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    (Original post by Origami Bullets)
    Yay we seem to have a bit of a Bristolian mafia going on here! I'm from NW Bristol . . . I've moved about over the city, but mostly centred in the NW

    I quite like Oak House, myself. It's big, there's lots going on, it's cheap (always important!) and although it's basic (plaster? It's for pussies. Pale green breezeblock is the way forward!), it provides everything you need.



    Most socialising done by UGs in the UK is based around alcohol, unfortunately. If it's sports-based, then there are also going to be socials (and the inevitable initiation, which isn't as bad as it sounds, unless it's a rugby initiation, when it's far, far worse than it sounds) which are generally Bacchanalian riots anyway (I don't think that I can remember the entirety of one social so far...). If it's anything-else based, then there are also socials. And then there are the nights out in Freshers, and nights out for no particular reason, starting with pre-drinks in halls.

    I know what you mean about people who are fresh out of school & parental control. I had left home 6 months before going to uni, and the parents had been leaving me to my own devices for another 8 months before that. Thus, the freedom to go out drinking whenever I wanted was nothing new to me, and some of the novelty had definitely worn off! However, once you're past freshers week (which you should really join in with, if only to get to know your flatmates) then there's no real pressure to go out - you can if you want, if not then it's fine. The people who do go out all the time don't tend to be horrifically noisy, although you will often hear people leaving for clubs around 11pm. It has to be said, however, that as the year has gone on, people have been going out less and less.

    But I don't want to be too pessimistic about Fallowfield, for a number of reasons
    - If your son is coming with you, then I'm guessing you're going to be living in either Horniman or Linton House, where you'll be surrounded by likeminded people anyway.
    - Even if you're not bringing your son, you may be able to talk the accommodation office into letting you stay in PG accommodation, because you're a mature student. That will be much quieter, and much more work focused than UG accommodation.
    - The only real difference between Fallowfield & City is that City has far more internationals. Whilst internationals tend to be more work-focused than alcohol-focused, they're also often prone to staying in their own national groups. And the UK students will still be just as prone to going out as the ones in Fallowfield. Victoria Park has a reputation for being that bit quieter, but I've never quite worked out how true that is, and I've never had reason to go over there.
    - Intellectual conversations are mainly to be had in your tutorials. In all likelihood, you'll be living with people from other courses anyway. I struggle to hold an intellectual conversation about Jane Austen; they struggle to hold an intellectual conversation about Hobbes. No one's drunk 24/7, so you can always attempt to hold such conversations when everyone's sober!

    I think this reply has gone slightly disjointed (I need to go to bed!) but you get the idea, and I'm always happy to answer your questions
    Wow, I'm still stuck on whether to go to OH or Whitworth Park :/ Is it possible to go to OH and still get 60% studying History? Can't wait for the learning commons to open, it looks like a great place to meet/study
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    Wow, I'm still stuck on whether to go to OH or Whitworth Park :/ Is it possible to go to OH and still get 60% studying History? Can't wait for the learning commons to open, it looks like a great place to meet/study
    Yep, definitely possible - I'm doing a social science and got a 2:i last semester; I know someone doing a physical science who got 80-something% last semester.

    Learning Commons does look great, but I'll put money on it not being ready by September! Ah well, we've still got the library directly behind it to use in the meantime.
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    (Original post by Origami Bullets)
    Yep, definitely possible - I'm doing a social science and got a 2:i last semester; I know someone doing a physical science who got 80-something% last semester.

    Learning Commons does look great, but I'll put money on it not being ready by September! Ah well, we've still got the library directly behind it to use in the meantime.
    REALLY?! Why's that? I was there in February and it didn't look in too bad a shape. Is it quite a bit behind schedule?

    Oh, so is OH overhyped in terms of noise etc. Will it be workable after freshers, or do you tend to work a lot in the library? I've also heard MMU's library is 24/7 and they're happy to let UoM students in?
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    (Original post by sarah1345)
    REALLY?! Why's that? I was there in February and it didn't look in too bad a shape. Is it quite a bit behind schedule?

    Oh, so is OH overhyped in terms of noise etc. Will it be workable after freshers, or do you tend to work a lot in the library? I've also heard MMU's library is 24/7 and they're happy to let UoM students in?
    Well, they've not said anything officially, but it's not even weather-proof yet, so obviously they haven't started on the wiring, plastering or anything aesthetic yet. Plus, building projects always overrun! It's not like it'll never open - it'll probably be open by the time January exams come round (which is the only time the library is ever packed out) anyway. In the meantime, you can use the library. All the learning commons is going to be is like the library, but without books!

    OH's noise has never really bothered me. Yes, you get a bit of it, but it's nothing unmanageable, and I've never felt the need to go to the library to avoid it. TBH, the only time I go to the library to work is when I've got >1 hour between lectures to kill.

    I've only ever heard something vague on TSR about MMU letting UoM students in. I've never heard anything about it offline, so I'm not sure if it's even true. However, I'm not entirely sure why you'd bother, even if it is true - I doubt you'll be able to get on the internet there, you won't be able to take books out, it's further away from both lecture theatres and accommodation than JRUL (UoM's library), and I believe JRUL is one of the biggest uni libraries in the country.
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    (Original post by Origami Bullets)
    Well, they've not said anything officially, but it's not even weather-proof yet, so obviously they haven't started on the wiring, plastering or anything aesthetic yet. Plus, building projects always overrun! It's not like it'll never open - it'll probably be open by the time January exams come round (which is the only time the library is ever packed out) anyway. In the meantime, you can use the library. All the learning commons is going to be is like the library, but without books!

    OH's noise has never really bothered me. Yes, you get a bit of it, but it's nothing unmanageable, and I've never felt the need to go to the library to avoid it. TBH, the only time I go to the library to work is when I've got >1 hour between lectures to kill.

    I've only ever heard something vague on TSR about MMU letting UoM students in. I've never heard anything about it offline, so I'm not sure if it's even true. However, I'm not entirely sure why you'd bother, even if it is true - I doubt you'll be able to get on the internet there, you won't be able to take books out, it's further away from both lecture theatres and accommodation than JRUL (UoM's library), and I believe JRUL is one of the biggest uni libraries in the country.
    Ah okay, I think building projects tend to excel in the Spring/Summer months, so we shall see. Wow, you rarely go to the library I would have thought at least once or twice a week would be required, especially for essay based subjects And yeah, the only reason I asked was if I needed to do work at 11pm or something do you have a laptop at uni? I can't decide what one I want, whether it's worth getting a Macbook or not, are they popular at Mancs?
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    (Original post by sarah1345)
    Ah okay, I think building projects tend to excel in the Spring/Summer months, so we shall see. Wow, you rarely go to the library I would have thought at least once or twice a week would be required, especially for essay based subjects And yeah, the only reason I asked was if I needed to do work at 11pm or something do you have a laptop at uni? I can't decide what one I want, whether it's worth getting a Macbook or not, are they popular at Mancs?

    Yeah, I just work in my room normally. Most of the readings are either (a) in one of the textbooks that you end up buying, or (b) online, so there's really minimal need to go to the library anyway. I usually go in there once or twice a week - I just have a couple of big gaps between lectures!

    You will definitely need a laptop at uni - I didn't have one for a week and it nearly drove me up the wall. I don't know much about laptops, but I don't really think it matters too much so long as it functions and can open powerpoints and write essays (you don't even need to use MS software for that - just get the free OpenOffice software, which is what I use).
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    (Original post by Origami Bullets)
    Yeah, I just work in my room normally. Most of the readings are either (a) in one of the textbooks that you end up buying, or (b) online, so there's really minimal need to go to the library anyway. I usually go in there once or twice a week - I just have a couple of big gaps between lectures!

    You will definitely need a laptop at uni - I didn't have one for a week and it nearly drove me up the wall. I don't know much about laptops, but I don't really think it matters too much so long as it functions and can open powerpoints and write essays (you don't even need to use MS software for that - just get the free OpenOffice software, which is what I use).
    Oh, I imagined every essay to be like coursework where you have to reference stuff. Will they set questions just like in A-level subjects, where a textbook will give you the answers and you just answer it, putting it in your own words etc. without needing to research all these different historians?
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    (Original post by sarah1345)
    Oh, I imagined every essay to be like coursework where you have to reference stuff. Will they set questions just like in A-level subjects, where a textbook will give you the answers and you just answer it, putting it in your own words etc. without needing to research all these different historians?
    Unfortunately, yes, each essay does require some fairly heavy referencing. On the upside, most of it can be done from
    - your textbook
    - Google Books
    - Google Scholar
    - JSTOR (online journals)
    - the citations at the bottom of wikipedia (you're not meant to, but it is very useful...)

    With regards to just rewording stuff . . . I wish! For tutorial tasks, you'll be drawing on various things that they have given you to read (they reckon 5 hours of prep per tutorial . . . which never happens), and then pulling them together into something more coherent.

    At least, this is what happens for my subject (Politics). Can't really say what it's like with History tbh.
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    (Original post by Origami Bullets)
    Unfortunately, yes, each essay does require some fairly heavy referencing. On the upside, most of it can be done from
    - your textbook
    - Google Books
    - Google Scholar
    - JSTOR (online journals)
    - the citations at the bottom of wikipedia (you're not meant to, but it is very useful...)

    With regards to just rewording stuff . . . I wish! For tutorial tasks, you'll be drawing on various things that they have given you to read (they reckon 5 hours of prep per tutorial . . . which never happens), and then pulling them together into something more coherent.

    At least, this is what happens for my subject (Politics). Can't really say what it's like with History tbh.
    I imagine it would be similar, perhaps not so much article based. I do Pol at A2 atm, and the only things we read are out of articles because it's usually up to date, not sure what politics is like at uni and how historical and scientific it gets but yeah. Damn, hope I don't find it too hard, really want to do the abroad semester in year 2, are you going on one/know others who are?
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    (Original post by sarah1345)
    I imagine it would be similar, perhaps not so much article based. I do Pol at A2 atm, and the only things we read are out of articles because it's usually up to date, not sure what politics is like at uni and how historical and scientific it gets but yeah. Damn, hope I don't find it too hard, really want to do the abroad semester in year 2, are you going on one/know others who are?
    Yeah, Politics is never really about current affairs at uni - whilst we might use things from the last 10 years as examples, most of it is based on theory and frameworks, with some case studies thrown in (e.g. doing the entirety of Russian history 1917-1991 in three hours - something which took us a year to achieve in GCSE history!). That said, having looked at the modules for subsequent years, it looks like it'll have more case studies, but still relatively little by way of current affairs.

    Anyway, that's of limited relevance to you - history is never really about current affairs (unless you're middle aged and complaining that your child is actually studying current affairs and not history when they're looking at Nixon, as happened to me at GCSE!)
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    (Original post by Origami Bullets)
    But I don't want to be too pessimistic about Fallowfield, for a number of reasons
    - If your son is coming with you, then I'm guessing you're going to be living in either Horniman or Linton House, where you'll be surrounded by likeminded people anyway.
    - Even if you're not bringing your son, you may be able to talk the accommodation office into letting you stay in PG accommodation, because you're a mature student. That will be much quieter, and much more work focused than UG accommodation.
    - The only real difference between Fallowfield & City is that City has far more internationals. Whilst internationals tend to be more work-focused than alcohol-focused, they're also often prone to staying in their own national groups. And the UK students will still be just as prone to going out as the ones in Fallowfield. Victoria Park has a reputation for being that bit quieter, but I've never quite worked out how true that is, and I've never had reason to go over there.
    - Intellectual conversations are mainly to be had in your tutorials. In all likelihood, you'll be living with people from other courses anyway. I struggle to hold an intellectual conversation about Jane Austen; they struggle to hold an intellectual conversation about Hobbes. No one's drunk 24/7, so you can always attempt to hold such conversations when everyone's sober!
    My son currently lives with his mother in Manchester (a 10 minute train journey or a 20-30 minute cycle away from city campus). My decision to apply for Manchester is based largely on my desire to be closer to my son and much more involved. I'm currently finishing the second year of a part time Biology A-Level in Bristol, which I embarked upon purely with the purpose of gaining an A so that I may study at UoM instead of MMU. I didn't choose the city (not that I don't love Manchester) but I am trying my best to choose the best uni of all 3. But anyway, I won't be using family accomodation as it will cost too much and I don't imagine I will be eligable (not full-time parent).

    It's not that I'm particularly adverse to the student social life, or that I wish to spend all of my time studying. But, yes I do want a 1st and no I cant really afford to be out drinking every night. I will want to spend a lot of time with my son but I hope that doesn't mean I can't make lots of friends and live the student life at least to some degree. I can drink (and enjoy it) and I like to dance, but I don't need to do that ALL the time.
    I wouldn't consider myself an 'intellectual' and I understand that intellectual discussions aren't for everyone and sometimes require a little too much effort for your average social gathering. But I take an open minded interest in ideas, whatever their source, and I gather that university will be the best place to meet people and share ideas. I'd rather do this over a coffee than a drink (where the best ideas shared are to drink more and vandalise something!) If I ever drink it will be with the purpose of relaxation and not inebriation. So I figure that the City campus is surely the best place to get coffee, visit museums, libraries, art galleries, cinemas and still be able to go out for the occassional drink.

    There is a small part of me which worries that I should really be prepared to join in to the fullest extent. But at the end of the day I'm not 18, I have a huge responsibility and I need to succeed at uni. All I want to know is that whether or not I fully join in I will still have PLENTY of opportunities to make friends. Given the large student population, I am going to assume that yes this will be possible... without living in Fallowfield. Also, I have lived with internationals for the last two years (German, Australian and New Zealand) and really enjoyed it, but I really will have no time for those who choose not to mix. Hopefully there are still plenty of internationals and non-internationals who will mix and are interesting people?

    (Original post by Origami Bullets)
    Learning Commons does look great, but I'll put money on it not being ready by September! Ah well, we've still got the library directly behind it to use in the meantime.
    The one thing that I cannot find out about this place is where it will be located?!? You would think they would provide this information somewhere on the internet.
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    (Original post by darwing)
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    My son currently lives with his mother in Manchester (a 10 minute train journey or a 20-30 minute cycle away from city campus). My decision to apply for Manchester is based largely on my desire to be closer to my son and much more involved. I'm currently finishing the second year of a part time Biology A-Level in Bristol, which I embarked upon purely with the purpose of gaining an A so that I may study at UoM instead of MMU. I didn't choose the city (not that I don't love Manchester) but I am trying my best to choose the best uni of all 3. But anyway, I won't be using family accomodation as it will cost too much and I don't imagine I will be eligable (not full-time parent).

    It's not that I'm particularly adverse to the student social life, or that I wish to spend all of my time studying. But, yes I do want a 1st and no I cant really afford to be out drinking every night. TBH, after the first couple of months, things calm down a lot anyway. I only go out about once a week on average, and I have a good social life, although much of it revolves around sport, which obviously requires more commitment than just drink I will want to spend a lot of time with my son but I hope that doesn't mean I can't make lots of friends and live the student life at least to some degree. I don't see why not, although you have to be aware that student accommodation tends not to be suitable for small children - you get broken glass, weed-smoking and flatmates that you couldn't trust with a pot plant, never mind near your son. I can drink (and enjoy it) and I like to dance, but I don't need to do that ALL the time.
    I wouldn't consider myself an 'intellectual' and I understand that intellectual discussions aren't for everyone and sometimes require a little too much effort for your average social gathering. But I take an open minded interest in ideas, whatever their source, and I gather that university will be the best place to meet people and share ideas. I'd rather do this over a coffee than a drink I actually reckon that the best time to do this is over a flat meal - they work quite well here, and most students can't afford to drink much coffee out anyway (where the best ideas shared are to drink more and vandalise something!) If I ever drink it will be with the purpose of relaxation and not inebriation. So I figure that the City campus is surely the best place to get coffee, visit museums, libraries, art galleries, cinemas and still be able to go out for the occassional drink. Yeah, there are more museums etc. in City, but at the same time Fallowfield is only another 10-15 mins by bike away from the city centre than uni is. Plus, there are places to go to get coffee in Fallowfield. We even have a Starbucks

    There is a small part of me which worries that I should really be prepared to join in to the fullest extent. But at the end of the day I'm not 18, I have a huge responsibility and I need to succeed at uni. All I want to know is that whether or not I fully join in I will still have PLENTY of opportunities to make friends. Yes, you'll make friends, but the more you join in, the more you'll make. If you want to make friends outside halls, then joining a society can be a good way to do it. Those will involve socials, but for the most part there aren't excessive numbers of them. Given the large student population, I am going to assume that yes this will be possible... without living in Fallowfield. Yes, it will be. I'm not trying to somehow pressure you into living in Fallowfield, just to make you see that it could be an option for you! Also, I have lived with internationals for the last two years (German, Australian and New Zealand) and really enjoyed it, but I really will have no time for those who choose not to mix. Hopefully there are still plenty of internationals and non-internationals who will mix and are interesting people? Unfortunately, the term "internationals" tends to mean those who stick to their own national groups; a bit of a special breed really. The Aussies / German / French / Uruguayans who really try to integrate don't tend to be seen as international, just because they are "one of us" (so to speak) and so there's not really the neeed to make any distinction. Certain ethnic groups e.g. the Chinese and Malaysians tend to stick together and not integrate, whereas others want to mix. The Chinese, Malaysians etc. live almost exclusively in City Campus. That's not to say that everyone who lives on City Campus is an international and determined not to integrate, but it is a very noticeable proportion. Many of the more integrating national groups e.g. the Americans will live in Fallowfield.

    I still think you'd do well to see if they'd let you live in postgrad accommodation, because you're a mature student.


    The one thing that I cannot find out about this place is where it will be located?!? You would think they would provide this information somewhere on the internet.
    In front of John Rylands University Library, on the main campus.
    http://www.library.manchester.ac.uk/...projects/aglc/
    http://www.manchester.ac.uk/medialib.../campusmap.pdf (the stripy building between building numbers 58 & 67
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    (Original post by scbond)
    Experience the city in the first year as you'll more than likely end up in Fallowfield, which isn't a great place if I'm telling the truth, in subsequent years.
    I live in city campus and I've been to fallowfield twice this year and it was to view houses, everyone I know from fallowfield seems to go into the city too? Maybe this year is an exception, I can't imagine fallowfield being anything more than pre drinks or a few pints, maybe it's because I enjoy clubbing and dancing like a t*** more haha.
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    (Original post by tillytots)
    I live in city campus and I've been to fallowfield twice this year and it was to view houses, everyone I know from fallowfield seems to go into the city too? Maybe this year is an exception, I can't imagine fallowfield being anything more than pre drinks or a few pints, maybe it's because I enjoy clubbing and dancing like a t*** more haha.
    I was just referring to living in Fallowfield...it's not the greatest sh*thole in Manchester but it still is one nonetheless.
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    (Original post by scbond)
    I was just referring to living in Fallowfield...it's not the greatest sh*thole in Manchester but it still is one nonetheless.
    So you're saying City over Fallowfield?
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    (Original post by sarah1345)
    So you're saying City over Fallowfield?
    Personally, yes. For the experience of the city at your doorstep, definitely. Usually Manchester and MMU students will live in halls for the first year and then move into Fallowfield and Rusholme in years two and three. I'm not putting Fallowfield down or anything because, as with most cities, the student areas tend to be not the best to keep costs down, but if I could put living there off for a year I certainly would lol. Then again, I'd personally also look at other areas than Fallowfield when sharing a house in subsequent years but that's probably just me.
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    (Original post by scbond)
    Personally, yes. For the experience of the city at your doorstep, definitely. Usually Manchester and MMU students will live in halls for the first year and then move into Fallowfield and Rusholme in years two and three. I'm not putting Fallowfield down or anything because, as with most cities, the student areas tend to be not the best to keep costs down, but if I could put living there off for a year I certainly would lol. Then again, I'd personally also look at other areas than Fallowfield when sharing a house in subsequent years but that's probably just me.
    See, I wanna be at the heart of the city too! But I want the least-international, cheap hall :/ But I've also got Oak House in Fallowfield, but Fallowfield is a bit out of the way :/
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    (Original post by sarah1345)
    See, I wanna be at the heart of the city too! But I want the least-international, cheap hall :/ But I've also got Oak House in Fallowfield, but Fallowfield is a bit out of the way :/
    20 mins door-to-door by bus to get to uni
    15 mins door-to-door (including bike-related faffing i.e. getting it out of the bike shed and locking it up again at the other end) by bike
    And another 10 mins on top of that to get to the city centre.
    Not that out of the way

    Sainsburys is on your doorstep, whereas people in city are largely stuck with small, overpriced convenience stores, or a trek to Sainsburys / Asda (Moss Side) with heavy groceries in tow.

    I try to avoid town - I find I just spend money if I go!
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    (Original post by Origami Bullets)
    20 mins door-to-door by bus to get to uni
    15 mins door-to-door (including bike-related faffing i.e. getting it out of the bike shed and locking it up again at the other end) by bike
    And another 10 mins on top of that to get to the city centre.
    Not that out of the way

    Sainsburys is on your doorstep, whereas people in city are largely stuck with small, overpriced convenience stores, or a trek to Sainsburys / Asda (Moss Side) with heavy groceries in tow.

    I try to avoid town - I find I just spend money if I go!
    Is Whitworth Park next to Moss Side? I dunno, I just anticipated being in the city centre, but Oak House is swaying me. but isn't Fallowfield quite a rough area? Also, what are the closest cheap halls to the clubs? My mate from Liverpool Uni lived in the heart of the city, and it was so cool, being a 5 minute walk from Lime Street
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    (Original post by sarah1345)
    Is Whitworth Park next to Moss Side? I dunno, I just anticipated being in the city centre, but Oak House is swaying me. but isn't Fallowfield quite a rough area? Also, what are the closest cheap halls to the clubs? My mate from Liverpool Uni lived in the heart of the city, and it was so cool, being a 5 minute walk from Lime Street
    Not really next to - relatively near, but all uni accommodation is relatively near Moss Side, and Moss Side isn't nearly as bad as people think - whilst still a bit rough, most of its reputation is based on what happened in the 80s. I have even (shock horror) walked through there - and survived! Anyway, you won't really have any reason to go to Moss Side (Asda being the only possible exception, and a few strange people choose to live there is 2nd / 3rd year) and so it won't really bother you.

    Fallowfield isn't rough - it's near by areas that aren't that great (Moss Side, Longsight, Levenshulme) but the area is almost exclusively populated by students, it's quite well policed, and the halls are constantly patrolled by university security. I've heard of the odd burglary, and there has been one serious violent attack on a student this year - but burglaries are commonplace in all student areas, and the one recent attack is so rare as to have shocked everyone. And with probably 30,000 students living in Fallowfield, there are incredibly small statistical chances of being attacked like that. Probably the most dangerous things you will do are eating a curry on the curry mile (dodgy food hygiene in some places) and - in all seriousness - cycling down the curry mile. (NB the curry mile is a section of Wilmslow Road between Fallowfield and Uni, so called because every other outlet is an Indian takeaway, and the rest are shops like "World of Islam". It's not a dodgy area - except for the behaviour of some drivers! Anyway, it's a colloquial name, and not on google maps). With the exception of nearly being killed whilst cycling along the curry mile more times than I care to count, but I've never actually felt threatened in any other way.

    As for the clubs - you're almost always going to end up getting a bus to go out, wherever you live. There are clubs in Deansgate, Printworks, Ancoats (Sankeys) and various other places dotted around the town centre. But you're not likely to want to walk such distances when you're drunk, even if you live in the city halls! There are a few smaller clubs within walking distance of the halls e.g. Twisted in Fallowfield and Jabez Clegg on city campus, but really there are no super-close halls. The buses are pretty much 24 hours (I think they stop at 4.30 and restart at 6am?) and very frequent. If you do get caught out in that hour and a half, then a shared taxi is only £2 or so, and the union is campaigning to get totally 24h buses.

    I'd suggest looking up these places on google maps - they're all marked, and it will give you a much better idea than my vague descriptions!

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