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    if you were a christian, jew etc how would you like it if people started torching your holy scriptures? the original bible perhaps? maybe a church ... thats what its like to them so yes i'd say theyre justified to be slightly miffed ... especially as its an illegal hostile occupying force disrespecting their religion...
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    (Original post by Rat_Bag)
    Of course it is idolatry. Is the paper and the ink holy?
    We don't worship the book...?
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    (Original post by whyumadtho)
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    A gravestone is private property.
    People other than the purchaser have a relationship with the gravestone, and would not want to see it desecrated.
    They may not want, but they have no right to what happens to the gravestone.

    Just as people in New York have a relationship with Ground Zero, and don't want to see it desecrated by the erection of a mosque. Sorry, but if a Muslim foundation had purchased the land, they can do what they like with it, and that includes building a mosque.

    Do you realise that if you extend your principles to everybody in society, anybody (person A) can stop anybody (person B) doing something just because person A doesn't want person B to do it.

    (Original post by whyumadtho)
    (Original post by Rat_Bag)
    Maybe it isn't viewed as such, but it is. Muslims have every right to burn it if they want to.
    Which will outrage other people who have a connection with that object and its symbolism.
    Sure they can be outraged, that is their prerogative. But preventing people doing it, no, and punishing people that do it, no.

    (Original post by whyumadtho)
    (Original post by Rat_Bag)
    Maybe it isn't viewed as such, but it is. Anybody has every right to burn it if they want to.
    The point is that it isn't viewed as such; I am explaining the outrage over the burning of what the OP considers 'just a book'.
    So they are outraged. Let them be. They have no right to stop others doing what they don't like, and they have no right to punish them either.

    (Original post by whyumadtho)
    (Original post by Rat_Bag)
    Do you oppose people burning flags? Burning effigies? Burning wood?
    I don't see the value of intentionally offending groups of people.
    You don't, but others might. Who are you to impose your values on others? Burning flags and effigies makes a political point does it not?

    (Original post by whyumadtho)
    Wood has other purposes.
    Just like paper, which interestingly is what these Muslims seem to be getting so upset about.

    (Original post by whyumadtho)
    (Original post by Rat_Bag)
    Isn't cutting down a tree an act of desecration to followers of Paganism?
    Probably, but it is somewhat unavoidable.
    Not it's not. There are alternatives.

    (Original post by whyumadtho)
    There is no reason to burn a Quran specifically.
    Disposal of waste, warmth... could go on.....

    (Original post by whyumadtho)
    (Original post by Rat_Bag)
    A gravestone is private property that has been purchased. It is at the owners discretion (and his/hers alone) what is done/not done to his own property.

    A Qur'an or a poppy has been purchased by an individual and is their property. If they want to burn it, it's is their discretion, and theirs alone.
    That doesn't discount the external affinities people have with (a) particular item(s).
    True, but does that give people the right to dictate what others do with that particular item (held as private property by somebody else), and punish them if they use it in a way they don't agree with?
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    (Original post by Rat_Bag)
    So Mohammad was behaving wrongly when he smashed up the pagan's idols in Mecca? Better find yourself another religion mate
    The house of Allah had to be cleared.
    But gd point u made there. And no sorry others religion aren't right.
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    (Original post by Rat_Bag)
    Are you equating killing a person with burning paper?

    Is not cutting down a tree an act of desecration to pagans?



    You respect the resultant killing of humans?
    (Original post by Rat_Bag)
    Conversely, where is your evidence that it was done on purpose?



    But they don't believe any of this, so why should they be forced to submit to the beliefs of Muslims?

    Was Mohammad and his companions respecting the beliefs of Pagans when they smashed up their idols in Mecca?



    It needs "protection"?
    (Original post by Rat_Bag)
    Happy people are being killed?



    Oh, the people who burnt the Qur'ans have been identified have they? And the mob has targeted those specific people?



    What about smashing up other religions' idols?
    Do you ever answer the question, or always avoid it with another pointless question?


    (Original post by Rat_Bag)
    Of course it is idolatry. Is the paper and the ink holy?
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    (Original post by whyumadtho)
    It's not a question of 'should', as the logic of 'should' necessitates a perfect, rational environment, which is not the case in actuality. 'Do the costs of my action outweigh the benefits?', is the sensible approach to this, regardless of whether or not freedom of expression 'should' be universally respected.
    No everybody is a utilitarian. Does the cost of killing 1 healthy innocent man and have his organs harvested that provides life for 5 other men means it should be done? I mean the cost is 1 death and the benefit is 5 lives.

    (Original post by whyumadtho)
    A person wouldn't walk past a gang in an alleyway at night with their phone and jewellery on ostentatious display because they 'should' be able to do so without being robbed, because the world is not rational and respectful of such logic, and people must adapt accordingly.
    So you acknowledge that these Muslims in Afghanistan are just lawless thugs?
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    At the end of the day, yes, of course its a pathetic over reaction. The religion itself is very peaceful, you have to remember that many Arabic countries are still widely backwards in terms of education. So its not the religion itself I don't think.

    Back in the day, Christianity used to be similar if not worst.

    Either way, particle physics ♥
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    (Original post by Three Mile Sprint)
    Of course they do.

    It's disrespectful, and potentially very stupid given the normal Muslim reaction.
    It's normal for Muslim to kill?

    (Original post by Three Mile Sprint)
    But they have the right in there respective countries.
    So it's not a universal right?

    (Original post by Three Mile Sprint)
    Except the Qur'an is not a mere "Inanimate object" it is the Word of God.
    It is an inanimate object. It has no God like characteristics. If you believe it does, then you are an idolater, and better find yourself a new religion (quick)

    (Original post by Three Mile Sprint)
    If you could Burn Sound Muslims would get equally upset if you burned the sound of the Qur'an, if you were Reciting the Qur'an and put insults and expletives into it's verses the Muslim world would be "enraged".
    I don't deny many Muslims would get upset/enraged. Most Muslims don't follow Islam, they are quite happy to revert to pre-Islamic idolatry in the form of reverence, adoration and devotion to an inanimate object. It's a very human thing to do.

    (Original post by Three Mile Sprint)
    If you burn even the "ink" of which the Qur'an is penned then you assault not a book, not paper, but the word of God.
    The ink is God like?

    (Original post by Three Mile Sprint)
    It's not the paper , the ink, or the book we care about.
    It's the Word of God, and that has meaning, that has value.
    So if you burn a book, are you destroying the Word of God. Yes or no?
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    (Original post by cl_steele)
    if you were a christian, jew etc how would you like it if people started torching your holy scriptures? the original bible perhaps? maybe a church ... thats what its like to them so yes i'd say theyre justified to be slightly miffed ...
    Everybody has the right to be offended. Nobody has the right to prevent others from offending them though, nor punishing those that have caused offence.

    (Original post by cl_steele)
    especially as its an illegal hostile occupying force disrespecting their religion...
    True. Salt on the wounds.......
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    (Original post by sachinisgod)
    But saudi says their rules and laws are based on Sharia law. So what u r saying is Sharia flawed and backward if Saudis are backward?

    Who does one believe? The saudis or muslims elsewhere. If your point is true, why there isnt worldwide condemnation for Saudi Arabia by all muslims if they are not following the Qu'ran properly and supposedley giving muslims a bad name?
    Research islam and if what the Qur'an says differs from sharia then you the shariah is wrong. Inturn some saudi laws are wrong then.
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    (Original post by Study)
    We don't worship the book...?
    So what's all the noise about then?
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    (Original post by Study)
    The house of Allah had to be cleared.
    But gd point u made there. And no sorry others religion aren't right.
    So you believe it's okay for Muslims to desecrate symbols of other religions, but not okay for people to desecrate the symbols of Islam?
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    (Original post by NuckingFut)
    Do you ever answer the question, or always avoid it with another pointless question?
    What question is being addressed to me exactly?

    Do you know how to post?
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    (Original post by Rat_Bag)
    So what's all the noise about then?
    American soldiers burning the word of God in hatred>?
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    Very reminiscent of what Nazi Germany did to books authored by Jews- burn them.

    That isn't helped by the fact that US Marines decided to pose with a logo resembling a notorious Nazi symbol, the "SS" flag.

    Whenever controversises emerge in this part of the world:
    A senior makes an apology - a light slap on the wrist as per usual- another month-another controversy and cycle repeats.
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    (Original post by Shabalala)
    it's a FACT that Islam breeds far more terrorists and nutters than any other religion
    Got any facts to back that up?
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    (Original post by Study)
    Research islam and if what the Qur'an says differs from sharia then you the shariah is wrong. Inturn some saudi laws are wrong then.
    Sorry dont have time. Got better things to do.
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    im sure some brits would go nuts if someone wipes their ass with the union jack
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    (Original post by Study)
    American soldiers burning the word of God in hatred>?
    Did they?
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    (Original post by swissking)
    im sure some brits would go nuts if someone wipes their ass with the union jack
    I am sure too. Probably BNP-voting ones being at the front of any blood-thirsty mob.........

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