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Why do so many on the Left support the IRA?

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Original post by ak137
I fail to see how almost the killing of 30 unarmed peaceful protestors were a mistake. Maybe the first one, or two or three can be considered a 'mistake'.


Anything bad Britain does is always labelled as a 'mistake'.


But the kidnapping, torture and murder of civilians is ok right? Not to mention those that were crippled and permanently scarred from IRA bombings.
All in the name of freedom I'm sure.

The IRA has no defence or credibility. To claim otherwise is laughable.
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Original post by thunder_chunky
But the kidnapping, torture and murder of civilians is ok right? Not to mention those that were crippled and permanently scarred from IRA bombings.
All in the name of freedom I'm sure.

The IRA has no defence or credibility. To claim otherwise is laughable.


You're changing the subject completely, as we were talking about Bloody Sunday.
Original post by ak137
I fail to see how almost the killing of 30 unarmed peaceful protestors were a mistake. Maybe the first one, or two or three can be considered a 'mistake'.


Anything bad Britain does is always labelled as a 'mistake'.


"Britain" didn't do it, though, did they? I have no idea what you're talking about, but I'd wager the perpetrators were a select number of paratroopers.

Maybe you should localise your criticism?
Original post by ak137
You're changing the subject completely, as we were talking about Bloody Sunday.


You can't talk about bloody Sunday and yet ignore what the IRA has done itself because you're trying to score moral points. The IRA or an IRA supporter trying to take the moral high ground is pretty ironic.
Original post by Notethis
"Britain" didn't do it, though, did they? I have no idea what you're talking about, but I'd wager the perpetrators were a select number of paratroopers.

Maybe you should localise your criticism?


Well actually as soldiers they repeated the army and Britain whilst under the command of a ranking officer so they sorta did represent Britain in a way, regardless of how many soldiers actually did the deed.
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How can supposedly intelligent people support a terrorist group who have murdered countless innocent people and brought misery to so many peoples lives?


You people are mixing two different organisations up. The REAL IRA and the IRA two different groups with two different causes. I support the old IRA for there aims and objectives from removing colonialists from there land. Any please before you brand the IRA as terrorists the REAL terrorists are the British soldiers stationed in Ireland during the uprising or as there commonly known 'Black and Tans' who murdered, raped and killed Irish civilians during the occupation of both south and north. The modern day 'Real IRA' are nothing but a bunch of drug dealers with no real goals but there bank accounts.
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Original post by Notethis
"Britain" didn't do it, though, did they? I have no idea what you're talking about, but I'd wager the perpetrators were a select number of paratroopers.

Maybe you should localise your criticism?

Maybe you should research in what im talking about, before quoting me?
Original post by thunder_chunky
You can't talk about bloody Sunday and yet ignore what the IRA has done itself because you're trying to score moral points. The IRA or an IRA supporter trying to take the moral high ground is pretty ironic.

Im not taking any moral highground. You cant consider IRA terrorists while you consider the Brtish army to be not.
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Original post by thunder_chunky
You can't talk about bloody Sunday and yet ignore what the IRA has done itself because you're trying to score moral points. The IRA or an IRA supporter trying to take the moral high ground is pretty ironic.


Well, you kinda can. The actions of the IRA are irrelevant. Just because the IRA do 'terrible' things doesn't make it acceptable for the British to do 'terrible' things (not making judgements on how bad either side actually was). We, the British, should hold ourselves to a higher standard than killing innocent people, whether by 'mistake' or not, and whether or not others would do that to us.

Equally an IRA supporter could argue the exact same point.

Personally, I think all sides should hold themselves to higher standards than killing innocent people, whether accidentally or not.
Original post by thunder_chunky
Well actually as soldiers they repeated the army and Britain whilst under the command of a ranking officer so they sorta did represent Britain in a way, regardless of how many soldiers actually did the deed.


Using "Britain" as the perpetrating entity implicates anyone who has ever lived on the sceptered isle. I mean, I can see the role I played in the Bloody Sunday massacre, but I think you'd find it hard to burden anyone else born post-72 with the moral culpability of that day.

I suppose it was Chelsea's starting 11 who were racist to Anton Ferdinand; but they represent a district of London, so maybe the whole district was racist on that one occasion?
Original post by ak137
Maybe you should research in what im talking about, before quoting me?


Maybe you should ponder a considered reply to my point, before quoting me?
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Original post by ak137
I support the IRA and im not a 'lefty'.


What you support the modern IRA like the continuity? :lolwut:
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Original post by ak137
I answered on one of the pages.

And lol at the bold bit.


Actually I just checked every page of this thread and have found no trace of your justification?

Can you clarify that you actually support the CIRA/RIRA/Similar groups?
"...the British Government has no right in Ireland, never had any right in Ireland, and never can have any right in Ireland..."
Original post by peacefrog16
"...the British Government has no right in Ireland, never had any right in Ireland, and never can have any right in Ireland..."


Amen! :clap2:
Nonsense.

I'm a socialist/anarchist and I don't support the IRA.

Your right-wing counterparts across the pond do however.

This has nothing to do with the left or the right. It's about people who support terrorism (the use of violence to achieve political goals) vs. people who don't support terrorism.
Original post by ak137


Im not taking any moral highground. You cant consider IRA terrorists while you consider the Brtish army to be not.


You are playing the moral card and actually yes I can consider the IRA terrorists and not the British Army, because the British army are not. Although I'd love to see your argument as to why to consider them to be. Oh and by that I mean a real arguement not just a list of countries the army has been in or involved with.
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Original post by tc92
Well, you kinda can. The actions of the IRA are irrelevant.


Nope you can't and the actions are not irrelevant because their actions and activity in the days, weeks, months, and perhaps years before led to increased tension which some might say was one of the causes of the build up of tension that led to it.
Plus whilst I have already admitted it was a mistake and regrettable, I won't be lectured about the morality of it by someone who is s terrorist supporter and who thinks the British army are terrorists.

So nope, not irrelevant I'm afraid.

[quote]Just because the IRA do 'terrible' things doesn't make it acceptable for the British to do 'terrible' things (not making judgements on how bad either side actually was). [\quote]

I'm not denying the British made mistakes or did wrong though.

We, the British, should hold ourselves to a higher standard than killing innocent people, whether by 'mistake' or not, and whether or not others would do that to us.


Generally speaking we did and do. 99.9% of the time the army acts disciplined, it's not like they want to kill innocents or set out too regularly which is more than I can say for the IRA scumbags.


Personally, I think all sides should hold themselves to higher standards than killing innocent people, whether accidentally or not.


True but unlikely. It's not like we're a going to join hands and sing kum-by-ya.
Original post by Notethis
Using "Britain" as the perpetrating entity implicates anyone who has ever lived on the sceptered isle. I mean, I can see the role I played in the Bloody Sunday massacre, but I think you'd find it hard to burden anyone else born post-72 with the moral culpability of that day.

I suppose it was Chelsea's starting 11 who were racist to Anton Ferdinand; but they represent a district of London, so maybe the whole district was racist on that one occasion?


Not a valid comparison. It's pretty much a given that the armed forces of a country represents their country in a way which is why when things go FUBAR the government of that country are sometimes made to answer.
Original post by Maddog Jones
I'm also involved in many left wing organisations (Young Labour, Fabians etc), I've met hundreds of people in real life and online associated with the left, and I've never met a single one who supports the IRA. I've met those who support a united Ireland, but only through peaceful methods.I don't see why people wouldn't wish to see a united Ireland. That a nation is divided because of some petty squable about an issue that really should be confined to previous centuries is frankly quite sad. That said for as long as the occupants wish to remain part of the UK I wouldn't wish to force unification upon them.
Original post by thunder_chunky
You are playing the moral card and actually yes I can consider the IRA terrorists and not the British Army, because the British army are not. Although I'd love to see your argument as to why to consider them to be. Oh and by that I mean a real arguement not just a list of countries the army has been in or involved with.


Perhaps if you live in Ireland, or Iraq or Afghanistan, or India, or any number of other places where the British army have been an occupying, imperialist force you would consider them terrorists. There is no moral difference between a car bomb and a bomb dropped from a Fighter jet, both kill innocent people for political purposes.

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