Labour before collapsing, yet still poets, who are essentially the second most useless profession after trade union leaders, enjoy complaining about her ... -
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Re: How would one describe Thatcher's BritainThatcher had a vision for the country which is something most politicians today don't have. When you hear criticism of any politician, you must take into account the fact that critics may not see the bigger picture, possible only their little corner and most importantly critics are often driven by political propaganda, and also an education system driven by "Cultural Marxism"/ Political Correctness. You could read "Margaret Thatcher - The Downing Street Years" to get a better perspective.
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Re: How would one describe Thatcher's Britainwhat state ? please elaborate...(Original post by meenu89)
I think people forget what state this country was in during the 1970s.
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Re: How would one describe Thatcher's Britainhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Wednesday(Original post by chrisawhitmore)
Thatcher took a country on the brink of financial ruin, which had already had to go cap in hand to the IMF for a bailout, and rebuilt it to an economy so strong it managed to last 11 years under Labour before collapsing, yet still poets, who are essentially the second most useless profession after trade union leaders, enjoy complaining about her ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/2519013.stm
"Cap in hand" indeed
It's pretty disingenous to blame Labour for what is the failings of the neoliberal, capitalist system of economics when Thatcher's own successors were a disaster themselves.Last edited by Democracy; 19-02-2012 at 20:24. -
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Re: How would one describe Thatcher's BritainThe trade unions had far too much power, in 1973 miners gained a 21% wage increase due to the pressure that the trade unions had put on Ted Heaths government.
But, most importantly, 1978-79 the winter of discontent!! -
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Re: How would one describe Thatcher's BritainIf thatcher were in power from 2002-2007 I doubt the recession would have been as severe.(Original post by Democracy)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Wednesday
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/2519013.stm
"Cap in hand" indeed
It's pretty disingenous to blame Labour for what is the failings of the neoliberal, capitalist system of economics when Thatcher's own successors were a disaster themselves. -
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Re: How would one describe Thatcher's BritainBut not as broken as the one before it, but more broken than the one following it.(Original post by MancStudent098)
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Re: How would one describe Thatcher's BritainI think the point of the Thatcher regime was not about making it perfect, but to keep the country sustainable. Making people unemployed from mines, which weren't making money anyway, is not the point. There's no point manufacturing, like cars, if the cars do not sell.
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Re: How would one describe Thatcher's BritainAnd it is pretty stupid to blame thatcher for a problem caused by an EU system which she didn't want to sign up to (it was a concession to a cabinet unimpressed with her style of government).(Original post by Democracy)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Wednesday
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/2519013.stm
"Cap in hand" indeed
It's pretty disingenous to blame Labour for what is the failings of the neoliberal, capitalist system of economics when Thatcher's own successors were a disaster themselves.
You will also note that as no IMF bailout was required, your attempt to reverse my cap in hand point is at best confusing and at worst deliberately stupid.
I don't, by the way, blame Labour for the recession, rather I blame them for claiming they could stop it and acting like it would never happen, then trying to pass the whole thing off as a global problem on which they had little control. It would be like scrapping the thames barrier and claiming that you could command the tides to turn back, only to point out to the inevitably sodden citizens of a submerged london that Climate change is a worldwide problem, and your government can't be held responsible for it. -
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Re: How would one describe Thatcher's BritainIf my granny had wheels she'd be a bike(Original post by prog2djent)
If thatcher were in power from 2002-2007 I doubt the recession would have been as severe.
I didn't say that. Did you actually read my post?(Original post by chrisawhitmore)
And it is pretty stupid to blame thatcher for a problem caused by an EU system which she didn't want to sign up to (it was a concession to a cabinet unimpressed with her style of government).
You will also note that as no IMF bailout was required, your attempt to reverse my cap in hand point is at best confusing and at worst deliberately stupid.
"failings of the neoliberal, capitalist system of economics"
I level the blame at the economic school, not individuals or parties. Which is why I found your Daily Express style "cap in hand" statement particularly silly.
Your point was about general economic blundering. The Conservative party are perfectly capable of presiding over that, as they proved in 1992, they had no need to wait for Labour to come along and do it for them. Therefore your point was irrelevant and sounded like typical party politics point scoring.
See above, you can blame individuals all you like, that's not looking at the root of the problem.I don't, by the way, blame Labour for the recession, rather I blame them for claiming they could stop it and acting like it would never happen, then trying to pass the whole thing off as a global problem on which they had little control. It would be like scrapping the thames barrier and claiming that you could command the tides to turn back, only to point out to the inevitably sodden citizens of a submerged london that Climate change is a worldwide problem, and your government can't be held responsible for it. -
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Re: How would one describe Thatcher's BritainDivisive.(Original post by Roshniroxy)
So I'm writing my english essay which is on Carol Ann Duffy's poetry and as some may be familiar Duffy is very anti-thatcher and the poems I'm going to analyse are also very anti-thatcher. This makes me want to start my intro in a clever way something like:
'Thatchers britain was a crappy one and Duffy's ethos in the two poems appears to be that Thatchers-Britain was one full of hardships.....'
Obviously I can't say 'Thatcher's Britain was a crappy one' so can anyone help me by giving me a more sophisticated phrase to put in there instead ??
Thanks in advance
EDIT: Guys ! All of you I'm not writing a history essay nor am I naive enough to form an opinion about Thatcher but clearly the poet Carol Ann Duffy has one so I'm just trying to put down in words what Duffy thinks about Thatcher's Britain.
Can I stop being accused and nagged !!!
In some areas the anger was palpable I was only a kid back then but you could feel it.
Oh, and I used to get milk. Then one day I didn't
