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Original post by GodspeedGehenna
Brb, discounting all opinions that I don't wish to believe.

Are you even at university? What experience do you have of the graduate market place?


That is irrelevant, You only have individual experience, you can't account for every single degree graduate out there.

And anyway, you are doing medicine, and how long did it take you to get that graduate offer?
... If you were struggling with a part time job at Tescos then I could see your point, a little bit, maybe.

The truth is OP, there are so many undergrads out there, that whatever degree you decide to take on, chances are there's going to be masses of competition afterwards. If your heart is on psychology, then don't let that deter you. If, however, it's just a course that interests you slightly, then maybe you should look for something else.
Original post by EffieFlowers
That is irrelevant, You only have individual experience, you can't account for every single degree graduate out there.

And anyway, you are doing medicine, and how long did it take you to get that graduate offer?


I'm basing my opinion on numerous career events, a lot of professional networking with psychologists and previous graduates as well as my own experience and the experience of my graduating cohort. You seem to be basing yours on idealistic university prospecti which are designed to sell university places.

I had my offer to study medicine shortly before I graduated. I don't see how that is relevant, though.
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Neggers negging because dey mad dey pay £20k to flip burgers at McDonalds.
I do know that the number of students for some courses, whether that trend continues across the board or not is to be seen, numbers have dropped drastically. I do believe that a lot may be put off by the £45K debt that 3 years of studying leaves you with (including maintenance and tuition).

Maybe when I apply for 2013 it might be a little less saturated than it is now. That might be just hopeful thinking though :smile:
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Original post by ExWunderkind
I do know that the number of students for some courses, whether that trend continues across the board or not is to be seen, numbers have dropped drastically. I do believe that a lot may be put off by the £45K debt that 3 years of studying leaves you with (including maintenance and tuition).

Maybe when I apply for 2013 it might be a little less saturated than it is now. That might be just hopeful thinking though :smile:


The numbers applying for the most competitive courses have however been pretty much as high as ever. There have been drops in some courses/areas but the number of students applying still generally exceed places available.

Re: your plans for getting a first and work experience. This is obviously the way to go and you are thinking corectly. However when they say psychology is competitive they mean REALLY competitive. Most people applying to further training in psychology have a first or a 2:1 and they will all have been doing voluntary work and trying to up their experience throughout the degree and then afterwards. If you look at the clearing house for clinical psychology courses for example you'll find the criteria applied to sorting through applicants by the universities that offer these courses. It is necessary to have a first or 2:1 in the first place to even apply, then in some cases they give preference to people with a PhD, they like to see at least two years work in the NHS in addition to voluntary experience and some kind of research record. There are usually many more applicants than places. Each university in the scheme offers about twelve places a year.

In educational psychology places are even more limited. Exeter for instance takes five students a year.

I'm not telling you this to put you off. As I said before I think you should go for it. However it would not be right to go into it all thinking a first and some work experience will necessarily make you stand out. It will be the minimum you need to proceed with the chartered routes into psychology and you will be up against many others with the same qualifications.

You need to make all your experience really count, use every summer break and volunteer during term time too if poss. (not to the detriment of your degree though) Its a shame you are stuck with going to a university near home which doesn't do a sandwich course or internships :frown: Hopefully you'll find enough quality work to overcome this.

Good luck :smile:
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Thank you Catoswyn.

You pretty much summed up my thoughts on the whole process. I'm not even due to start my access course until September but I have got myself a volunteer role with MIND and am looking at one for the Samaritans too.

I am determined to go far and I am prepared to do what it takes to achieve this. If people really feel a sandwich course is the way to go, I might just have to change my choice of Unis. Just when I thought I'd got my plan set in foundation too :P

I've found a Uni that offers a Sandwich course and it's Loughborough. I don't really know much about the Uni though, are you guys saying that it would be better to go to Loughborough and do a sandwich course than it would be to go to Nottingham? I think you are, hence Loughborough will now be my first choice. It would take my 50-1hr to get there as opposed to 30-40.
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Original post by ExWunderkind
Thank you Catoswyn.

You pretty much summed up my thoughts on the whole process. I'm not even due to start my access course until September but I have got myself a volunteer role with MIND and am looking at one for the Samaritans too.

I am determined to go far and I am prepared to do what it takes to achieve this. If people really feel a sandwich course is the way to go, I might just have to change my choice of Unis. Just when I thought I'd got my plan set in foundation too :P

I've found a Uni that offers a Sandwich course and it's Loughborough. I don't really know much about the Uni though, are you guys saying that it would be better to go to Loughborough and do a sandwich course than it would be to go to Nottingham? I think you are, hence Loughborough will now be my first choice. It would take my 50-1hr to get there as opposed to 30-40.


I know you're thinking well ahead which is brilliant! I don't know about Loughborough.. it is 25th in the Guardian subject league table compared to 15th for Nottingham. The main difference seems to be that Nottingham has 68% of its students in some kind of employment whereas Loughborough is only 44% The Loughborough degree is also called Social Psychology which is fine but might possibly be less useful later on if you were going for something like clinical. They do units like criminology which would be fine for Forensic Psych. but the lack of clinical options at undergrad level is a bit worrying. So overall though Loughborough sounds really interesting and could go on the UCAS form, Nottingham sounds the more solid/traditional course with a good reputation. I suppose the Notts reputation may outweigh the benefit of the Loughborough placement.. It really is swings and roundabouts though and you'll have time to visit and see what you think.

Where are you based? Are these your only two realistic universities?

:smile:
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I tend not to place much merit in the Guardian league table, having some knowledge in statistics :P

Loughborough definitely do a pure Psychology degree, as I would definitely not want to fall into the trap of specialising too early, which is why I have avoided even joint honours degrees.

http://www.lboro.ac.uk/departments/ssehs/undergraduate/programmes/psychology.html

Loughborough isn't a poor University by anyone's standards I don't think, the only thing that worried me was that Psychology came under the Sports, Exercise and Health faculty.

My 5 choices before today were Nottingham, Sheffield, Notts Trent, Sheffield Hallam and Lincoln.

Loughborough was the only course withing driving distance I could find. I live in Mansfield so Loughborough is just the other side of Nottingham so about 50 minutes. As it stands now I would say Loughborough, Nottingham, Sheffield, Notts Trent and Sheffield Hallam.
Original post by ExWunderkind
I tend not to place much merit in the Guardian league table, having some knowledge in statistics :P

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I completely ignore it too.

Q&S is Ok within the limitations of such lists.

Times a bit too focused on research, but i would use that for post grad.
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Original post by ExWunderkind
I tend not to place much merit in the Guardian league table, having some knowledge in statistics :P

Loughborough definitely do a pure Psychology degree, as I would definitely not want to fall into the trap of specialising too early, which is why I have avoided even joint honours degrees.

http://www.lboro.ac.uk/departments/ssehs/undergraduate/programmes/psychology.html

Loughborough isn't a poor University by anyone's standards I don't think, the only thing that worried me was that Psychology came under the Sports, Exercise and Health faculty.

My 5 choices before today were Nottingham, Sheffield, Notts Trent, Sheffield Hallam and Lincoln.

Loughborough was the only course withing driving distance I could find. I live in Mansfield so Loughborough is just the other side of Nottingham so about 50 minutes. As it stands now I would say Loughborough, Nottingham, Sheffield, Notts Trent and Sheffield Hallam.


Ah, found it, didn't see it somehow when I looked at Loughborough before, maybe because its in the sports section (Why?????? It doesn't sound like its focused on sport???? ) It sounds good doesn't it... Your five uni choices seem like a really good spread to me. There's some excellent departments and universities in there. I think Sheffield is probably the one that has the best rep. as a psychology department as such but that Loughborough sandwich course is tempting. I'd go and have a good look round at the universities over the summer... they usually have all their open days then. The way you're planning so far in advance means you've got time to sort them all out in terms of their 'house style' and which you think will be most useful.

Good luck
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I want to say thank you so much Catoswyn! You've given me so much helpful insight and advice. I want to plan this far in advance because I want to do well. I would hate to miss an opportunity because I didn't research things well enough.

So yeah I will go and have a look around, but your advice on the sandwich course has made that the way to go for me I think.

I'll let you know how I get on in a years time when I will be getting my Uni offers about now! Haha!
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Original post by ExWunderkind
I want to say thank you so much Catoswyn! You've given me so much helpful insight and advice. I want to plan this far in advance because I want to do well. I would hate to miss an opportunity because I didn't research things well enough.

So yeah I will go and have a look around, but your advice on the sandwich course has made that the way to go for me I think.

I'll let you know how I get on in a years time when I will be getting my Uni offers about now! Haha!


No problem... yes let me know how you get on. Wonderfully I'm sure. I'd be interested to know what you think about the different places when you visit them if you get a chance and have time later. By the way you need to press the 'quote' button when you reply to people or they don't know you've said anything to them. :smile:
Original post by ExWunderkind
I am currently awaiting entrance on to an Access course as I am a mature student, with a view to going on to read Psychology for September 2013.

However, after reading up as much as I can I understand what is expected of me on the Access course and going through to Uni - it's extremely competitive.

But everywhere I seem to look on this site, everyone is studying or going to study Psychology and it worries me that I will be at such a major disadvantage of being 32 when I graduate.

Is Psychology the most popular subject at the moment? Has it always been like this? Are there any other trends at work here such as students not realising what Psychology is like and changing their course shortly after joining?

I guess I was just set on what I wanted to study and am a little peturbed by the amount of others wanting to do the same subject and am now wondering whether I should have a re-think regards to this.

Any advice would be appreciated :biggrin:


The bonus you have as a mature student is that you know what you want to do after as you have experience of the job market. I think this helps when you graduate as your cohort want to travel, work in shops, drop out, be non motivated and fail to get jobs due to lack of maturity or instinct in the job market. The only thing I might suggest is that if you did want to go to do clinical psychology check out york and hull for psychology as they have a fast-stream into clinical straight from degree. (Courses with a years work experience doesn't really matter for a mature student)

goto nottingham for forensic... as you can make the contacts you need and if you want to be an ed-psych, you are already well advanced for that due to all your teaching experience!

I think places in the league tables mattering are myths also. Uni's are just businesses. You pay your money, turn up, listen, do some work and get a certificate in exchange.

When applying for uni and filling in the finance form make sure you have given any savings you have to family for safe keeping and stick big fat zero's in the boxes for how much you will be earning whilst at uni to ensure you get a big grant as opposed to a big loan as well as ticking that you will be 'away' from home even if you have your own home as its not your 'parents'.

Psychology's possibly the most transferable degree so you can use it for most things.
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I am a first year mature student in uni now and I worried as much as you did about getting into uni but i shouldnt have :-)

Unis love mature students they know your not going to be going out partying every night and will work :-)
Original post by El Scotto
The bonus you have as a mature student is that you know what you want to do after as you have experience of the job market. I think this helps when you graduate as your cohort want to travel, work in shops, drop out, be non motivated and fail to get jobs due to lack of maturity or instinct in the job market. The only thing I might suggest is that if you did want to go to do clinical psychology check out york and hull for psychology as they have a fast-stream into clinical straight from degree. (Courses with a years work experience doesn't really matter for a mature student)

goto nottingham for forensic... as you can make the contacts you need and if you want to be an ed-psych, you are already well advanced for that due to all your teaching experience!

I think places in the league tables mattering are myths also. Uni's are just businesses. You pay your money, turn up, listen, do some work and get a certificate in exchange.

When applying for uni and filling in the finance form make sure you have given any savings you have to family for safe keeping and stick big fat zero's in the boxes for how much you will be earning whilst at uni to ensure you get a big grant as opposed to a big loan as well as ticking that you will be 'away' from home even if you have your own home as its not your 'parents'.

Psychology's possibly the most transferable degree so you can use it for most things.



Thanks I very much appreciate your advice! I didn't know about York and Hull offering fast track for clinical - that's made me even more confused now but in a good way! I was very much set on staying local but I'm beginning to wonder now.
Original post by ExWunderkind
Thanks I very much appreciate your advice! I didn't know about York and Hull offering fast track for clinical - that's made me even more confused now but in a good way! I was very much set on staying local but I'm beginning to wonder now.


I only found out recently! I wish I knew back before I did my degree!
Original post by Nitebot
Personally, I wouldn't bother trying to chase a career in psychology. :biggrin: I’ve seen someone try and do it from close quarters and it's just so hard. The Prospects site says that the average age for getting on the 3 year clinical doctoral training programme is 26. So someone who started out at 18 could be 30 plus before they get their first professional job. Getting into educational psychology is even tougher as you’ll be up against teachers, who obviously have huge amounts of experience working with children. And of course there's so few jobs in the field in the first place. The vast majority of those doing psychology first degrees do not get a job in the field and have to use their degree to break into other careers such as HR or business.

But being older could be an advantage especially if you've already worked in say mental health care or with the prison service because you'll already have the extensive work experience that they usually require for the doctoral programme. If you don’t have that then it’s time to start putting together the experience. There’s always related alternatives such as social work or may be something in health care but even they are hard to get into now.


Why would you tell someone that. Social work is not really a related alternative to psychology. Oh dear oh dear.
Original post by GodspeedGehenna
I'm basing my opinion on numerous career events, a lot of professional networking with psychologists and previous graduates as well as my own experience and the experience of my graduating cohort. You seem to be basing yours on idealistic university prospecti which are designed to sell university places.

I had my offer to study medicine shortly before I graduated. I don't see how that is relevant, though.


this is so irrelevant, but I love your blog. And the nagging woman comment is hilarious.
Original post by forsaken_earth
this is so irrelevant,


But not as much as that ^ or the fact that you posted in this thread, within this forum full stop.
Original post by forsaken_earth
this is so irrelevant, but I love your blog. And the nagging woman comment is hilarious.


Cheers bro.

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