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    All the welfare reform schemes introduced by the Tories since they came to power (with the Libdems, of course) was designed to funnel money from the public purse into private pockets.

    Discuss.
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    There is no such thing as a public purse. There are only "private pockets" as you call them.
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    My welfare reform=end the welfare state.....simples. Meh, the tories aint doing enough.
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    (Original post by Martyn*)
    All the welfare reform schemes introduced by the Tories since they came to power (with the Libdems, of course) was designed to funnel money from the public purse into private pockets.

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    Nope.

    All the pension changes are are quite the opposite.
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    All the Tories will do is destroy the welfare system. This is not a good thing, as it will leave the genuinely disabled, poor, elderly and young - amongst the most vulnerable in our society even more vulnerable than ever. The Tories will just turn our economy into a free market, populist, privitized and de-regulated mess!
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    (Original post by Ben Butler)
    All the Tories will do is destroy the welfare system. This is not a good thing, as it will leave the genuinely disabled, poor, elderly and young - amongst the most vulnerable in our society even more vulnerable than ever. The Tories will just turn our economy into a free market, populist, privitized and de-regulated mess!
    Alas, another believer in the rather tiring stereotype "the Conservatives make the rich richer, and the poor poorer".

    Do you have any evidence for those claims?
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    (Original post by Iron Lady)
    Alas, another believer in the rather tiring stereotype "the Conservatives make the rich richer, and the poor poorer".

    Do you have any evidence for those claims?
    It's not just the Tories, it's both neoliberal parties.




    And the disparity is even worse if you compare the top 10%, and top 1% to the rest of us.
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    (Original post by creak)
    It's not just the Tories, it's both neoliberal parties.




    And the disparity is even worse if you compare the top 10%, and top 1% to the rest of us.
    Inequality doesn't matter.
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    (Original post by usainlightning)
    Inequality doesn't matter.
    Only if you're the kind of halfwit freak who thinks that no one has cause for complaint until they're living in conditions approximating the DRC's heartlands. Because only absolute poverty matters, right?
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    (Original post by usainlightning)
    Inequality doesn't matter.
    It absolutely does if it leads to inequality of opportunity
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    (Original post by creak)
    Only if you're the kind of halfwit freak who thinks that no one has cause for complaint until they're living in conditions approximating the DRC's heartlands. Because only absolute poverty matters, right?
    The inequality arguement is used by jealous socialist types to have a dig at capitalism when in fact they are only hiding their own bitterness.
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    (Original post by sclez1)
    It absolutely does if it leads to inequality of opportunity
    Inequality of oppurtunity is driven by differing levels in the quality of parenthood. Why for instance are Chinese children 3 times more likely to get 5 good GCSE's than their white counterparts even though the parents are in the same income band?
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    (Original post by usainlightning)
    The inequality arguement is used by jealous socialist types to have a dig at capitalism when in fact they are only hiding their own bitterness.
    lmao.

    yeh...just like the slaves in the south were just bitter, jealous of their masters. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by usainlightning)
    Inequality of oppurtunity is driven by differing levels in the quality of parenthood. Why for instance are Chinese children 3 times more likely to get 5 good GCSE's than their white counterparts even though the parents are in the same income band?
    I wasn't aware that people chose their parents.
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    (Original post by usainlightning)
    The inequality arguement is used by jealous socialist types to have a dig at capitalism when in fact they are only hiding their own bitterness.
    You're a real poster-boy for the right, keep it up.
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    (Original post by usainlightning)
    Inequality of oppurtunity is driven by differing levels in the quality of parenthood. Why for instance are Chinese children 3 times more likely to get 5 good GCSE's than their white counterparts even though the parents are in the same income band?
    So you're saying income is completely irrelevant? I agree that it's only one factor, but it's undeniable that a student from a poor background is more likely to be disadvantaged. This may be the parenting, the money available or both, but if richer students are in an advantageous position (they are) then the inequality that's led to this must be a cause.
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    (Original post by Bonged.)
    I wasn't aware that people chose their parents.
    My point was that capitalism doesn't drive inequality of oppurtunity, relative to socialism.
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    (Original post by usainlightning)
    My point was that capitalism doesn't drive inequality of oppurtunity, relative to socialism.
    Erm.. that's precisely what capitalism produces and thrives on.
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    (Original post by sclez1)
    So you're saying income is completely irrelevant? I agree that it's only one factor, but it's undeniable that a student from a poor background is more likely to be disadvantaged. This may be the parenting, the money available or both, but if richer students are in an advantageous position (they are) then the inequality that's led to this must be a cause.
    Money can really only give you an advantage in terms of education if you are one of the 7% that go to private schools. Rather than abolishing a highly performing section of our education system it is vital that we bring state schools up to scratch. if that means investing more public money, so be it.

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