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Why do so many on the Left support the IRA?

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    (Original post by llessur123)
    Who in the right mind would support them, left or right? It's a bunch of thugs who can't forget the past, yet they will happily collect their British benefit checks every week.

    I feel like unless you live in Northern Ireland it's hard to understand. It's irritating that because I was raised a Catholic people expect you to be a republican. Seriously, I just can't see the appeal at all. What are they fighting for? We all have civil rights and our equality yet they push it further. Who wants a united Ireland? Very few people.
    Would you say support has dropped that low in the North from the 'Irish' community?

    I read that 50% of Irish Catholics in the six counties supported the union with Britain? Would you say that's accurate?
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    Horror tactics the British adopted.
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    (Original post by Dubliner)
    Er what the ****?Allende was a democratically elected leader who the Americans and others threw out of office.
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    The Communist Party was elected with roughly 1/3 of the popular vote. Allende remained president against the direct decrees of the supreme court and parliament after his policies resulted in the beginning of mass poverty and starvation, despite his campaign promises to strictly follow the rule of law. Allende nationalised private property and began mass arming Communist Party militias to prepare for a bloody communist reign. When Allende was asked about the worsening situation, he responded "things are good or bad according to whether they bring us nearer to or further from power, according to whether they assure or not the irreversibility of the revolutionary process." His government followed this and - violently at times - suppressed resistance, including imprisoning and beating of anti-communist journalists and machine-gunning student demonstrators. Chile under Allende was beginning to look just like China under Mao.

    Chile's Supreme Court issued endless warnings against Allende's government, calling for his resignation, calling his actions unconstitutional, calling his rule illegitimate. Allende openly defied the courts. This was a clear violation of his central campaign promise - to follow the rule of law. Later, the parliament called for Allende's resignation and eventually the Supreme Court openly and explicitly requested that the army depose Allende. Salvador Allende remained.

    In his private correspondence, Allende confirms that he was preparing to initiate violent communist revolution on a mass scale. Lengthy documents have since been discovered detailing Allende's party's plans for sabotage of resisting industry, urban warfare, infiltration of the armed forces, the violent seizure of TV and radio stations, and so on. According to their own documents, the point of all this was to "take total power and impose the dictatorship of the proletariat."

    So not entirely democratic.
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    (Original post by ak137)
    IRA is not a dictatorship :confused: Its an organisation that is considered a 'terrorist' group by the British government. I fully support the reunification of Ireland.
    I called Allende a dictator, not the IRA. They are, however, a terrorist organisation.

    LOL! First of all, i have not supported the Iranian regime, can you source me where i have expressed support for those guys? Iran is not building a nuclear weapon. Pointing this out does not make me pro Iran :rofl:You are being paranoid and being a typical Zionist by crying, claiming to be the victim. http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...-the-iaea.htmlSecondly, the US, Israel obviously wants regime change in Syria - neither the US nor Israelis care about how many Arabs Assad kills, because they themselves kill Arabs systematically on a daily basis :rofl2: Hypocritical, right?So yeah, you can drop the act where you're pretending to support the Syrian people. I support the NCC, for a democratic Syria - not Bashar Assad's terrorists neither the FSA terrorists. You have your wires crossed obviously, havent read my posts (and you wont read this one properly either, im guessing), and you're trying to accuse me of something i havent supported. thirdly, terrorist state of israel. UN sanctions, where are they? Why does the US keep vetoing resolutions on Israel? Why isnt there a General Assembly resolution on Israel? Why isnt the media (inb4 you say "why you accusing jews of controlling the media", im not :rolleyes:) reporting vetoes on Israel. Also Khader Adnan, why arent the Israel's at least charging him, or letting him go? I guess you support this as well do you? Hypocrite. last point, Allende. Im sure you hated him too.That'll keep you entertained, Jake.
    If you were asked to do an essay on Iran and started waffling on about Israel, you'd get failed. The same applies here. No one mentioned Israel, instead, I was calling into question your repeated support for dictatorships or at least your unwillingness to support any action to bring about their downfall. And you can stop naming me or I'll start reporting you.
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    (Original post by Lust of a Gardener)
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2006/0225/loyalist.html

    Those in Dublin could ask the same question. Also, this same group will be marching again this year. What's worse is, they will be marching past the GPO during the Easter celebrations. Such a move would be paramount to the IRA marching past the Cenotaph!
    There isn't a hope in hell of willie and his merry gang of Muppet's marching past the GPO at Easter.
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    (Original post by Rhadamanthus)
    I called Allende a dictator, not the IRA. They are, however, a terrorist organisation.
    Well, i guess one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.
    Allende wasnt a dictator, he was democratically elected. Calling him a dictator is calling Bush and Obama dictators.

    If you were asked to do an essay on Iran and started waffling on about Israel, you'd get failed.
    if you bothered to look, I specifically started with Iran and Syria. Pointing out hypocrisy doesnt sit well with you does it.
    The same applies here. No one mentioned Israel,
    Considering Syria borders with Israel, its worth a mention, whether you like it or not is a different story.

    instead, I was calling into question your repeated support for dictatorships or at least your unwillingness to support any action to bring about their downfall.
    What other 'dictatorships' can i supported? You support more dictatorships than I do (one, which is Israel).

    And you can stop naming me or I'll start reporting you.
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    (Original post by Chonicles)
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    No. Terrorists, Gangsters and murderers.

    They and their ilk are scum. As are the morons who support them.

    The IRA were good at the point of their formation back in the early 20th century. Now they are just hooligans who are hypocrites of their own cause. Slaughtering thousands of innocent people and are an utterly disgusting bunch. Yes they were entirely justified at the start, but their time has way past, anyone who still supports them in this day and age is either an idiot or just extremely hateful. They are murderers plain and simple, just like their loyalist opposites who even when every normal person wants peace - still manage to perpetuate hate.

    Its so outdated and out of check with the wishes of the Catholic community. They are now just criminal gangs who use the cloak of romanticism around the IRA to murder innocent and decent people on the streets and walk away from it. Anyone sympathetic to the 'cause' now has lost the plot, its a different landscape now compared to back in the early days. Politics is the only way forward and a peaceful solution is what everyone wants except the hardline dissident republicans.
    (Original post by JCC-MGS)
    The nationalists generally have closer links to working class political movements than the unionists so that's probably the reason why, along with anti-imperialist sentiment. Also don't chat **** about how the IRA are a terrorist group responsible for the deaths of countless innocents when it was essentially a civil war rather than a one-sided terrorist campaign, both sides were responsible for terrorist activity rather than the IRA bombing pubs while the UDA handed out flowers to old women and ran cafés. Lives were needlessly lost as a result of actions from both sides.
    What JCC said :yy:
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    (Original post by ak137)
    Well, i guess one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.
    Allende wasnt a dictator, he was democratically elected. Calling him a dictator is calling Bush and Obama dictators.
    I wrote about Allende's dictatorship here.

    What other 'dictatorships' can i supported? You support more dictatorships than I do (one, which is Israel).
    Typical of your relativism to conclude that Israel is a dictatorship but Allende's Chile was not. Israel is an imperfect democracy, like it or not, this still makes it a democracy. Democracies can occupy other peoples' land without becoming dictatorships. Just because Israel illegally occupy Palestinian land doesn't make the country a dictatorship in any sense of the word. Opposing any UN Security Council resolution calling for the end of the Assad regime (as I seem to recall your position was in a debate last week) is tantamount to supporting his regime. (Orwell - "pacifists are objectively pro-fascist".)

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    (Original post by ak137)
    Well, i guess one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.
    Can you actually explain why on earth you think what remains of the IRA today (i.e. the CIRA, RIRA and so on) are fighting for anything at all? They are just bloody killers and are opposed by virtually everyone in the free state and in the north. As others have said, do you have some sort of wicked bloodlust - and want to see a stable political situation shattered and fear and chaos brought back to Belfast, Dublin and mainland Britain? The people of Ireland have fought for peace, why do you support groups that want to ruin that for us? Why do you support groups that want to plant the seeds of hatred back into Belfast, a city that is improving every year?
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    (Original post by Chonicles)
    Word. I can't believe people want to ruin what we have managed to do in Ireland regards peace.

    :sigh:
    I know, it is so sad. I just hope that they don't live in Ireland.

    If they live here then it makes me sad, what is wrong with these sectarian types?
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    (Original post by Dubliner)
    Can you actually explain why on earth you think what remains of the IRA today (i.e. the CIRA, RIRA and so on) are fighting for anything at all? They are just bloody killers and are opposed by virtually everyone in the free state and in the north. As others have said, do you have some sort of wicked bloodlust - and want to see a stable political situation shattered and fear and chaos brought back to Belfast, Dublin and mainland Britain? The people of Ireland have fought for peace, why do you support groups that want to ruin that for us? Why do you support groups that want to plant the seeds of hatred back into Belfast, a city that is improving every year?
    I answered on one of the pages.

    And lol at the bold bit.
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    (Original post by ak137)
    I answered on one of the pages.

    And lol at the bold bit.
    What? I'm not fishing out your response?
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    (Original post by Dubliner)
    Dude. That is not what the IRA has been about for decades :facepalm2: :facepalm2:

    Please don't talk about what you don't understand, the Irish people reject the terrorism of today's "IRA".

    Nobody sensible or decent has "mixed opinions". The IRA are pondlife. Once upon a time, when they first began, they were doing something very righteous, now they are just drug-running terrorist scum. The only people I've ever heard supporting them are a tiny, tiny number of ignorant backwards Irish idiots, and Americans who like to call themselves Irish, who are so far removed from what's actually going on that they have no idea what the IRA stands for now.

    The modern IRA (thats the PIRA, RIRA, CIRA) are regarded as terrorists and criminals in modern day Ireland. They seek to end British rule in Northern Ireland which is not what the majority of people living there want. They have done many terrible things which lost them a lot of public support. The Britsh and Irish governments have developed a very good working relationship in dealing with them, and hopefully that will continue.
    The IRA fight for the same aims today as the day they were formed through prob more socialist.
    The Brits have always regarded the IRA as terrorists so that nothing new.

    Do you support Gerrymandering?
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    I'd take the OP's post seriously if he didn't class said people simply as "the left." Great generalising there.
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    (Original post by ak137)
    I support the IRA and im not a 'lefty'.
    You support the IRA? Really?
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    (Original post by Chonicles)
    No. Terrorists, Gangsters and murderers.

    They and their ilk are scum. As are the morons who support them.

    The IRA were good at the point of their formation back in the early 20th century. Now they are just hooligans who are hypocrites of their own cause. Slaughtering thousands of innocent people and are an utterly disgusting bunch. Yes they were entirely justified at the start, but their time has way past, anyone who still supports them in this day and age is either an idiot or just extremely hateful. They are murderers plain and simple, just like their loyalist opposites who even when every normal person wants peace - still manage to perpetuate hate.

    Its so outdated and out of check with the wishes of the Catholic community. They are now just criminal gangs who use the cloak of romanticism around the IRA to murder innocent and decent people on the streets and walk away from it. Anyone sympathetic to the 'cause' now has lost the plot, its a different landscape now compared to back in the early days. Politics is the only way forward and a peaceful solution is what everyone wants except the hardline dissident republicans.
    Mental.
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    (Original post by Dubliner)
    Can you actually explain why on earth you think what remains of the IRA today (i.e. the CIRA, RIRA and so on) are fighting for anything at all? They are just bloody killers and are opposed by virtually everyone in the free state and in the north. As others have said, do you have some sort of wicked bloodlust - and want to see a stable political situation shattered and fear and chaos brought back to Belfast, Dublin and mainland Britain? The people of Ireland have fought for peace, why do you support groups that want to ruin that for us? Why do you support groups that want to plant the seeds of hatred back into Belfast, a city that is improving every year?
    Ireland is a great thriving country at the moment. Thriving because its free from British Imperialism and Irish Capitalism.
    Who would want to wreck the great system now...
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    Irish people generally have strong ties to Liverpool, there's no surprise that republicans who fled the north went across the water to Liverpool, therefore there are possibly a few of Irish descent for these marches.

    The argument of "there's more for UK than against" is tainted. Except that Irish is struggling politically and economically I would expect that to be completely false. Nationalists and Republicans have been split over SDLP/Sinn Fein, whilst Unionists overwhelmingly support DUP. Is there a surprise that the DUP was the most popular party?

    I'm not going to deny what the IRA did, but they did this against the backdrop of complete repression against the Catholics. The police force was Protestant dominated and various voices (such as Ian Paisley) led vicious attacks against Catholics marching for equal rights (NICRA) (what's this??? Ian paisley a terrorist too????) The IRA helped the catholic areas of Belfast fend off attacks from loyalist thugs and police. This excludes the modern IRA I assume? They're complete terrorists.
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    (Original post by IRSP044)
    The IRA did not deliberately target civilians apart from a extremely small number of isolated attacks that where condemned by the vast majority of Republicans.
    Yeah apart from the Armagh bombings which were sort if a big deal and the fact they acted like judge and jury by lifting locals, torturing and killing them.

    Nice one.

    You support the Argies wrongful claim to the Falklands and you support Terrorists.
    And you call British soldiers terrorists. That's funny.
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    (Original post by thunder_chunky)
    You support the IRA? Really?
    I support the cause, yes.

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