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Why do so many on the Left support the IRA?

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    (Original post by Zeffy)
    Warnings were given so that makes it okay? If they didn't intend to kill innocent people they why plant bombs there in the first place moron? And the IRA did attack civilians deliberately, don't try to claim otherwise. Even planting bombs to blow up soldiers and government figures is wrong and cowardly to be honest and doesn't consider the thoughts and needs of the majority of Northern Irish who again, wish to remain part of the UK. What gives the IRA the right to fight for a united Ireland when the majority living in NI don't want that? It's forces their beliefs and ideals on other people.

    The attack's mentioned on many left-wing sites too like libcom and Urban75, they're all crying about it. Also, quite a few Republican blogs are having a whinge about it.

    lol, British soldiers aren't terrorists mate. When have they deliberately gone to kill innocent people?

    Afghanistan they helped America fight a war against a violent, oppresive, intolerant regime that was keeping Afghanistan in the dark ages and to capture a terrorist who murdered thousands of people for no reason on 9/11. It was justified.

    Iraq - I actually was against that war. It was pointless and waged purely to settle George Bushes and Americas own agenda. We should have stayed out.

    Libya - I actually think we shouldn't have gotten involved but, saying that, the NATO interferrance actually resulted in very few civilian deaths and aided the rebels in overthrowing an oppressive dictator. Even though it was none of our business, a large majority of Libya's population wanted Gaddafi gone so it's hard to argue and say that the NATO interferance wasn't wanted (As was the case in Iraq which we should have stayed out of)

    I can tell what sort of person you are. I'm guessing a middle-class kid wannabe anarchist. Struggling to find meaning in your sad, pathetic sheltered little lives so latch yourself onto any cause possible in order to "stick it to the man"

    No doubt you support Squatters Rights whilst ignoring the plight of propety owners who have worked hard all their lives to buy property only to have filthy, unwashed scroungers move in.

    No doubt you also supported the Dale Farm Travellers with no thought at all to the locals who had to put up with an illegal travellers site for years and the crime and disruption it caused.

    No doubt you're the same left-wing idiot who supported the London Rioters and bleet on about "racism", "unemployment" "lack of opportunities" etc as if that's an excuse for smashing up peoples property and mugging innocent folk like that poor lad from Malaysia.

    Simply put, you're a moron. A moron who latches onto any cause you can just to try and bring some meaning into your sad, over-priveledged little life.
    Aww see to be honest if you going to bury you head in the sand and just blatantly lie, i'm not going to try and debate with you.
    Away and worship your terrorist mates in you army. Hopefully the Afghan resistance slaps it up to them.
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    This 'left' and 'right' *******s really gets on my nerves
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    (Original post by prog2djent)
    Clapclap.

    Right from the horses mouth here. Good look trying to convince the anti-fascist ultra progressives on this thread though, even when they hear of a closer represented opinion or fact they go into denial, heck, I wouldn't be suprised if they tell you that you are wrong.
    What I am saying is the majority opinion, certainly where I live in Dublin. Anyone advocating a return to terrorism must be either unhinged or detached from Irish society - because people shudder at the re-emergence of those dark days, especially given the problems that Ireland faces in the present day. It is also the view, of ex members of the prov IRA leadership, who today are on the salary roll of the British government as elected representatives!
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    Erm, why is there an anti-UK organisation/terrorist group/nonce club parading around in the UK? Not only is it in the UK, but it isn't even on Ireland, it's on an island completely irrelevant to Irish unification.
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    As a catholic from Belfast I find the question about unification incredibly difficult. Since the cease-fire, good friday agreement and the formation of a stable(ish) executive things have been relatively good. That coupled with how inept Irish governments are really would make me consider supporting the status quo. Having said that I cannot say that romanticism wont hugely influence my vote
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    The IRA has always been about more than Irish nationalism, it's bound up with radical socialism. I'll let James Connolly tell you about it: http://www.marxists.org/archive/conn.../01/socnat.htm
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    (Original post by Zeffy)
    lol, British soldiers aren't terrorists mate. When have they deliberately gone to kill innocent people?

    Afghanistan they helped America fight a war against a violent, oppresive, intolerant regime that was keeping Afghanistan in the dark ages and to capture a terrorist who murdered thousands of people for no reason on 9/11. It was justified.

    Iraq - I actually was against that war. It was pointless and waged purely to settle George Bushes and Americas own agenda. We should have stayed out.

    Libya - I actually think we shouldn't have gotten involved but, saying that, the NATO interferrance actually resulted in very few civilian deaths and aided the rebels in overthrowing an oppressive dictator. Even though it was none of our business, a large majority of Libya's population wanted Gaddafi gone so it's hard to argue and say that the NATO interferance wasn't wanted (As was the case in Iraq which we should have stayed out of)

    I can tell what sort of person you are. I'm guessing a middle-class kid wannabe anarchist. Struggling to find meaning in your sad, pathetic sheltered little lives so latch yourself onto any cause possible in order to "stick it to the man"

    No doubt you support Squatters Rights whilst ignoring the plight of propety owners who have worked hard all their lives to buy property only to have filthy, unwashed scroungers move in.

    No doubt you also supported the Dale Farm Travellers with no thought at all to the locals who had to put up with an illegal travellers site for years and the crime and disruption it caused.



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    "lol, British soldiers aren't terrorists mate. When have they deliberately gone to kill innocent people?" - they aren't terrorits under the definition of terrorism, but they have killed innocent people on purpose, actually, it could be argued that imperialist democracy or "first mover advantage benchmarking" could be classed as terror.

    "Afghanistan they helped America fight a war against a violent, oppresive, intolerant regime that was keeping Afghanistan in the dark ages and to capture a terrorist who murdered thousands of people for no reason on 9/11. It was justified."

    American backed warlords, Islamists and the Mujahideen to overthrow USSR occupation simply because the US opposed internation communism. Those people the US were backing tunred into the taliban, as their opposition against the USSR came from 2 things, their occupation and Osama's former aid (i foget the name) who came up with a manifesto (basically) for Islamism against communism and the implementation of fundamental islam in Afganisatn - Now then taliba. The USA didn't care that they were supporting nutters, just as long as they opposed Russia. America went into Afganistan to oust the taliban, not to get rid of Osama. This was essentially a side show as their main reason for going over was resources all over the middle east, the 9/11 attacks were the catalyst (I would like to know why you think Osama, and the middle east hate the USA, please tell). This is just a technical point, but no war America has been involved in since WW2 has gone through the proper constitutional, then congressional process ... simply put, no war as been justified. The people of Afganistan initially supported efforts to oust the taliban, but ideologically, they do not support US military adventurism and past, and current occupation of the country nor the middle east, 42% of Kabul (the most liberal and Pro-american afgan city) support the US intervention, and 48% support the US ideologically with their other occupations.

    "Iraq - I actually was against that war. It was pointless and waged purely to settle George Bushes and Americas own agenda. We should have stayed out."

    Correct.

    And I'm leaving your Libya quote out because I haven't educated myself enough on the matter yet to make a judgement.

    "I'm guessing a middle-class kid wannabe anarchist."

    The person you were responding to is a communist.

    "No doubt you also supported the Dale Farm Travellers with no thought at all to the locals who had to put up with an illegal travellers site for years and the crime and disruption it caused."

    The left do tend to have a bit of blind spot in relation to travellers, I'll give you that.

    And the rest of your post was pretty hate filled. I don't make an aggressive comment unless someone makes one against me first. Cheer up lad!
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    (Original post by TheDubs)
    There was an IRA march in Liverpool yesterday? Wow, these guys want the Brits out of everywhere it seems!

    Surely it was low key, and this is being made into a mountain out of a molehill? And only a few people supported this?
    It was a march in commemoration of IRA Oglach Sean Phelan, who was from Liverpool. It was not an "IRA march".
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    (Original post by tekno)
    As a catholic from Belfast I find the question about unification incredibly difficult. Since the cease-fire, good friday agreement and the formation of a stable(ish) executive things have been relatively good. That coupled with how inept Irish governments are really would make me consider supporting the status quo. Having said that I cannot say that romanticism wont hugely influence my vote
    Hehe

    Things did seem to be going well for a while.
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    (Original post by IRSP044)
    It was a march in commemoration of IRA Oglach Sean Phelan, who was from Liverpool. It was not an "IRA march".
    Ah yes, in the same way that a commemoration of Hitler would not be a Fascist outing?

    Those spectacles are so rose tinted, its probably illegal for you to drive in them.
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    (Original post by c471)
    Ah yes, in the same way that a commemoration of Hitler would not be a Fascist outing?

    Those spectacles are so rose tinted, its probably illegal for you to drive in them.
    This was a sinn fein event. If you still think they are the IRA then you need your head checked.
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    (Original post by Zeffy)
    What gives the IRA the right to fight for a united Ireland when the majority living in NI don't want that? It's forces their beliefs and ideals on other people.
    Generally Republians do not recognise Northern Ireland as a legitmate state. In essence it is considered to be a manufactured state with a manufactured majority population.

    lol, British soldiers aren't terrorists mate. When have they deliberately gone to kill innocent people?
    Don't dismiss the fact that the British Military was an incredibly controversial force in Northern Ireland's political landscape. Events like the Bogside and Ballymurphy massacres continue to resonate for Nationalists as a display of unrestrained brutality, which in effect served to create martyrs for the Republican cause. Low level collusion would also contribute to a general distrust of British security forces, with the best example being the "Glenanne Gang".
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    (Original post by Snagprophet)
    Erm, why is there an anti-UK organisation/terrorist group/nonce club parading around in the UK? Not only is it in the UK, but it isn't even on Ireland, it's on an island completely irrelevant to Irish unification.
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2006/0225/loyalist.html

    Those in Dublin could ask the same question. Also, this same group will be marching again this year. What's worse is, they will be marching past the GPO during the Easter celebrations. Such a move would be paramount to the IRA marching past the Cenotaph!
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    (Original post by Zeffy)
    I'm just going from anti-fascist forums and websites like urban75, the Liverpool Antifascist blog, indymedia etc, all of whom have many posters showing support for the IRA which seems to go completely against what they claim to oppose.

    Then of course there's the SWP who have shown support for the IRA. Ken Livingston, UAF etc have done the same and I really can't understand why. How can someone support a bunch of child killing terrorists and not feel ashamed of themselves?
    I see what you're saying but these aren't mainstream left. In terms of number of followers against the number that would consider themselves somewhere on the spectrum to the left of the centre they would count for a tiny minority. Ken Livingstone is also quite out there, but stretches his appeal towards the funky end of moderate left-ishness IMO but equally stretches in the other direction....

    On that last sentence, is 'terrorism' always wrong? I'm trying to be as neutral as possible... but is it not a bit of a value judgement and are there circumstances when it can be deemed a necessary form of protest? It may stop some from "feeling ashamed of themselves". British policy towards Ireland was pretty shambolic anyway, though I would of course never support dragging innocent civilians into something
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    If you were to look at the circumstances in Northern Ireland for young catholic men during the 60's/70's then I'd be amazed if you didn't have sympathy for the volunteers. These guys were faced with poverty, discrimiantion, attacks by unionists and a very one-sided RUC/British Army. The events of Bloody Sunday led to a wave of volunteers. That was truly dire circumstances so I can see why the PIRA was born from the civil rights movement at that time.
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    (Original post by ak137)
    I support the IRA and im not a 'lefty'.
    As an anti-imperialist movement? Then perhaps you can explain the Salvador Allende avatar? Are you proud of your support for dictatorships? Perhaps we can add this to the list of dictatorships you've already expressed support for, which already includes Assad and the Iranian regime.
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    (Original post by Rhadamanthus)
    As an anti-imperialist movement? Then perhaps you can explain the Salvador Allende avatar? Are you proud of your support for dictatorships?
    IRA is not a dictatorship :confused: Its an organisation that is considered a 'terrorist' group by the British government. I fully support the reunification of Ireland.


    Perhaps we can add this to the list of dictatorships you've already expressed support for, which already includes Assad and the Iranian regime.
    LOL! First of all, i have not supported the Iranian regime, can you source me where i have expressed support for those guys? Iran is not building a nuclear weapon. Pointing this out does not make me pro Iran :rofl:
    You are being paranoid and being a typical Zionist by crying, claiming to be the victim.
    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...-the-iaea.html

    Secondly, the US, Israel obviously wants regime change in Syria - neither the US nor Israelis care about how many Arabs Assad kills, because they themselves kill Arabs systematically on a daily basis :rofl2: Hypocritical, right?

    So yeah, you can drop the act where you're pretending to support the Syrian people.

    I support the NCC, for a democratic Syria - not Bashar Assad's terrorists neither the FSA terrorists. You have your wires crossed obviously, havent read my posts (and you wont read this one properly either, im guessing), and you're trying to accuse me of something i havent supported.

    thirdly, terrorist state of israel. UN sanctions, where are they? Why does the US keep vetoing resolutions on Israel? Why isnt there a General Assembly resolution on Israel? Why isnt the media (inb4 you say "why you accusing jews of controlling the media", im not :rolleyes:) reporting vetoes on Israel. Also Khader Adnan, why arent the Israel's at least charging him, or letting him go? I guess you support this as well do you? Hypocrite.


    last point, Allende. Im sure you hated him too.

    That'll keep you entertained, Jake.
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    (Original post by ak137)
    IRA is not a dictatorship :confused: Its an organisation that is considered a 'terrorist' group by the British government. I fully support the reunification of Ireland.
    Dude. That is not what the IRA has been about for decades :facepalm2: :facepalm2:

    Please don't talk about what you don't understand, the Irish people reject the terrorism of today's "IRA".

    Nobody sensible or decent has "mixed opinions". The IRA are pondlife. Once upon a time, when they first began, they were doing something very righteous, now they are just drug-running terrorist scum. The only people I've ever heard supporting them are a tiny, tiny number of ignorant backwards Irish idiots, and Americans who like to call themselves Irish, who are so far removed from what's actually going on that they have no idea what the IRA stands for now.

    The modern IRA (thats the PIRA, RIRA, CIRA) are regarded as terrorists and criminals in modern day Ireland. They seek to end British rule in Northern Ireland which is not what the majority of people living there want. They have done many terrible things which lost them a lot of public support. The Britsh and Irish governments have developed a very good working relationship in dealing with them, and hopefully that will continue.
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    (Original post by Rhadamanthus)
    As an anti-imperialist movement? Then perhaps you can explain the Salvador Allende avatar? Are you proud of your support for dictatorships? Perhaps we can add this to the list of dictatorships you've already expressed support for, which already includes Assad and the Iranian regime.
    Er what the ****?

    Allende was a democratically elected leader who the Americans and others threw out of office.
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    Who in the right mind would support them, left or right? It's a bunch of thugs who can't forget the past, yet they will happily collect their British benefit checks every week.

    I feel like unless you live in Northern Ireland it's hard to understand. It's irritating that because I was raised a Catholic people expect you to be a republican. Seriously, I just can't see the appeal at all. What are they fighting for? We all have civil rights and our equality yet they push it further. It's not the same people it was, just bitter criminals with too much free time and anger.

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